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[Nightwriter]

DPSSOC wrote...

I always assumed they interrogated him, to find out what he knows and who he told, gave him the lethal injection, then threw him in hoping the Rachni/Creepers would dispose of the body.  Or maybe they wanted to know how they'd react specifically to dead Admirals.

A better explanation.

[Arijharn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus did not turn the Chaska colony into husks! Simply not. Eat it and choke on it!

That's how it was. It was an ExoGeni colony. They found the Dragon Teeth. Reported to ExoGeni HQ on Feros. Cerberus caught the word and sent an operative to acquire the "samples". The operative landed on Chasca, grabbed the "samples" and flew away. Then the colony fully fell under indoctrination and turned into husks. Just like another ExoGeni team on planet Trebin.

Now go scrub your mind off the walls.

I said this ages ago in one of the multiple 'Cerberus blows' threads that seem to pop up every now and again. I've come to the conclusion that people only really care about their own conclusion and will reject anything that doesn't fit into their mindset. Makes me think of that picture of 'arguing on the internet.' People may want to seem/portray that they're open minded, but really they aren't.

Cerberus is BAD, they killed Kahoku and are directly responsible for the Spanish Inquisition and the Dark Ages. Cerberus also makes the sun set in the evenings and are wholly responsible for the East India Trading company! Also, they dislike kittens.

[Zulu_DFA]

jynthor wrote...

Who cares?

The things "Cerberus" did in ME1 were done by other Cells.

Just like Miranda explained if you paid any attention.

Especially when at least some things that "were done", in fact were not done.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mai 2010 - 10:44 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Arijharn wrote...

Cerberus is BAD, they killed Kahoku and are directly responsible for the Spanish Inquisition and the Dark Ages. Cerberus also makes the sun set in the evenings and are wholly responsible for the East India Trading company! Also, they dislike kittens.

Don't forget they made the indigenous folks of the Hawaii to eat James Cook. That was a model cover up!

[Nightwriter]

Come on. You can't blame people for lumping this in with the pile. It's a mistake, but it's not that big a deal. Saying they didn't commit this atrocity doesn't really change much. For me or many others.

So some people on this colony were doing illegal experiments which were very dangerous and went horribly wrong resulting in the deaths of a great many people.

So what's the first thing people think of? Cerberus.

Who's fault is that? Cerberus.

Can you really blame people?

[Arijharn]

Nightwriter wrote...

Come on. You can't blame people for lumping this in with the pile. It's a mistake, but it's not that big a deal. Saying they didn't commit this atrocity doesn't really change much. For me or many others.

So some people on this colony were doing illegal experiments which were very dangerous and went horribly wrong resulting in the deaths of a great many people.

So what's the first thing people think of? Cerberus.

Who's fault is that? Cerberus.

Can you really blame people?

Not really, I can blame them though when they argue to make their point or to put forth their opinion, and they're doing so from faulty information since in my mind they haven't really done their 'research.' Everyone's opinion counts of course, except for when it's wrong!

[Jack Package]

Nightwriter wrote...

Come on. You can't blame people for lumping this in with the pile. It's a mistake, but it's not that big a deal. Saying they didn't commit this atrocity doesn't really change much. For me or many others.

So some people on this colony were doing illegal experiments which were very dangerous and went horribly wrong resulting in the deaths of a great many people.

So what's the first thing people think of? Cerberus.

Who's fault is that? Cerberus.

Can you really blame people?

No, I blame Cerberus!

[Massadonious1]

"Some things" imply that certain things were indeed done. That's like saying a mass murderer is a pretty decent guy because someone else killed his 10th victim before he could.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nightwriter wrote...

Come on. You can't blame people for lumping this in with the pile. It's a mistake, but it's not that big a deal. Saying they didn't commit this atrocity doesn't really change much. For me or many others.

One at  a time, Nightwriter, one at a time. First we bleach out Cerberus so that their whiteness will blind the Reapers, and they'll miss the Milky Way and will fly for eternity until they smash themselves against the brick wall on the borders of the Universe. Then we'll unleash the Unstoppable Kitteh Army on alien babies. And people will be watching it like an Extranet show. And nobody will be blaming them.

[Arijharn]

Massadonious1 wrote...

"Some things" imply that certain things were indeed done. That's like saying a mass murderer is a pretty decent guy because someone else killed his 10th victim before he could.

I doubt anyone could say that Cerberus are made up from model citizens (okay I admit, half of my responses on the old 'Cerberus is good' thread were of being a devil's advocate [and that I believe that as an organisation filled with uncertainties and seeming double standards, they are needed]) but even in a court of law nowadays, that mass murderer shouldn't be tried/convicted for the 10th victim if you know, he didn't kill him.

