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[Jzadek72]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus did not turn the Chaska colony into husks! Simply not. Eat it and choke on it!

That's how it was. It was an ExoGeni colony. They found the Dragon Teeth. Reported to ExoGeni HQ on Feros. Cerberus caught the word and sent an operative to acquire the "samples". The operative landed on Chasca, grabbed the "samples" and flew away. Then the colony fully fell under indoctrination and turned into husks. Just like another ExoGeni team on planet Trebin.

Now go scrub your mind off the walls.

One word: Akuze

[Zulu_DFA]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus did not turn the Chaska colony into husks! Simply not. Eat it and choke on it!

That's how it was. It was an ExoGeni colony. They found the Dragon Teeth. Reported to ExoGeni HQ on Feros. Cerberus caught the word and sent an operative to acquire the "samples". The operative landed on Chasca, grabbed the "samples" and flew away. Then the colony fully fell under indoctrination and turned into husks. Just like another ExoGeni team on planet Trebin.

Now go scrub your mind off the walls.

That does make sense, but you seem to have a high-and-mighty, "Cerberus is never wrong" kind of attitude, so it's hard for me to let Cerberus off the hook for it.

Cerberus is on your hook? LMAO! You've hardly been able to clear off theirs yet!

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Kahoku Kahoku Kahoku. Frikking traitor.

I always wondered if Kahoku actually was going to give the Shadow Broker the data. There's no reason to assume he was honest about that. I doubt an Admiral of all people would actually give a criminal what he wanted. He very likely would have given it to the Alliance, even at the risk of ticking off the SB.

Somehow you will never know. But at the moment YOU were a liability. Being outside of Alliance chain of command you should not have been entrusted with any Alliance sensitive information. Kahoku knew that.

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Good point. On Garrus loyaly mission, for instance, Shepard wastes about 30 people just to get to one bastard. And then let the bastard go, if the cry-baby mood strikes him.

They were Blue Suns, hired to protect a criminal. What does it matter that they died?

*Shrugs*
Those mercs possibly had families, children, elderly parents... Some of them might have beed talented artists or poets and needed money to pay for the college...
But I like your "everything between me and my target is fair game" attitude. It's very Cerberus.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mai 2010 - 06:46 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Jzadek72 wrote...
One word: Akuze

And?

[Pacifien]

Thanks to Cerberus, we have the ability to counteract thorian mind control, develop new antivenoms and working shielding against thresher maws, mollify the affects of the dragon's teeth, maintain control of the Rachni in face of powerful indoctrination signals, decrease the likelihood of genetic defect in element eezo exposure, increase the biotic potential of humans without resorting to the dangerous side effects of the L2 implant, create powerful weaponry to destroy the Reapers, advanced medical science in extending and improving human life, and maintain the cuteness of kittens into full cat maturity.



The universe could fall apart without organizations like Cerberus. Or it could not. It's a little difficult to argue what would happen in the absence of the organization considering its very existence alters the playing field considerably.



But you know, I still don't trust them. I still don't like them. The Illusive Man is still a psychopath. Good can come from evil, evil can still go good, and all that. Ends justify the means? The answer to that defines the terms of morality, a rather human concept.

[Jzadek72]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...
One word: Akuze

And?

Never played sole survivor? Because that's why both me and my character hates Cerberus. I want to continue working with them though. Good conflict.

[I99I Dragoon]

For me, it boils down to an ethics perspective as to whether I hate Cerberus or no. Of course, I support an organization that's for the advancement of the human race-and no one would have a problem with it if it was in Council jurisdiction- but some of these tests and experiments do push boundaries (if they didn't, why are they an "avowed enemy"?)



Simply put, if your a "victory or progress at any cost" kind of person, it doesn't mean you belong with Cerberus. I mean, like Miranda said, each cell has its own rules and regulations so Cerberus isn't bogged down with protocol. Certain cells, like the Akuze one, probably rubbed people the wrong way, but it doesn't mean the other cells operate that way (Lazarus Cell). The problem is most people see organizations as under one, unified rule-set. Cerberus is the first of its kind that supports a "different rule-set for each branch" kind of operation.



