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[Mangalores]

Nivenus wrote...
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Why repeat needlessly repetetive tropes? I agree that ME2's equipment felt truncated, but that was mainly because there weren't very many non-combat items. Call me weird, I like non-combat gameplay and items.
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I didn't like that aspect about ME1 as well but when stripping down all the X variants you still had more modular possibilities to tweak your stuff. In ME2 they went more into that direction with the armor but completely removed it for the weapons which I find a shame.

I also agree with the OP that one single armor and 3 weapons max (2 standard and one special unlock weapon) feels very little for the base game and thus rather questionable to have to pay for it in DLCs. Esspecially since the weapons were of very linear development.

I also don't want a item spam fest, but at least a couple of more variation and set ups where you have incentives to work with different weapons and their upgrades.

[CaptainZaysh]

Bioware is taking you for a ride by offering you content that isn't free. Right.

[adam_grif]

The whole level scaling in ME and DAO pisses me off something chronic. Why are you letting me level up if the enemies scale with me? WHY?!

[Jedi0309]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Jedi0309 wrote...
The addition of more armor pieces with weapon damage, etc.. would just give you a slightly bigger edge, and would make playing the harder difficulties a bit more fun and/or easy.

What is the point of having harder difficulties if they make it easier?

Surely the whole idea of having harder difficulties is that they provide a challenge is it not?

 
I said it would make it easier to get through, not completely ruin the experience..  The challenge would still be there, but it would give you a better chance of surviving.  A 5% boost here and there isn't going to suddenly throw you into god mode.  Not with the way ME2 scales mobs for difficulty and level, not even close.

scyphozoa wrote...

Jedi0309 wrote...
I firmly believe that the lack of equipment is more of a cash cow issue.

You're totally entitled to that opinion. Personally, I would rather judge Bioware strictly on what I'm certain of - that ME2 delivered a 10+ GB scifi opera - not speculations about their business model or speculations about their game design choices. 

I'm basing my opinion on Bioware's previous history.  Before EA bought them out, they would release new content and small additions for free.  I remember downloading free content for Knights of the Old Republic and  Neverwinter Nights 2.  Even some of the older games on PS2 had free content given for Bioware titles, but seemed to cost points for people who had the same game for Xbox.  Either way, Bioware is following the same knickle-and-dime tactics that several other major gaming companies are doing.  In this situation, it's not really just my opinion, but a stating of the obvious.  Perhaps, EA is the reason for placing a price tag on everything, perhaps not.  Bioware is out to make money just like everyone else, so it only makes sense they would jump on the micro-transaction bandwagon.

Modifié par Jedi0309, 19 mai 2010 - 03:27 .

[CaptainZaysh]

You should welcome it, Jedi. Paying them for content will encourage them to release more of it.

[askanec]

What's with this sense of entitlement that because Bioware gave away free things in the past, they have to do so in the present and future to retain your "respect"?

[Flamin Jesus]

I'm ok with the DLC, while the value-for-money correlation is somewhat questionable, at least they didn't release an unfinished game that actually forces you to buy any of that stuff, and while I'm not fond of their attempts to hit the resale market with the cerberus network, it's not entirely unjustified and still leagues below things like Steam ("Just because you buy a game doesn't mean you OWN it, ****! But thanks for the money!").



But this whole "Buy the Collectors edition for ingame content you can't get anywhere else!" and "Here are pre-order bonuses you can't get any other way, also, you can't get all of them unless you pre-order the game at five different stores!" business pisses me off, I know they're a business and have to make money, but why do I have to buy a CE and scour e-Bay just to get a complete game?

[Jedi0309]

askanec wrote...

What's with this sense of entitlement that because Bioware gave away free things in the past, they have to do so in the present and future to retain your "respect"?

I still have a great deal of respect for Bioware.   I've always loved their games, because they put their heart and soul into any and every title they work on.  In the past, Bioware made killer games and added content simply for the love of programing and gaming, not for an added paycheck.  I can't pinpoint when things started changing, but I believe it was shortly after EA bought them out.  Since then, Bioware's creativity has started costing $$ for things that should just be part of a core game, or maybe part of an expansion.    What is making me lose respect for Bioware, is that they're jumping on the bandwagon of the micro-transaction crowd. 