[Sleepicub09]

Arijharn wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

"Some things" imply that certain things were indeed done. That's like saying a mass murderer is a pretty decent guy because someone else killed his 10th victim before he could.

I doubt anyone could say that Cerberus are made up from model citizens (okay I admit, half of my responses on the old 'Cerberus is good' thread were of being a devil's advocate [and that I believe that as an organisation filled with uncertainties and seeming double standards, they are needed]) but even in a court of law nowadays, that mass murderer shouldn't be tried/convicted for the 10th victim if you know, he didn't kill him.

yes, but does that justify the other 9 victims?

Modifié par Sleepicub09, 21 mai 2010 - 11:01 .

[smecky-kitteh]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

They terminated the traitor by a lethal injection, then they were disposing of the remains. And maybe studying rachni reaction to dead humans, but in any case it wasn't experimentation on Kahoku.

Right, and he's the first dead body they could get ahold of to test this experiment, is he? Bah. Cerberus makes dead bodies like Marlboro makes cigarettes.

Marlboro doesn't make cigarettes.

and the sky is highlighter green

[Arijharn]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

"Some things" imply that certain things were indeed done. That's like saying a mass murderer is a pretty decent guy because someone else killed his 10th victim before he could.

I doubt anyone could say that Cerberus are made up from model citizens (okay I admit, half of my responses on the old 'Cerberus is good' thread were of being a devil's advocate [and that I believe that as an organisation filled with uncertainties and seeming double standards, they are needed]) but even in a court of law nowadays, that mass murderer shouldn't be tried/convicted for the 10th victim if you know, he didn't kill him.

yes, but does that justify the other 9 victims?

I think you're missing the point. Unless it's wet-work, Cerberus doesn't set out to kill someone like a mass murderer does, it's an unfortunate circumstance. Not only this, but people's perceptions are clouded by Cerberus track record (failed results) and obviously use this to decide their worth, not by their intent.

TIM for example has a fixation on making ever more capable biotic soldiers for humanity. If you take two soldiers, both with equal capabilities but make one have biotic tendencies, (s)he's obviously going to be much more capable. 

True, Cerberus does have monsters in it (Pragia), but if you colour the entirety of Cerberus with that brush then you may as well colour the rest of humanity as well.

[onelifecrisis]

Cerberus are evil. Proof: TIM's eyes (or lack thereof). QED.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

I think you're all making assumptions about Chasca. If the colonists dug the dragon's teeth up we were certainly never made aware of that as players. In fact it is implied by that quest that Cerberus is responsible somehow. I always figured they decided to bring dragon's teeth there to study them in an isolated area, unaware of the indoctrination effect which overcame the researchers and then the rest of the pioneer team. After all, this was before Cerberus was aware of the Reapers. As far as they knew these were geth technology and they worked when the geth shot somebody and THEN put them on the spike. How could they predict that people would start willingly impaling themselves?

Nobody was studying anything there. The logs in the main base are clear. The Cerberus man was staying there for a short period of time. Then  he packed up his stuff and left the planet. Whatever happened to the colony cannot be attributed to Cerberus. The logs on Feros indicate concern of an ExoGeni employee about the "samles" they had already procured to Cerberus. It's like: "Looks the sh*t we dug up on Chasca is dangerous, and we gave it up to Cerberus." It's not like "Seems Cerberus did some sh*t to our colony".

BTW in the same star cluster we encounter the MSV Cornucopia, carrying a load of Dragon Teeth and a crew of husks. The ships logs are moot, but may have been falsified to cover up the Cerberus involvement?

[Nightwriter]

I agree that Cerberus involvement is implied. And implications like that aren't dropped for no reason.

It just seemed that every time their name cropped up, something went wrong.

Initially when I got that email from the terminal at Feros I anticipated finding Thorian creepers at that colony. It seemed natural to me that these were the samples ExoGeni would deliver, since that's what they'd been studying.

When I found out that it was husks I was a bit surprised.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nightwriter wrote...

I agree that Cerberus involvement is implied. And implications like that aren't dropped for no reason.

It just seemed that every time their name cropped up, something went wrong.

Initially when I got that email from the terminal at Feros I anticipated finding Thorian creepers at that colony. It seemed natural to me that these were the samples ExoGeni would deliver, since that's what they'd been studying.

When I found out that it was husks I was a bit surprised.