That said, Cerberus "haters" can barely provide an argument against a certain experiment as long as Cerberus has different rules and standards.



Oh, and TIM keeps the funds flowing, represents Cerberus as a whole, and essentially keeps the organization under one banner. Personally, he is an "ends justifies the means" person-as stated before- and sees the borderline experiments as a necessity.

[Zulu_DFA]

Jzadek72 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...
One word: Akuze

And?

Never played sole survivor? Because that's why both me and my character hates Cerberus. I want to continue working with them though. Good conflict.

Sole Survivor? You mean corporal Toombs? Too bad the guy got himself killed when refused to follow my order to lay down his weapon. But as far as I could understand out of his incoherent speech there, from the fact that the scientists contracted by Cerberus had experimented on him, he had jumped to the conclusion that the Akuze incident had been masterminded by Cerberus all along.

Even if so, I'm not the one complaining, because after Akuze the Alliance Marines were equipped with M35 "Mako" IFVs, that performed brilliantly against thresher maws on multiple occasions, including several with my own participation.

[KalosCast]

Doesn't change the fact that almost every single one of their experiments ends with hostile creatures overrunning their base and killing them all. Project Lazarus didn't even have hostile creatures as part of their experiment and they still got stomped all over by the world's dumbest guard robots. I mean, seriously, these guys just suck. You never even run into any other Cerberus operatives who are still alive after you get your SR2.

[Zulu_DFA]

KalosCast wrote...

Doesn't change the fact that almost every single one of their experiments ends with hostile creatures overrunning their base and killing them all. Project Lazarus didn't even have hostile creatures as part of their experiment and they still got stomped all over by the world's dumbest guard robots. I mean, seriously, these guys just suck. You never even run into any other Cerberus operatives who are still alive after you get your SR2.

This is the excellent point (in bold). It just freakin cancels all the previous rant.

You don't know how the other Cerberus operatives look, or who they are.
You don't know about any successful achievement by Cerberus unless it directly affects your mission.
You don't know that Cerberus actually work for the Alliance.

Because they are freaking secretive outfit. And you don't need to know all that. Both as Shepard and as a real world gamer, because as the former you'd become a liability, and as the latter you'd be badly spoiled for ME3.

[nhsk]

Cerberus lovers clearly need to see the facts, TIM = Evil, proof? He smokes, in these modern times you can't picture anyone who is remotely good with a cigarette.



/thread and discussion

[KalosCast]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Doesn't change the fact that almost every single one of their experiments ends with hostile creatures overrunning their base and killing them all. Project Lazarus didn't even have hostile creatures as part of their experiment and they still got stomped all over by the world's dumbest guard robots. I mean, seriously, these guys just suck. You never even run into any other Cerberus operatives who are still alive after you get your SR2.

This is the excellent point (in bold). It just freakin cancels all the previous rant.

You don't know how the other Cerberus operatives look, or who they are.
You don't know about any successful achievement by Cerberus unless it directly affects your mission.
You don't know that Cerberus actually work for the Alliance.

Because they are freaking secretive outfit. And you don't need to know all that. Both as Shepard and as a real world gamer, because as the former you'd become a liability, and as the latter you'd be badly spoiled for ME3.

Okay, any time you look for any known Cerberus operatives, they're dead before you can rescue them. They're not a big organization either, about 150 operatives with various mooks working underneath them. As for the Alliance bit, if Kahoku was correct, then they're a former Alliance group that's gone rogue.

Modifié par KalosCast, 21 mai 2010 - 07:57 .

[Zulu_DFA]

nhsk wrote...

Cerberus lovers clearly need to see the facts, TIM = Evil, proof? He smokes, in these modern times you can't picture anyone who is remotely good with a cigarette.

/thread and discussion

This is the best argument for TIM's inherent evilness I've seen so far.

[Zulu_DFA]

KalosCast wrote...
Okay, any time you look for any known Cerberus operatives, they're dead before you can rescue them. They're not a big organization either, about 150 operatives with various mooks working underneath them. As for the Alliance bit, if Kahoku was correct, then they're a former Alliance group that's gone rogue.

Kahoku wasn't correct and it got him killed. As for other Cerberus operatives, if alive they can report to TIM in person.