In reguards to getting free stuff, I stated before that I don't mind paying for a DLC that adds new story content, places, NPCs, and missions.  Just, don't ask us for $$ to expand our equipment when there wasn't much of it to begin with. 

[Dean_the_Young]

That's a rather naive view of why they did things in the past. Companies offered free material not 'for love of programming and gaming', but because freebies kept people interested in the franchise and more likely to stay interested. Companies are and have always been engines of profit. They don't waste money paying programmers for useless things.



The micro-transaction bandwagon is here to stay because it's become an apparently superior business model. It prolongs consumer interest in the product while also increasing the value of the product by making individual parts of it available and affordable. This also has the aspect of pushing them to produce more extra content in the first place that they wouldn't do otherwise. If you can find a better business model, businesses will take it and the micro-transaction model will die. Until then, companies that don't won't be competitive, and won't be able to afford to produce good games in the first place, let alone free DLC.



If you don't want to spend money for expanded equipment, then don't buy the equipment. It's really that simple. Other people who do want it can buy it, and you'll be no worse off for it.

[Nivenus]

IIRC, most of the adventure packs for NWN were pay-for as well.

[Christianson]

Well I can say only this. They are a company that is the buisness of making money,they did make a great game but as far as the new content goes I cant help but to get all of it. Im desperate for new things in the game to keep me interested. So I guess they are getting their money from people like me that get addicted easily and cant resist new content:)

[Gethforceone]

I feel in ME3 you should have about 5 guns per weapons class, enemies should drop credits.

And then to deal with the inventory, you should be able to buy weapon upgrades in the form of parts for your guns.

[LadyAlekto]

There is only 1 thing about the inventory that i truly miss, the mentioned weapon mods, if they do a dlc to get them back in, Id be willing to pay them a couple bucks, who gives a ****, just a book less per month which time i had spend in it i spend on a interactive story, as long as it is not such crap as the alternate appearance im willing to buy dlc content, tho more armor pieces less "helmets" pls (firerate increase? recoil reduction?)



A dlc that adds weapon mods to stores, scatter them around on existing areas and give a couple lowgrade to start with? sure heres 5 bucks for your work now let me go kill enemys different



They basically did this by adding the research, which is fine to me, but utter bull**** compared to just get to the closest shop and be proud being capable to buy yourself that phasic vii you longed for all this time to put it on your gorgon (ye i cheated me the cerberus weapons, they were truly different to other, less damage with natural shieldpericing)

[Gethforceone]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

There is only 1 thing about the inventory that i truly miss, the mentioned weapon mods, if they do a dlc to get them back in, Id be willing to pay them a couple bucks, who gives a ****, just a book less per month which time i had spend in it i spend on a interactive story, as long as it is not such crap as the alternate appearance im willing to buy dlc content, tho more armor pieces less "helmets" pls (firerate increase? recoil reduction?)

A dlc that adds weapon mods to stores, scatter them around on existing areas and give a couple lowgrade to start with? sure heres 5 bucks for your work now let me go kill enemys different

They basically did this by adding the research, which is fine to me, but utter bull**** compared to just get to the closest shop and be proud being capable to buy yourself that phasic vii you longed for all this time to put it on your gorgon (ye i cheated me the cerberus weapons, they were truly different to other, less damage with natural shieldpericing)

You have no idea how much I agree with this, you said it better than I could.

[LadyAlekto]

What should be considered in my posts that im proud to pirate games, but that i am on the same are for payforit dlc, why did they bother with the cerberus network really, i know some pirates like me that buy only stuff they have pirated and therefore excessively tested, and this game almost lost to darkest of days for my shopping spree, and dod had a demo so i didnt even need to pirate it, i should mention i bought the dde off steam as well, and i didnt spend the additional 10 for that laughable bonus content, it was to support bioware....(like the soundtrack actually nice to doze off too)

another addendum, cerberus and the dlc's can be pirated as well, this does not work against us, the many good of us made you companys great, dont treat your nonpirating consumer like the gullible idiots they are mostly(this was not at bioware)

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 20 mai 2010 - 07:48 .

[Christianson]

Tsk Tsk Tsk ,stealing isnt good. Now remember Im a Christian. So now you know why I said that

[Captain Iglo]

Jedi0309 wrote...

askanec wrote...

