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[Daemon300]

I agree. I had no bugs/glitches whatsoever in the real game, but Awakenings is a nightmare.

[Geiyu]

Drewbahr wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

I have no idea WHAT you people are talking about. I have the 360 version, and I've NEVER had a problem beating it. Actually, I've never had any problems at all with it. Their latest DLC, Darkspawn Chronicles, was a little glitchy.(My ogre got stuck and I had to reload my autosave.) But otherwise...there have been no problems. Though I DO wish there was no character limit.

Then consider yourself quite lucky that Bioware's horrifically glitched piece of **** game didn't completely **** over your freetime.  The rest of us over the past six months have had other experiences.

Is it that same bug I read about a few months back that keeps you from progressing if you try to do both Vartag's quest and...uh...what's his name's quest to see Bhelen and Harrowmont?

[13Dannyboy13]

Geiyu wrote...

Drewbahr wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

I have no idea WHAT you people are talking about. I have the 360 version, and I've NEVER had a problem beating it. Actually, I've never had any problems at all with it. Their latest DLC, Darkspawn Chronicles, was a little glitchy.(My ogre got stuck and I had to reload my autosave.) But otherwise...there have been no problems. Though I DO wish there was no character limit.

Then consider yourself quite lucky that Bioware's horrifically glitched piece of **** game didn't completely **** over your freetime.  The rest of us over the past six months have had other experiences.

Is it that same bug I read about a few months back that keeps you from progressing if you try to do both Vartag's quest and...uh...what's his name's quest to see Bhelen and Harrowmont?

Playing both sides can ruin your character because you get caught in an endless loop where neither will give you the next quest, meaning you can never finish the game, then there's save corruption, which can ruin every single save for all characters. Also saving in certain areas/events seems to be very buggy, like the fade or landsmeet, dex has been broken since day one on xbox, and it's a very minor tweak that we STILL don't have, missing quests, missing quest rewards, glitched endings......there are really too many to count, some major, some minor, but all ignored for the last seven, almost eight months. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, if you don't know about the corruption bug you should really read the thread, it will give you some workaround ideas.

[Drewbahr]

Good post Dannyboy. Too bad the mouth-breathing illiterate donkey****ers at Bioware and EA won't respond.

[Serenade]

The fix we get is tweaks with the gameplay and preparations to new DLCs? Wtf happend here? what about the "major" problems with the game? you know... the ones that actually prevent people to play your game. And not to mention the obvious ones.

its been 7 months now?

Modifié par Master Bandit, 31 mai 2010 - 01:30 .

[Geiyu]

Interesting. There's something to consider too though...what if some(or even any) of those bugs, they can't replicate? It's hard to fix something you can't find. And I have never had even one of those problems before. Seems ridiculous to say that, and I'm not looking for ways to defend them, but there is a chance that they can't find any of these bugs.



Think of it like a car. Someone brings their car to you, and says that the steering wheel spins wildly out of control anytime they turn it on. So, you turn it on, and nothing happens. You keep trying for days, and can't replicate this problem...you return it to them thinking it fixed itself, and they bring it right back saying you didn't fix it, and it's still doing it. How do you fix it? You can't make it happen, and when you take apart, there's nothing wrong. If you start messing with the things inside, you might actually make it worse, simply because you can't figure out what needs to be fixed.



Games are complex lines of code all compiled together...hundreds...thousands...millions even. Sometimes, one code can **** up for something else, and negatively affect three other things in the process, but those three other things won't be the source of the problem, so fixing them doesn't solve the problem. So...perhaps that is the case. Perhaps, so far, they have been unable to replicate these bugs, and therefore, cannot fix them.



And since some have experienced all of these problems, and some have never had a single problem, and some have had only minor problems, while some have only had major problems...you can't definitively say whether or not they "should" have been able to replicate them by now.

[Serenade]

If thats the case Geiyu, maybe Bioware should let us know? If they are not saying anything, we cant know, can we? If they programed the game from the start up they should know how to patch things up to. If it takes time, fine, but they dont say anything, thats the major problem here, communication.

And not to mention that, like the dexterity bug, was fixed on the PC pretty fast. So this is just lazyness. Its obvious that they give a F about their ports (X360 and PS3), and Awakening was a rushed project, oozing with flaws that should be fixed in the same week the game camed out, like wrong textures on certain armors and weapons and a tatoo on characters forheads, strange numbers appearing on the screen and broken quests.