And will you please provide exact numbers for the folowing categories: "dead Cerberus operatives" and "bases overrun by monsters".

As far as I am concerned, the biggest problem for Cerberus is defection: Pel, Paul Grayson, Wilson, Kahoku, Shepard, Miranda. The latter three are optional, as non-canon.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mai 2010 - 08:59 .

[ThisIsMadness91]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

1. Cerberus is on your hook? LMAO! You've hardly been able to clear off theirs yet!

2. Somehow you will never know. But at the moment YOU were a liability. Being outside of Alliance chain of command you should not have been entrusted with any Alliance sensitive information. Kahoku knew that.

3. *Shrugs*
Those mercs possibly had families, children, elderly parents... Some of them might have beed talented artists or poets and needed money to pay for the college...
But I like your "everything between me and my target is fair game" attitude. It's very Cerberus.

1. Then Cerberus and I agree not to forgive each other.

2. Maybe Shepard wasn't entitled to know about Cerberus, but Kahoku probably thoguht Shepard deserved to know how the marines died, and figured he was the only one who could go out there and stop them.

3. First, the same can be said about the Alliance soldier Cerberus slaughtered on Akuza and Edolus. But I suppose since it's Cerberus, that makes it okay. Second, it doesn't matter what their reasons were, they were still willing to kill or extort innocent people to get what they wanted. And that "I'm just like Cerberus" was so obviously intended to get me angry, it failed hard.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sole Survivor? You mean corporal Toombs? Too bad the guy got himself killed when refused to follow my order to lay down his weapon. But as far as I could understand out of his incoherent speech there, from the fact that the scientists contracted by Cerberus had experimented on him, he had jumped to the conclusion that the Akuze incident had been masterminded by Cerberus all along.

Even if so, I'm not the one complaining, because after Akuze the Alliance Marines were equipped with M35 "Mako" IFVs, that performed brilliantly against thresher maws on multiple occasions, including several with my own participation.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you willingly killed Toombs even when you knew what happened to him? What the hell are you talking about, incoherent speech?

[Zulu_DFA]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

1. *shrugs*

2. *shrugs again*. That amounts to treason from the military standpoint. Maybe from humanitarian or some other crappy standpoint it's fair and swell to give away secrets of your high command, but it still gets you killed.

3. I was not trying to make you angry. Just pull you from your "higher moral ground" and show you that like it or not, Cerberus aren't that much diffeent from Commander Hub-of-the-Universe Shepard.

And yes, I shot Toombs. I told him to put his gun down, he refused and I shot him. Because he was about to shoot an Alliance scientist, who had worked on some classified project for the Alliance (that's Adm. Hackett's briefing). And, BTW, apparently Toombs had already murdered some such scientists prior to the ongoing incident. With the help of a mercenary band that included krogans and turians. And there were bodies of the scentist's team in the facility and at the entrance. With all that, Toombs would have lived, if he just put his pistol down as ordered.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 mai 2010 - 08:48 .

[Hadark]

I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned that it was the Alliance initially that starts up these programs or groups and that after Cerberus broke free The Alliance started the Corsairs (another black ops group)Large co.'s or Org's will always toss out the little guy to the wolves to keep from being blamed for anything.

[Jzadek72]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...
One word: Akuze

And?

Never played sole survivor? Because that's why both me and my character hates Cerberus. I want to continue working with them though. Good conflict.

Sole Survivor? You mean corporal Toombs? Too bad the guy got himself killed when refused to follow my order to lay down his weapon. But as far as I could understand out of his incoherent speech there, from the fact that the scientists contracted by Cerberus had experimented on him, he had jumped to the conclusion that the Akuze incident had been masterminded by Cerberus all along.

Even if so, I'm not the one complaining, because after Akuze the Alliance Marines were equipped with M35 "Mako" IFVs, that performed brilliantly against thresher maws on multiple occasions, including several with my own participation.

Yes, it's a good thing people were masacred, now we have a better weapon. Cerberus aren't evil at all.