What's with this sense of entitlement that because Bioware gave away free things in the past, they have to do so in the present and future to retain your "respect"?

I still have a great deal of respect for Bioware.   I've always loved their games, because they put their heart and soul into any and every title they work on.  In the past, Bioware made killer games and added content simply for the love of programing and gaming, not for an added paycheck.  I can't pinpoint when things started changing, but I believe it was shortly after EA bought them out.  Since then, Bioware's creativity has started costing $$ for things that should just be part of a core game, or maybe part of an expansion.    What is making me lose respect for Bioware, is that they're jumping on the bandwagon of the micro-transaction crowd. 

In reguards to getting free stuff, I stated before that I don't mind paying for a DLC that adds new story content, places, NPCs, and missions.  Just, don't ask us for $$ to expand our equipment when there wasn't much of it to begin with. 

All money earned goes straight to EA...Bioware are simply employees of EA.

EA is a gigantic shareholder company in a highly competitive market...and their biggest competitor Activison makes MILLIONS! with simple DLC....songs for guitar hero and co, maps for the cod's, and I'm sure blizzard will have to do the same with Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, if Activision says so, what they will.
However...to compete with Activison and to "feed" the shareholders they need to put out regularly DLC for their Tripple A titles. At  the moment EA is crumbling...they have nothing but Mass Effect and Battlefield....they need sales and money! no matter how!

However I think we have to wait for possible bigger DLC's to make a final judgement about Bioware and their DLC Quality.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 20 mai 2010 - 08:12 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Welcome to the age of DLC. Instead of doing one expansion pack with a good amount of content, you get the equivalent of the horse armor in Oblivion.

[LadyAlekto]

Spore disaster.... just as a note, ea made a lot bad **** in the past, they had a great start, activison had some nice games as well, but they start to do now what made ea to start fail



Btw best game published by ea is imho still future cop, simple plain endless fun, bought that a couple after playing it pirated on my psx, i still play it sometimes....

[Captain Iglo]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

Spore disaster.... just as a note, ea made a lot bad **** in the past, they had a great start, activison had some nice games as well, but they start to do now what made ea to start fail

Btw best game published by ea is imho still future cop, simple plain endless fun, bought that a couple after playing it pirated on my psx, i still play it sometimes....

As long as Activison lets Blizzard just do then they still have their cash cow...

but you're right... sadly Activison is going the same way ( I think they are already there actually)...and we consumers are the ones that "suffer"...but in a way its our own fault

[OneDrunkMonk]

If you are playing Mass Effect just to have a gazillion uber guns n armor to use battle...Well your missing the boat, you aint even on the dock. I often like to imagine the 'what-if' you only had 3 guns max available. If the combat was focused on what you do with what you have as oppose to just giving you a huge arsenal to blast your way through every scenario.

[Christianson]

I like blasting my way through every scenario

[LadyAlekto]

I must say i wont buy dlc from activision, their prices are insults, 14 bucks for 5 maps that you cant decide which gamemode you want to play on? **** no, as if matchmaking aint bad enough that i only own mw2 because it was a gift, one i was "forced" to accept



And instead of only buying titles for the masses, set your face to indies,dod is a heck of a play, okay not long, but like serious sam back then, it costs less and still delivers fun (multimissile homing missile launcher in ww2? hahaha suck it=)



Btw i just realized it might be argued activision started early with the ****ing consumer concept, mechwarrior2 ghost bear legcy was by itself a standalone product that required you to own mechwarrior2, but it did not needed any data from it, yet it was a full prize game that forced you to have another full price game, it failed in sales, and the following mw2 mercenaries did sell so great they released graphic updates and content for free (additional to buyable hardcopy variants of the upgraded mercs)



The bad thing is not the gamers, it is horrific stupid masses and their consoles (sry i never bought anything past psx, and i own like 10 games for it)

[Christianson]

Not all people that like consoles are stupid. Ii like them and Im not:)

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nivenus wrote...

IIRC, most of the adventure packs for NWN were pay-for as well.

There were a couple of "Free ones" but I believed they were bundled with Kingmaker.  I think a couple other small ones were included with the patches but the rest did cost money.  (Wyvern, Pirates, I think even Infinite Dungeons might have as well)