Modifié par Master Bandit, 31 mai 2010 - 11:32 .

[13Dannyboy13]

Actually most of the bugs mentioned in my previous post are very easy to repeat. For the orzamaar bug just play both sides, for save corruption there are a few ways to do it, overload a merchant, 540 items is the max I believe, overloading the chest at warden's peak is another way, and I think too many saves is also one. Dex bug is easy to spot, and they've known about that one since day one, as for the missing quests and rewards those are easily spotted, Jowan's quest never appears on the map, nor is found as a random encounter, missing items from the shaperate quests never show up even when you've finished them. Most of the bugs are easily repeatable and people have gone to great effort to reproduce them in detailed posts, but still almost eight months later we have no fixes, just more dlc, and pre-dlc patches.

By this point I'm guessing that almost no resources at all are being used to fix the game, it's probably one guy, while everyone else is rushing out ME3 ,DA2, ToR etc. the fact that this long after release they can't even give us some minor fixes really says a lot about their attitude in terms of support.

They have our money from buying the game and now they're on to the next game, with some dlc tossed in here and there to get even more of our money, if they really wanted to they could've fixed many of the bugs by now, but the fact is they just don't care, EA is well known for this kind of thing and since they own Bioware it will be the exact same thing with their games now. That's the problem with huge companies, they only care about the profits they can make and will cut corners to make even a few extra dollars. The bottom line is patches and fixes cost money, rushed out expansions and dlc will still be bought by fanboys and people who haven't hit, or don't know yet about many of the bugs, so even with a lot of people upset about their lack of support they will still make a profit. Since they can still make money while doing absolutely nothing to fix the game, they have no real incentive to spend anything on support, they can focus on PR to give us their usual lies about fixes while pushing their latest dlc.

[Drewbahr]

Geiyu wrote...

And since some have experienced all of these problems, and some have never had a single problem, and some have had only minor problems, while some have only had major problems...you can't definitively say whether or not they "should" have been able to replicate them by now.

It's been eight months.  The myriad bugs have been explained, demonstrated on how to replicate, and many of them have existed since the game was released.  The DEX bug may not necessarily be a simple fix, but the fact that you can corrupt EVERY save file you make by simply SAVING a lot?  That bug should never have made it past their quality control.

Oh wait, this is Bioware and EA, they don't care about quality.

[Geiyu]

Drewbahr wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

And since some have experienced all of these problems, and some have never had a single problem, and some have had only minor problems, while some have only had major problems...you can't definitively say whether or not they "should" have been able to replicate them by now.

It's been eight months.  The myriad bugs have been explained, demonstrated on how to replicate, and many of them have existed since the game was released.  The DEX bug may not necessarily be a simple fix, but the fact that you can corrupt EVERY save file you make by simply SAVING a lot?  That bug should never have made it past their quality control.

Oh wait, this is Bioware and EA, they don't care about quality.

Indeed, save corruption is something that should never have slipped by, so there's really no excuse for that one. But, even when you explain what the bug is, and explain/demonstrate how to replicate it, doesn't mean it can always be done. Some of these bugs I've attempted to replicate, and only one was successfully replicated. The one for trying to do both quests to see Bhelen and Harrowmont at the same time...but that one can be avoided, so it's a rather insignificant game-breaker on the scale.

I have no doubts that there are a great many bugs they need to fix...but I always give the benefit of the doubt to the company. Kind of have to these days. Games are more complex, and there aren't any companies like Interplay anymore. I hope they finally do fix all of these bugs, because the game is excellent, for sure.

[Serenade]

If a patch takes time they should let us know. I feel left alone in the dark with a half finished and broken game in my hands which i paid full price for. Is this right? of course not. If they just could keep us posted once every week about the title updated and what we can expect to see be fixed, i would be happy.

[Drewbahr]

Geiyu wrote...

Drewbahr wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

And since some have experienced all of these problems, and some have never had a single problem, and some have had only minor problems, while some have only had major problems...you can't definitively say whether or not they "should" have been able to replicate them by now.

It's been eight months.  The myriad bugs have been explained, demonstrated on how to replicate, and many of them have existed since the game was released.  The DEX bug may not necessarily be a simple fix, but the fact that you can corrupt EVERY save file you make by simply SAVING a lot?  That bug should never have made it past their quality control.

