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[Xx_Belzak_xX]

 Can't really think of any other way to put it. The game is still running, everything is still working, except for the controls. At random, all the controls just stop working, so I have to restart the game. Add this on top of the lag, the fact that, in large mobs the damage i deal doesn't kick in until several seconds later, and the occasional crash, and you can see how severely annoyed I am. =___=

Anyway, I'm on a laptop, and, as you can see, the keyboard and mouse work just fine outside of the game. I either have to use ctrl+alt+delete or the windows key to restart the game. The crashing, I'm sure, no 100% positive is related to patch 1.03, which is the most horrid piece of **** software I've ever seen in my entire life, and Bioware should be **** slapped for putting this nightmare out without testing it. (Because I believe they did not test it enough...)
But this control glitch has been going on long before the patch came out. I've not gotten any answers, so I've left it alone until now, but now I'm severely annoyed, as it just happened after I killed Flemeth, BEFORE I had the chance to save it.... =___= Bioware...WTF!

So...please help, anyone? >_>

Toshiba Satellite L505D
Windows Vista Home Premium
AMD Athalon X2 Dual-Core QL-65 2.10 GHz
Memory: 3GB
Radion 3100 

(On a side note, I'm partially blaming Vista. This horrid OS has been a nightmare. I'd switch to windows 7 or XP if I could.)

UPDATE: Okay, so I tried hitting different keys unrelated to in-game controls, see if I could duplicate the problem. I did this several times to ensure this was the cause, and so I seem, to lose my controls after pressing the [ ~ ] key.

Modifié par Xx_Belzak_xX, 23 mai 2010 - 07:20 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

 Can't really think of any other way to put it. The game is still running, everything is still working, except for the controls. At random, all the controls just stop working, so I have to restart the game. Add this on top of the lag, the fact that, in large mobs the damage i deal doesn't kick in until several seconds later, and the occasional crash, and you can see how severely annoyed I am. =___=

Anyway, I'm on a laptop, but now I'm severely annoyed, as it just happened after I killed Flemeth, BEFORE I had the chance to save it.... =___= Bioware...WTF!

So...please help, anyone? >_>

Toshiba Satellite L505D
Windows Vista Home Premium
AMD Athalon X2 Dual-Core QL-65 2.10 GHz
Memory: 3GB
32-bit OS

First, you cannot expect official support, because laptops are just not game platforms, and are excluded. 

Second, the single most important part of a PC for playing games is not the OS, it is not the manufacturer, it is not the CPU.   And it would appear that since you omitted naming one, you "probably" do not have the most important part, which is only made by ATI or nVIDIA, a discrete Game-capable video CARD. 

Therefore, before trying to go much further with your report here, the objective is going to be to find out whether it is a waste of time pursuing the matter any further or not.  Onboard video chips never qualify as "cards", whether from ATI / nVIDIA or not.  Onboard video is a primary reason to ignore laptops generally as very poor game platforms.

If somehow you never knew such a thing, and never knew what video is inside that laptop, well, 98% of all of them have nothing more than onboard chips, which don't count. 

PC Hardware Basics for Gaming (and inventory of Components):

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/509580

Video: ATI Radeon X850 256MB or greater (either this is wrong)
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT 128MB or greater (or this one is wrong)

(Note: IMO, the practical choices for the two video cards above should be the Radeon X800 Pro, and the Geforce 6800 GS, at least, for small textures - it will take a Radeon X1650 XT (or X1800 GTO) for medium or better textures)

The failures of laptops as game playing platforms:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/106/index/1788646

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 20 mai 2010 - 04:44 .

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

ah, yes, of course. I suppose *a* (my bad >.> ) GAMING laptop is no good then? And I also suppose Bioware expects everyone to go out and get brand new desktops too, hmm? Sure thing, I'll go and get one as soon as I harvest my money tree.

EDIT: I'd also like to note, Bioware is, as far as I know, is the only gaming company that doesn't count laptops as a gaming console. Go figure. Dragon Age seems to be the ONLY game I've EVER had ANY trouble with, I might also add.

Modifié par Xx_Belzak_xX, 20 mai 2010 - 03:34 .

[Gorath Alpha]

No one here will ever know whether you even know the definition, one way or the other, at this rate.

Here is the pertinent section of the Readme file on the game disk:

"NOTES: For the best results, make sure you have the latest drivers
       for your video and audio cards.
     
       Laptop or mobile versions of the above supported video cards
       have not had extensive testing and may have driver or other
       performance issues. As such, they are not officially supported
       in Dragon Age: Origins.

       Intel and S3 video cards are not officially supported in
       Dragon Age: Origins."
     
The italics above were added to the quote's formatting.

     

[Fredvdp]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

ah, yes, of course. I suppose *a* (my bad >.> ) GAMING laptop is no good then? And I also suppose Bioware expects everyone to go out and get brand new desktops too, hmm?

Not necessarily new, but decent at least. You can argue if there even is such a thing as a gaming laptop. They're not supported for a reason.

What video hardware do you have? You still forgot to mention that.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 20 mai 2010 - 03:49 .

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Going off topic....



Lol....extensive testing...they don't seem to test anything anyway...if they did, we wouldn't have things like patch 1.03, the Shale glitch, and the plethora of other glitches that are in the game. I have to be honest; worst management I've ever seen. They rush things out and ignore half of the glitches, and when they do something about it, they only make things worse.

PlayNC, Blizzard, most of EA games (obviously not bioware), and even Jagex for god's sake (and they suck ass) do a better job. You know you suck when even Jagex surpasses you.