And on your second playthrough, after all Toombs's and Kahoku's horor stories you jumped to conclusion that the Cerberus man, that had "passed the colony" not long before, brought the Dragon Teeth with him. And dropped it there, just for the lulz, not even staying long enough to see what happened. How old do you think you have to be for TIM to hire you?

[OzgunRonin]

Thats intresting that Cerberus doesn't have an operation that suceeds



The only project that suceeds Lazarus Project infact it's purpose is to have a solder who will capture a Reaper. (Not to save humanity) ... So If the player destoryes the artifact they had a big NOTHING...



Cerberus just want power. Not for humans just for themselves...

[Zulu_DFA]

OzgunRonin wrote...

Thats intresting that Cerberus doesn't have an operation that suceeds

The only project that suceeds Lazarus Project infact it's purpose is to have a solder who will capture a Reaper. (Not to save humanity) ... So If the player destoryes the artifact they had a big NOTHING...

Cerberus just want power. Not for humans just for themselves...

Do you like the grenade?

[Arijharn]

OzgunRonin wrote...

Thats intresting that Cerberus doesn't have an operation that suceeds
.

Lol, here we go again. If Cerberus doesn't succeed, why does it still have money to operate? If Cerberus doesn't succeed, why are they an 'avowed enemy' of the Citadel?

Incidentally though, bringing someone back from the dead I think is a pretty big deal.

[Sleepicub09]

Arijharn wrote...

OzgunRonin wrote...

Thats intresting that Cerberus doesn't have an operation that suceeds
.

Lol, here we go again. If Cerberus doesn't succeed, why does it still have money to operate? If Cerberus doesn't succeed, why are they an 'avowed enemy' of the Citadel?

Incidentally though, bringing someone back from the dead I think is a pretty big deal.

mind you I don't blame TIM; I blame cerberus. Tim thinks he runs cerberus be he honestly don't . he's really just there to scare people. Cerberus most likely conducted many gruesome experiments without TIM's knowledge.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Mind you I don't blame TIM; I blame cerberus. Tim thinks he runs cerberus be he honestly don't . he's really just there to scare people. Cerberus most likely conducted many gruesome experiments without TIM's knowledge.

Lol! You are a Christmas present for those who think that Martin Sheen is the only reason Cerberus gets any advocacy...

Care to elaborate?

Because, as a matter of fact, from Mass Effect 2, the Acsention novel. and the Redemption Comic, I get the impression that TIM is in charge of everything. He practically impersonates Cerberus, because we never see any of his lieutenants or staff. All we get is a couple of e-mails signed "Cerberus Command", instead of "Illusive Man".

But again, playing as Shepard, we don't have to see their faces from the in-game point of view. We have our orders.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mai 2010 - 04:53 .

[Nozybidaj]

Cerberus is just the "misunderstood" good guys. True story.

[ThisIsMadness91]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus did not turn the Chaska colony into husks! Simply not. Eat it and choke on it!

That's how it was. It was an ExoGeni colony. They found the Dragon Teeth. Reported to ExoGeni HQ on Feros. Cerberus caught the word and sent an operative to acquire the "samples". The operative landed on Chasca, grabbed the "samples" and flew away. Then the colony fully fell under indoctrination and turned into husks. Just like another ExoGeni team on planet Trebin.

Now go scrub your mind off the walls.

That does make sense, but you seem to have a high-and-mighty, "Cerberus is never wrong" kind of attitude, so it's hard for me to let Cerberus off the hook for it.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Kahoku Kahoku Kahoku. Frikking traitor.

I always wondered if Kahoku actually was going to give the Shadow Broker the data. There's no reason to assume he was honest about that. I doubt an Admiral of all people would actually give a criminal what he wanted. He very likely would have given it to the Alliance, even at the risk of ticking off the SB.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Good point. On Garrus loyaly mission, for instance, Shepard wastes about 30 people just to get to one bastard. And then let the bastard go, if the cry-baby mood strikes him.

They were Blue Suns, hired to protect a criminal. What does it matter that they died?

jynthor wrote...

Who cares?

The things "Cerberus" did in ME1 were done by other Cells.

Just like Miranda explained if you paid any attention.

I can't help but feel that the Illusive Man knew all along about those cells' projects, and decided to call them "rogue" after they screwed up and got exposed.

Even if they weren't respobsible for wiping out the colony on Chasca, they were responsible for the thresher maw attack on Akuze, and again on Edolus.

Even if they aren't all monsters, there are still plenty of monsters in their ranks, and not just in the so-called "rogue cells".

Modifié par ThisIsMadness91, 21 mai 2010 - 06:26 .