Oh wait, this is Bioware and EA, they don't care about quality.

Indeed, save corruption is something that should never have slipped by, so there's really no excuse for that one. But, even when you explain what the bug is, and explain/demonstrate how to replicate it, doesn't mean it can always be done. Some of these bugs I've attempted to replicate, and only one was successfully replicated. The one for trying to do both quests to see Bhelen and Harrowmont at the same time...but that one can be avoided, so it's a rather insignificant game-breaker on the scale.

I have no doubts that there are a great many bugs they need to fix...but I always give the benefit of the doubt to the company. Kind of have to these days. Games are more complex, and there aren't any companies like Interplay anymore. I hope they finally do fix all of these bugs, because the game is excellent, for sure.

Why give them the benefit of the doubt?  Haven't you read ANY of these threads?  All of the bugs are VERY easy to replicate - you simply need to sell enough items to one merchant in a game in order to corrupt that save file, and create enough save files and you'll corrupt them all.  Both are QUITE easy to replicate.  As for the Harrowmont/Bhelen bug, it can be avoided but it's not insignificant whatsoever, considering you (if you're like me) may do the Orzammar chain last.  The fact that you can be 30-40 hours into a game and lose your file simply because you tried doing two quests is bull****.

The bugs may not be easy to fix, but we - the consumers who pay THEIR bills - deserve more than a "we'll look into it" from five months ago.  We deserve an update at the very ****ing least.

Also, you're giving the benefit of the doubt to the company?  And not your fellow consumers who are getting ****ed in the ass by them?  Really?

[Arttis]

i have yet to have a damaged save....ive seen many bugs too many to count*btw wedding clothes you get in city elf origin if you put them on sten they arent colored in...i said this like 5 months ago but il say it again*You might need to make sure your harddrive isnt damaged or has anything its not suppose to have on it.*like hacks or something /idk

[Geiyu]

Drewbahr wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

Drewbahr wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

And since some have experienced all of these problems, and some have never had a single problem, and some have had only minor problems, while some have only had major problems...you can't definitively say whether or not they "should" have been able to replicate them by now.

It's been eight months.  The myriad bugs have been explained, demonstrated on how to replicate, and many of them have existed since the game was released.  The DEX bug may not necessarily be a simple fix, but the fact that you can corrupt EVERY save file you make by simply SAVING a lot?  That bug should never have made it past their quality control.

Oh wait, this is Bioware and EA, they don't care about quality.

Indeed, save corruption is something that should never have slipped by, so there's really no excuse for that one. But, even when you explain what the bug is, and explain/demonstrate how to replicate it, doesn't mean it can always be done. Some of these bugs I've attempted to replicate, and only one was successfully replicated. The one for trying to do both quests to see Bhelen and Harrowmont at the same time...but that one can be avoided, so it's a rather insignificant game-breaker on the scale.

I have no doubts that there are a great many bugs they need to fix...but I always give the benefit of the doubt to the company. Kind of have to these days. Games are more complex, and there aren't any companies like Interplay anymore. I hope they finally do fix all of these bugs, because the game is excellent, for sure.

Why give them the benefit of the doubt?  Haven't you read ANY of these threads?  All of the bugs are VERY easy to replicate - you simply need to sell enough items to one merchant in a game in order to corrupt that save file, and create enough save files and you'll corrupt them all.  Both are QUITE easy to replicate.  As for the Harrowmont/Bhelen bug, it can be avoided but it's not insignificant whatsoever, considering you (if you're like me) may do the Orzammar chain last.  The fact that you can be 30-40 hours into a game and lose your file simply because you tried doing two quests is bull****.

The bugs may not be easy to fix, but we - the consumers who pay THEIR bills - deserve more than a "we'll look into it" from five months ago.  We deserve an update at the very ****ing least.

Also, you're giving the benefit of the doubt to the company?  And not your fellow consumers who are getting ****ed in the ass by them?  Really?

Why would I have to give the consumer the benefit of the doubt when I've clearly stated that I believe there are plenty of bugs to be fixed, and that you all have experienced them. I have merely said that I was unable to replicate these problems myself and said that it's plausible that they can't either.