It's called "greed" just look what it did to the PS3 and Xbox 360 when they first came out. These are only two examples. I'm sure I could think of more if pressed. Bioware could be a damn good company if they gave a **** about anything other than money. Sadly, it seems they do not. -.-

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

It's ATI Radeon 3100.
I think it works quite well if you ask me. I've got lag, but it's only occasional, and isn't half bad. :3

Modifié par Xx_Belzak_xX, 20 mai 2010 - 04:04 .

[Gorath Alpha]

The closest old clunker of a real video card to the same silicon as an HD 3200 IGP (better than an HD 3100) is the Mobility Radeon X1300, which trails behind the matching Medium Textures Radeon to the minimums by only managing 48%, 34%, 12%, 34%, and 17% of the performance criteria numbers. 

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

Since it can only handle small textures anyway, it compares even WORSE to the Radeons named at that minimum level, getting just 31%, 26%, 20%, 26%, and 26% of the X850 Pro's performance numbers. Because ATI had stopped including X800 cards in their driver support updates before they dropped the X850, those weren't tested. 

The X800 Pro is plenty adequate for the game (I tested one, using Omega drivers), so giving an HD 3n00 IGP a little leeway, it beats the Mobility Radeon X1300 rather similarly.  That one, it trails at 36%, 28%, 21%, 28%, and 28% of its numbers.
 
A real  "Game-capable" PC will have an actual video card that actually has the Mainline "n600" numbering, or equivalent, such as a Radeon HD 2600,  Geforce 8600, Radeon HD 3650, Geforce 9600, Radeon HD 4650, Geforce GT240, Radeon HD 5670, or Geforce GTS250. 

And, oops, whether it's definitely a waste of anyone's time to expain or not, an IGP is quite slow compared to a real video card, and a laptop containing one cannot be upgraded to include it.  It *will* always be slow in games with real 3D demands, because that is its nature. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 20 mai 2010 - 04:42 .

[Nukenin]

Does this loss of control happen after accidentally hitting the Fn or Function key on the laptop?  I know Toshiba has a funky "Flash Cards" app to visually display the function key, er, functions when you hit the Fn key, and I wouldn't put it past that app to do funky things.

Do you regain control after alt-tabbing out and back or is it persistent until you close the game?  Does Alt-F4 work from within the game to quit out (when you're having control issues)?

Sorry you got hit with the "laptops aren't gaming machines" crowd first.  They do like to crow. 

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Nope, just tried hitting the FN key purposely, to see if that was it. No dice. Still have control. For the most part, it's completely random. And yes, I've alt-tabbed out before, but it only rarely works. I've also found that, again on rare occasions, pressing the keys on the keyboard at random like a mad man seems to get the controls back XD (I got pretty desperate after a particular fight...so i kinda jst started mashing random keys XDDD )



It seems completely random, and for no reason.



And no worries. I don't know how they can say that laptops aren't gaming machines....what the hell are alienware laptops then? :| Oh, lemme guess, they're doorstops Am I right?

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Oh, if thats the case, then explain to me how I can play an MMORPG like Guild Wars, on Highest detail, with X4 Anti-Aliasing, with no lag whatsoever. And when I do have lag it's ONLY during the holiday events, in districts that are completely packed. Otherwise, I can run the game on the higest quality in graphics AND sound with very little, if any, lag.
Did I mention that it's an MMO game? >_>

oh, but my graphics card is slow by nature *nods*

Modifié par Xx_Belzak_xX, 20 mai 2010 - 05:41 .

[Nukenin]

I'm sure they'll remind you that Guild Wars is five years old now.    (I just picked up the trilogy myself, taking advantage of the sale Steam had a couple weeks back.)

Hopefully you can figure out what's glitching your game.  You say it's random which is always annoying, as it's hard to test out "fixes" when you can't consistently reproduce the problem in the first place.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

yep, probably x)



But 5 years old or not, the graphics are still...well...I wanna say...god-like xD Certainly better than ALMOST any game I've ever seen. If what he was saying is true, then I shouldn't be able to play the game with everything maxed out. And did I mention while simultaneously having the browser open, using Ventrilo, and having MSN up as well? XD

[Fredvdp]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It's called "greed" just look what it did to the PS3 and Xbox 360 when they first came out. These are only two examples. I'm sure I could think of more if pressed. Bioware could be a damn good company if they gave a **** about anything other than money. Sadly, it seems they do not. -.-

It's not called "greed", it's called "running a business". They're a company, not charity. Of course they want to make as much money as possible.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 20 mai 2010 - 09:19 .

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Fredvdp wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It's called "greed" just look what it did to the PS3 and Xbox 360 when they first came out. These are only two examples. I'm sure I could think of more if pressed. Bioware could be a damn good company if they gave a **** about anything other than money. Sadly, it seems they do not. -.-

It's not called "greed", it's called "running a business". They're a company, not charity. Of course they want to make as much money as possible.

It's greed when you rush your product out and they have a plethora of glitches. And when you do not test things as you should, most likely to save money, or make it faster by hurrying the product out. This is what Bioware is doing, and this is why there are so many glitches with both Origins, Awakenings, and their DLCs. They just want to make money, so they just throw random things together, and call it good. >_> 
As I said before, if they were REALLY testing their products, they wouldn't need half a dozen patches to fix the original patch. 

Call me old fashioned, but I believe in taking your time, and making sure your product doesn't suck, simply because you want to save every penny you can get your greedy hands on.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

 I think I found the culprit behind this whole thing it seems to be the [ ~ ] key >