Kaiser Shepard wrote...
It's not entirely removed: you just can't use it. A little tweaking makes you able to use it again in the pc version, and I once accidentally managed to 'activate' it in my 360 game.
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Probably, but I don't think exploiting crouch was the point of the explanation. It was more along the lines of not exploiting the cover system and still being capable of killing enemies with impunity. What the player was doing was hiding behind cover and wasn't being exposed to enemy fire while firing his/her weapon. That would be the case if you used the cover system.masterthehero wrote...
I just watched your horizon run and there was no usage of crouch as an exploit. Makes me think you're just trying to advertise your speed run, which doesn't make sense. Mass Effect doesn't really strike me as the type of game to speed run when there's so many section of dialogue to go through.
But my point still stands: Why penalize this tactic by removing crouch? Improving enemy tactic and cover would have worked better.
CatatonicMan wrote...
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
But my point still stands: Why penalize this tactic by removing crouch? Improving enemy tactic and cover would have worked better.
Yes, it would have - but programming exceptional enemy tactics and AI is hard.
Much harder, in fact, than simply removing a small bit of functionality from the game. Bendable knees are for chumps, anyway.
I'm sure the binary covered/uncovered AI behavior switch was a heck of a lot easier to implement than something with more than two states to consider.
Kangasniemi wrote...
That improving enemy tactic and cover system you suggested would have been huge undertaking, most likely postponing the publishing of the game well over a year or even more. They pretty much would have had to scrap all the ready material and start over from zero. So the choice was made between redesing the whole game from the start up or removing crouch.
Modifié par CatatonicMan, 20 mai 2010 - 02:04 .
I know. It's a point I understand completely. Here's hoping that this isn't an issue for ME3.Kangasniemi wrote...
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Probably, but I don't think exploiting crouch was the point of the explanation. It was more along the lines of not exploiting the cover system and still being capable of killing enemies with impunity. What the player was doing was hiding behind cover and wasn't being exposed to enemy fire while firing his/her weapon. That would be the case if you used the cover system.masterthehero wrote...
I just watched your horizon run and there was no usage of crouch as an exploit. Makes me think you're just trying to advertise your speed run, which doesn't make sense. Mass Effect doesn't really strike me as the type of game to speed run when there's so many section of dialogue to go through.
But my point still stands: Why penalize this tactic by removing crouch? Improving enemy tactic and cover would have worked better.
This problem was discovered during beta testing of the game. And during beta testing you are hammering out the last bugs of the game and do some minor balancing. Beta testing happens right before the game is published. You don't do any major changes in the gameplay during beta testing. So they discovered a game breaking bug in the game and removed it.
That improving enemy tactic and cover system you suggested would have been huge undertaking, most likely postponing the publishing of the game well over a year or even more. They pretty much would have had to scrap all the ready material and start over from zero. So the choice was made between redesing the whole game from the start up or removing crouch.
I know. It's a point I understand completely. Here's hoping that this isn't an issue for ME3.Kangasniemi wrote...
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Probably, but I don't think exploiting crouch was the point of the explanation. It was more along the lines of not exploiting the cover system and still being capable of killing enemies with impunity. What the player was doing was hiding behind cover and wasn't being exposed to enemy fire while firing his/her weapon. That would be the case if you used the cover system.masterthehero wrote...
I just watched your horizon run and there was no usage of crouch as an exploit. Makes me think you're just trying to advertise your speed run, which doesn't make sense. Mass Effect doesn't really strike me as the type of game to speed run when there's so many section of dialogue to go through.
But my point still stands: Why penalize this tactic by removing crouch? Improving enemy tactic and cover would have worked better.
This problem was discovered during beta testing of the game. And during beta testing you are hammering out the last bugs of the game and do some minor balancing. Beta testing happens right before the game is published. You don't do any major changes in the gameplay during beta testing. So they discovered a game breaking bug in the game and removed it.
That improving enemy tactic and cover system you suggested would have been huge undertaking, most likely postponing the publishing of the game well over a year or even more. They pretty much would have had to scrap all the ready material and start over from zero. So the choice was made between redesing the whole game from the start up or removing crouch.
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This I don't understand. As Shogun put it so well, this is an AI problem, not a player exploit.Ecael wrote...
It was removed during ME2 beta because people were abusing it by standing a foot away from actual cover, crouching, and firing over the shield they just made for themselves.
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
So I don't have to get shot to hell every time I move from cover to cover. It's ludicrous for any one in combat to stand up straight when trying to advance/retreat on an enemy while they are shooting at you. Did you even read my post? As far as abuse goes, I'm sure that there could have been a way to solve that issue without removing crouch. Having a bigger combat environment or having enemies who will lay prone when their cover is not enough to protect them.Atmosfear3 wrote...
For what purpose would you need to crouch other than the above mentioned abusive tactic Ecael mentioned?
Sorry immersion doesn't count here.
LaurenIsSoMosh wrote...
It's a legitimate tactical approach. It's common sense.
If they did remove it at the last minute, okay, but they need to bring crouching back for ME3 and focus on improving AI.
If BioWare left crouching in the game, then people would abuse it like crazy behind cover, brag about it on the forums, and then whine the moment a patch fixes it.
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Vicious wrote...
If BioWare left crouching in the game, then people would abuse it like crazy behind cover, brag about it on the forums, and then whine the moment a patch fixes it.
rofl
TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Me being a 360 guy would like to know how that happened.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
It's not entirely removed: you just can't use it. A little tweaking makes you able to use it again in the pc version, and I once accidentally managed to 'activate' it in my 360 game.
Spartas Husky wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
It's not entirely removed: you just can't use it. A little tweaking makes you able to use it again in the pc version, and I once accidentally managed to 'activate' it in my 360 game.
wow.. wow. wait.
How did you modded it for the 360 to be able to crouch????
You can still try it in a limited number of places. Take cover against the perpendicular side of a T or L shaped low barrier and spin 90 degrees. You'll only be able to fire within that 90 degree angle, but if you're in the right spot:LaurenIsSoMosh wrote...
This I don't understand. As Shogun put it so well, this is an AI problem, not a player exploit.Ecael wrote...
It was removed during ME2 beta because people were abusing it by standing a foot away from actual cover, crouching, and firing over the shield they just made for themselves.
It's a legitimate tactical approach. It's common sense.
If they did remove it at the last minute, okay, but they need to bring crouching back for ME3 and focus on improving AI.
LPPrince wrote...
I never needed to use crouch in ME1, and definitely never wished it was implemented in ME2.
Is the game so hard for some people they NEED a crouch option?
Seriously, its just as unnecessary in ME2 as a jump button.
Spartas Husky wrote...
LPPrince wrote...
I never needed to use crouch in ME1, and definitely never wished it was implemented in ME2.
Is the game so hard for some people they NEED a crouch option?
Seriously, its just as unnecessary in ME2 as a jump button.
no, but makes the game more likable.
Instead of me running to cover, which is kool in its own right. I would also like to crouch from a distance, and move slowly to cover.
WHy not have the option? is really the only way to get into cover be some sort of rambo running amongst enemy fire.
Is not hard but why not.
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