Jumping on my case, when I'm not against you in the first place, doesn't help you look very good. In fact, that will make the company doubt your own sincerity. Yes, we do deserve an update, and I think they should definitely have fixed any corruption issues that may have arisen...but at the same time, I have the same game, Dragon Age: Origins for the XBOX 360, and I have never had a problem, nor can I replicate these bugs...despite how easy they are to replicate. However mine is the collector's edition, so maybe being a collector's edition made it impervious to glitches...but I'm doubting that.

However, Arttis made a fairly decent point. I might suggest cleaning the cache of your hard drive...or maybe getting a new one and testing to see if it has any problems...if not...this explosive anger would indeed be misdirected.

[Branji]

Geiyu: are you clueless? Most of the bugs have been fixed by modmakers. Modmakers, not Bioware. If they can do it, then there is NO excuse for Bioware to have not fixed the game by now. None.

[PandemicFear]

This is why we can't have nice things. =(

[Drewbahr]

Arttis wrote...

i have yet to have a damaged save....ive seen many bugs too many to count*btw wedding clothes you get in city elf origin if you put them on sten they arent colored in...i said this like 5 months ago but il say it again*You might need to make sure your harddrive isnt damaged or has anything its not suppose to have on it.*like hacks or something /idk

My hard drive is fine.  The only game that is "damaged" is Dragon Age: Origins, in precisely the manner that has been outlined on these forums by many other posters other than myself, over the past seven months.  The problem is NOT on my end, but rather due to a ****ty product produced by a ****ty company with ****ty customer service.

And Geiyu, there is little to no point in arguing with your rampant blindness further.  I've made my case, and you've chosen to side with the company instead.  You're worthless to this debate and as such, can go back to enjoying your ****ty products.  I'll continue to be a snotty little ass so that maybe, if some moderator comes along to ban me, at least ONE person with some semblance of power in the matter will have actually READ something relating to these problems.

[Geiyu]

Okay, so I've been nice long enough. Get the **** over yourselves. You're right, the company DOESN'T care about you, because you're so irrationally ****ing stupid that you LITERALLY think you're getting somewhere doing this. YOUR PROTEST ISN"T EVEN A DROP IN THE BUCKET ***HOLE! They won't miss your nickels and dimes, now shut the **** up, and go play the computer version if you don't like the 360 version.

I tried to treat you like rational human beings, but it's obvious from the attacks on me for no reason that you're NOT rational human beings, you're ravening morons who don't deserve to be treated like proper customers. GROW THE **** UP.

And just to be that much more of a ******. I'm going to go play my Dragon Age: Origins, which works perfectly, and laugh at your inability to complete your game. Ha-ha-ha. Have fun whining about a game that doesn't work, ass-bag.

And one more punch in the nuts for you, I hope they DON'T fix these obviously imaginary problems. Yeah, **** you. I just called you all out on your lame ass lies. Clearly there are no bugs because my game works perfect, and they haven't fixed them. You WANT me to side with the corporate machine? Success, retard. I just did. Now I'm COMPLETELY against your cause, as opposed to supporting your needs, and hoping you'd be rational about your arguments instead of acting infantile about them. Wanna know how you lose and BioWare wins? They still have your money, jack-off. lol

Modifié par Geiyu, 01 juin 2010 - 11:08 .

[Daemon300]

Here we go...

[Drewbahr]

Gotta love it when people who try to act high 'n mighty get their knickers in a bunch simply because they're wrong. It'd be great if we could see such passion from Bioware/EA. But alas, we'll be stuck with a glitched game forever methinks.



Oh, and Geiyu? I've cleared the game twice. I know how to avoid the glitches. The fact that the game-breaking glitches exist at all, have been shown by the customers, shown how to be repeated by the customers, and (on the PC version at least) have been custom modded by the customers so that they are repaired - simply reeks of incompetence and ignorance on the part of Bioware's quality control.



But hey, keep on pretending you're better than me if that'll make you sleep better at night.

[BrianWilly]

Man, seven months without a single patch?  That's ****ing hilarious.  To be honest, I've long since given up and just went on to play other games.

Geiyu wrote...

Okay, so I've been nice long enough. Get the **** over yourselves. You're right, the company DOESN'T care about you, because you're so irrationally ****ing stupid that you LITERALLY think you're getting somewhere doing this. YOUR PROTEST ISN"T EVEN A DROP IN THE BUCKET ***HOLE! They won't miss your nickels and dimes, now shut the **** up, and go play the computer version if you don't like the 360 version.

