Normally when playing through she seems like a royal pain, but this time I maxed out coercion and was able to persuade her to see things from Alistair's point of view. I even managed to get +2 approval and avoid giving her gold afterward.
Goldanna not so bad
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Demx
, mai 21 2010 07:18
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#2
Posté 21 mai 2010 - 07:27
Thor Rand Al
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Um try playing as a female with Alistair. Her tone is so much different for a male then it is for a female, she's a downright bytch to Alistair when you play a female. I know, I've done both.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 07:32
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Is she still a **** even with a successful persuasion?
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 07:37
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yes. I heard there are some random playthroughs where she isn't though. Not sure if its a gender difference or not. She was a **** to my Cousland boy too.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 08:06
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Ya there's a big difference between a male n female.
Here's part of the conversation with her if your a female Warden:
And here's the part for the male Warden, her tones softer:
A lot of difference just in that part n my coersion's always maxed out by the time I get to this part.
Here's part of the conversation with her if your a female Warden:
And here's the part for the male Warden, her tones softer:
A lot of difference just in that part n my coersion's always maxed out by the time I get to this part.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 10:26
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You did not get those difference because of gender, you got it from the persuasion check. Goldanna actually has 3 dialogs that you can get dependent on your persuasion, one for a complete failure, a partial success and a full success. The two you posed are for a complete failure and the other a partial success.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 10:35
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Wrong. The "bastard is still a bastard" comment is male only.
Third edit: Actually, there is a persuade check there. But only males can pass it.
Third edit: Actually, there is a persuade check there. But only males can pass it.
Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mai 2010 - 10:46 .
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 11:18
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Exactly, it is a gender difference. I've always had max persuiassion, and most characters had high cunning as well. Still no persuiassion check for the girls, and Goldanna mocks the PC, depending on race, and Alistair will get upset and defend you, telling Goldanna not to talk to her that way, informing Goldanna that the female PC is a Warden too.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 11:24
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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Exactly, it is a gender difference. I've always had max persuiassion, and most characters had high cunning as well. Still no persuiassion check for the girls, and Goldanna mocks the PC, depending on race, and Alistair will get upset and defend you, telling Goldanna not to talk to her that way, informing Goldanna that the female PC is a Warden too.
Thats what I always get. The last time I had finished the landsmeet and had max coersion and Cunning around 40. AListair was going to be king and I still got the convo I always get from her on my Cousland girl. (the insult and Al defending PC). My boy was a lot lower...will try it with higher cunning/coersion next time.
Anyone knwo what level you have to have cunning (I have coersion at about 3 usually except that last time when it was 4)
Either way she still sounds like a b*tch unless her line is softened some. I'm not throwing away my hard earned gold just to be insulted and shoved out the door anyway.
Modifié par sylvanaerie, 21 mai 2010 - 11:26 .
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 11:49
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sylvanaerie wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Exactly, it is a gender difference. I've always had max persuiassion, and most characters had high cunning as well. Still no persuiassion check for the girls, and Goldanna mocks the PC, depending on race, and Alistair will get upset and defend you, telling Goldanna not to talk to her that way, informing Goldanna that the female PC is a Warden too.
Thats what I always get. The last time I had finished the landsmeet and had max coersion and Cunning around 40. AListair was going to be king and I still got the convo I always get from her on my Cousland girl. (the insult and Al defending PC). My boy was a lot lower...will try it with higher cunning/coersion next time.
Anyone knwo what level you have to have cunning (I have coersion at about 3 usually except that last time when it was 4)
Either way she still sounds like a b*tch unless her line is softened some. I'm not throwing away my hard earned gold just to be insulted and shoved out the door anyway.
I always make sure I go on a VERY expensive shopping spree, plus a nice EXPENSIVE weekend of debauchery at the Pearl before me and Alistair go and visit her.
Whoops, 15 soverigns? Geee, I sure wish we could, but damnit, between Zevran's new Felon coat and that elf Transvestite at the Pearl, I'm afraid we have only 36 coppers to our name!
Shucks...
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 12:38
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Truth. Max persuasion by the time I call on her - and I always get the nasty response. If she were to act in the less hostile way towards me...I'd have had some sympathy to be honest.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 01:06
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I had that high coercion-male dialogue and I still was not impressed by Goldanna,. Plus, it makes hardening Alistair even more OOC since the "everyone's out for themselves" is a complete non-sequitur after that dialogue.
Modifié par maxernst, 21 mai 2010 - 01:06 .
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 01:16
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I can't go through a game and not harden Alistair anymore. I did one Landsmeet with him unhardened and if there were an opportunity at that time to murder Eamon I would have. The poor boy has had a complete mind F* done to his head. He really has no confidence in his skills at all.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 02:01
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The ridiculous part is the sheer self-destructiveness of Goldanna's behavior. She has Alistair practically begging her to be her meal-ticket and she throws him out.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 04:17
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Thor Rand Al wrote...
Ya there's a big difference between a male n female.
Here's part of the conversation with her if your a female Warden:
And here's the part for the male Warden, her tones softer:
A lot of difference just in that part n my coersion's always maxed out by the time I get to this part.
this had NOTHING to do with gender...but persuasion...fact.
but thanks for the wrong info!
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 05:04
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Suron, You're wrong. It is gender specific. I always have max persuasion with my female pc's and I always get the beyotch Goldana dialog. With my one male pc, and a lower persuasion, I got a much softer tone. It is gender specific. The persuasion check is for male only to not have to pay gold. Goldana is just a "Queen Bee". She sees any woman as a threat. She sees men as someone she can manipulate. So she treats them differently.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 05:20
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I, too, never got the second dialogue in spite of Lv4 coercion when playing a female PC.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 05:48
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 05:58
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Xandurpein wrote...
The ridiculous part is the sheer self-destructiveness of Goldanna's behavior. She has Alistair practically begging her to be her meal-ticket and she throws him out.
Yes, it seems beyond stupid. The only thing that could make it plausible is if she's had a visit from Loghain's men, In which case, driving Alistair off could be interpreted as protecting herself and him. But Loghain doesn't know about Alistair (does he?). Anora does, but since she wasn't at Ostagar, she's unlikely to realize that he is the "other Grey Warden".
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 06:00
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According to the Archdemon's codex, she smells like spoiled milk and cabbage.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 06:02
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Suron wrote...
this had NOTHING to do with gender...but persuasion...fact.
but thanks for the wrong info!
My information is correct. I go by the toolset, and it's VERY clear that only a male can pass the persuade check.
Edit: WHY only a male can pass it, I have no clue. But it's in the condition, and there's even a script note saying it's male only so it's not a coding error.
Modifié par ejoslin, 21 mai 2010 - 06:04 .
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 06:05
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Suron wrote...
Thor Rand Al wrote...
Ya there's a big difference between a male n female.
Here's part of the conversation with her if your a female Warden:
And here's the part for the male Warden, her tones softer:
A lot of difference just in that part n my coersion's always maxed out by the time I get to this part.
this had NOTHING to do with gender...but persuasion...fact.
but thanks for the wrong info!
She's right, her female example is the succeeded persuasion check. Only males get the dialogue where she shows regret.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 06:06
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Ejoslin is exceptionally talented with the toolset, and I would stand by the above even if it were somehow wrong.
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Posté 21 mai 2010 - 06:13
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Danijou wrote...
Ejoslin is exceptionally talented with the toolset, and I would stand by the above even if it were somehow wrong.
*grin* Thank you! I find bugs! I actually thought about changing this, but since there's a note saying it's male only, for some reason, I guess the writers wanted Goldanna to be more susceptible to a male warden's charms.