I tried to treat you like rational human beings, but it's obvious from the attacks on me for no reason that you're NOT rational human beings, you're ravening morons who don't deserve to be treated like proper customers. GROW THE **** UP.

And just to be that much more of a ******. I'm going to go play my Dragon Age: Origins, which works perfectly, and laugh at your inability to complete your game. Ha-ha-ha. Have fun whining about a game that doesn't work, ass-bag.

And one more punch in the nuts for you, I hope they DON'T fix these obviously imaginary problems. Yeah, **** you. I just called you all out on your lame ass lies. Clearly there are no bugs because my game works perfect, and they haven't fixed them. You WANT me to side with the corporate machine? Success, retard. I just did. Now I'm COMPLETELY against your cause, as opposed to supporting your needs, and hoping you'd be rational about your arguments instead of acting infantile about them. Wanna know how you lose and BioWare wins? They still have your money, jack-off. lol

Gee, you angry or something?  Someone got butt-hurt real quick.

I don't even understand what "give them the benefit of the doubt" is supposed to mean, other than some repeated catchphrase that's somehow magically supposed to make the problem go away.  We've given them the benefit of the doubt.  Seven months without a single fix is the very definition of having received the benefit of the doubt and then squandering it.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 02 juin 2010 - 08:31 .

[Arttis]

Best i can tell you guys.

They do not care enough.

We payed already.

Complaining may not lead to anything but us wasting our time.

Spend your money wisely and good day.

[13Dannyboy13]

Geiyu wrote...

Okay, so I've been nice long enough. Get the **** over yourselves. You're right, the company DOESN'T care about you, because you're so irrationally ****ing stupid that you LITERALLY think you're getting somewhere doing this. YOUR PROTEST ISN"T EVEN A DROP IN THE BUCKET ***HOLE! They won't miss your nickels and dimes, now shut the **** up, and go play the computer version if you don't like the 360 version.

I tried to treat you like rational human beings, but it's obvious from the attacks on me for no reason that you're NOT rational human beings, you're ravening morons who don't deserve to be treated like proper customers. GROW THE **** UP.

And just to be that much more of a ******. I'm going to go play my Dragon Age: Origins, which works perfectly, and laugh at your inability to complete your game. Ha-ha-ha. Have fun whining about a game that doesn't work, ass-bag.

And one more punch in the nuts for you, I hope they DON'T fix these obviously imaginary problems. Yeah, **** you. I just called you all out on your lame ass lies. Clearly there are no bugs because my game works perfect, and they haven't fixed them. You WANT me to side with the corporate machine? Success, retard. I just did. Now I'm COMPLETELY against your cause, as opposed to supporting your needs, and hoping you'd be rational about your arguments instead of acting infantile about them. Wanna know how you lose and BioWare wins? They still have your money, jack-off. lol

Imaginary problems? Are you f*cking serious? Have you not read the literally hundreds of posts on exactly what these problems are and how to replicate them?
As for laughing at people for experiencing the huge amount of bugs, I hope you find the corruption bug the hard way and lose every single one of your saves like I did, then maybe you will understand why people are so upset. If you want to be a fanboy talking sh*t to people who have experienced these bugs go ahead, but don't think that people disagreeing with you is "attacking" you.
Saying the game has no bugs because you haven't hit them does not make it a bug free game, your little rant just made you look like such a whiny little fanboy, blindly defending a company that doesn't care about you or me. Will these threads ever get the game fixed? doubtful, but it's a place for us to voice our opinions, good or bad. Going off on a rant like that only makes people not take you seriously when you act like a child throwing a temper tantrum.
Bottom line is there are lots of bugs in this game, whether you hit them or not, they are there.

[Drewbahr]

lol@Geiyu.

[Geiyu]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Geiyu wrote...

Okay, so I've been nice long enough. Get the **** over yourselves. You're right, the company DOESN'T care about you, because you're so irrationally ****ing stupid that you LITERALLY think you're getting somewhere doing this. YOUR PROTEST ISN"T EVEN A DROP IN THE BUCKET ***HOLE! They won't miss your nickels and dimes, now shut the **** up, and go play the computer version if you don't like the 360 version.

I tried to treat you like rational human beings, but it's obvious from the attacks on me for no reason that you're NOT rational human beings, you're ravening morons who don't deserve to be treated like proper customers. GROW THE **** UP.

And just to be that much more of a ******. I'm going to go play my Dragon Age: Origins, which works perfectly, and laugh at your inability to complete your game. Ha-ha-ha. Have fun whining about a game that doesn't work, ass-bag.

And one more punch in the nuts for you, I hope they DON'T fix these obviously imaginary problems. Yeah, **** you. I just called you all out on your lame ass lies. Clearly there are no bugs because my game works perfect, and they haven't fixed them. You WANT me to side with the corporate machine? Success, retard. I just did. Now I'm COMPLETELY against your cause, as opposed to supporting your needs, and hoping you'd be rational about your arguments instead of acting infantile about them. Wanna know how you lose and BioWare wins? They still have your money, jack-off. lol

Imaginary problems? Are you f*cking serious? Have you not read the literally hundreds of posts on exactly what these problems are and how to replicate them?
As for laughing at people for experiencing the huge amount of bugs, I hope you find the corruption bug the hard way and lose every single one of your saves like I did, then maybe you will understand why people are so upset. If you want to be a fanboy talking sh*t to people who have experienced these bugs go ahead, but don't think that people disagreeing with you is "attacking" you.
Saying the game has no bugs because you haven't hit them does not make it a bug free game, your little rant just made you look like such a whiny little fanboy, blindly defending a company that doesn't care about you or me. Will these threads ever get the game fixed? doubtful, but it's a place for us to voice our opinions, good or bad. Going off on a rant like that only makes people not take you seriously when you act like a child throwing a temper tantrum.
Bottom line is there are lots of bugs in this game, whether you hit them or not, they are there.

Initially I had no intention of replying, but you made my day with this one. Re-read some of the posts that are clearly attacks on a man who was trying to treat everyone hear rationally, while trying to keep people from just cussing at BioWare(the companies are LESS inclined to listen, and MORE inclined to BAN when you do this)...never doubting a word said here...and trying to give BioWare a little room as well, since I had never had a problem.

The first thing I'm accused of is kissing BioWare's ass and not believing that the problems are real. I did EXACTLY what was wanted of me...if I am to be accused of something, then I'll earn that accusation thank you very much. As for the save corruption bug...what do I care if my saves all get lost? I've lost thousands of saves of games in my entire gaming life-time. The daughter of a family friend wiped my Sonic 3 saves on my Sega when I was 10. My niece ruined hundreds of my gaming experiences by turning off my computer(accidentally) while she was growing up.

I had cleared all of Soul Calibur II, only to have the memory card it was saved on, get corrupted. I cleared 3 of 4 .hack// games with me being just before the final boss on the fourth, when the memory card went on the fritz and I lost everything. I have lost literally THOUSANDS of hours of game time to misfortune and tough breaks...I never cried at anyone over it. It upset me for a bit, but it's all pixels...and if you could do it once, you can damn well do it again. Did you know when I played Diablo II, some clusterf*** ended up deleting all of my characters? Including my level 90 Barbarian, my level 87 Necromancer, and my level 83 Amazon? Poof, all gone. I was upset, but Blizz either couldn't or wouldn't undo it. They were gone forever, and all of my hard work with them. Still alive though.

This thread though? It's run by Forum Trolls. Nothing more. They aim to **** on ANYONE that does not conform to their mindless swearing like so many cro-magnon. It's a waste being here. If you're intelligent, take your argument someplace where it's got a remote chance of making a difference. Here? It doesn't. I turned my back on these trolls because they thought it'd be cute to slander someone who is on their side, and trying to help keep the arguments rational.

If BioWare has only a 30% chance of reading your intelligent posts(and let's face it, that's being generous), and a 15% chance of doing something about it(that's generous too)...there's 100x less chance of them doing EITHER if the first thing they see is people cussing at them. Then they just mark it up as "Forum Trolls" and ignore it. Thus, the arguments go unheard of ALTOGETHER. Naturally, the Forums trolls will attack this again, claiming that I'm backing up BioWare 100%, and kissing their asses, and refusing to believe there are any problems...that's fine. You'll never be heard here anyway. Get real people...if they aren't listening when you AREN'T cussing them out, they aren't going to start just because you added the word f*** to your vocabulary. You. Do. Not. Scare. Them. Simple as that.