[ThisIsMadness91]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And yes, I shot Toombs. I told him to put his gun down, he refused and I shot him. Because he was about to shoot an Alliance scientist, who had worked on some classified project for the Alliance (that's Adm. Hackett's briefing). And, BTW, apparently Toombs had already murdered some such scientists prior to the ongoing incident. With the help of a mercenary band that included krogans and turians. And there were bodies of the scentist's team in the facility and at the entrance. With all that, Toombs would have lived, if he just put his pistol down as ordered.

But you can convince Toombs to stand down with a high enough Charm skill.

Perhaps Cerberus and I do have some things in common. We both want humanity to be well off in the galaxy, but we disagree when it comes to how we should achieve that.

[Some Dude]

*catches grenade and returns it to sender*

[C9316]

hmm... Cerberus=Human Supremacists, Supremacists=those who believe in the belief that a particular race, religion, gender, species, sexual orientation, belief system or culture is superior to others and entitles those who identify with it to dominate, control or rule those who do not. so................... Supremacists= KKK, ****s, Al-Queda, Taliban therefore Cerberus in a way is equal to KKK, ****s, Al-Queda, Taliban IMO thats why I hate cerberus

[Steel Dancer]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus did not turn the Chaska colony into husks! Simply not. Eat it and choke on it!

That's how it was. It was an ExoGeni colony. They found the Dragon Teeth. Reported to ExoGeni HQ on Feros. Cerberus caught the word and sent an operative to acquire the "samples". The operative landed on Chasca, grabbed the "samples" and flew away. Then the colony fully fell under indoctrination and turned into husks. Just like another ExoGeni team on planet Trebin.

Now go scrub your mind off the walls.

So they stood by and let it happen? Didn't do anything to warn anyone or try and prevent it? 

Man those Cerberus guys are such utter bastards.

[GreenDragon37]

C9316 wrote...

hmm... Cerberus=Human Supremacists, Supremacists=those who believe in the belief that a particular race, religion, gender, species, sexual orientation, belief system or culture is superior to others and entitles those who identify with it to dominate, control or rule those who do not. so................... Supremacists= KKK, ****s, Al-Queda, Taliban therefore Cerberus in a way is equal to KKK, ****s, Al-Queda, Taliban IMO thats why I hate cerberus

Yeah, this is one of the reasons why I hate them too. Also, their "ends justify the means" mantra. Ugh!

[GreenDragon37]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...
One word: Akuze

And?

Never played sole survivor? Because that's why both me and my character hates Cerberus. I want to continue working with them though. Good conflict.

Sole Survivor? You mean corporal Toombs? Too bad the guy got himself killed when refused to follow my order to lay down his weapon. But as far as I could understand out of his incoherent speech there, from the fact that the scientists contracted by Cerberus had experimented on him, he had jumped to the conclusion that the Akuze incident had been masterminded by Cerberus all along.

Even if so, I'm not the one complaining, because after Akuze the Alliance Marines were equipped with M35 "Mako" IFVs, that performed brilliantly against thresher maws on multiple occasions, including several with my own participation.

So? Cerberus sent those marines, not just marines HUMAN MARINES to their deaths just so they could get a new toy!? **** Cerberus. How can they claim to protect humanity if they are willing to sacrifice the very people they want to protect? Cerberus saw those men as expendable. They don't care about freaking LIVES! This is why I hate Cerberus. They don't care about Humanity, they only want power. And if anyone, even humans, get in their way, so they die. Freaking animals! And Human supremecists at that, they are unbelieveable!

[C9316]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...
One word: Akuze

And?

Never played sole survivor? Because that's why both me and my character hates Cerberus. I want to continue working with them though. Good conflict.

Sole Survivor? You mean corporal Toombs? Too bad the guy got himself killed when refused to follow my order to lay down his weapon. But as far as I could understand out of his incoherent speech there, from the fact that the scientists contracted by Cerberus had experimented on him, he had jumped to the conclusion that the Akuze incident had been masterminded by Cerberus all along.

Even if so, I'm not the one complaining, because after Akuze the Alliance Marines were equipped with M35 "Mako" IFVs, that performed brilliantly against thresher maws on multiple occasions, including several with my own participation.

So? Cerberus sent those marines, not just marines HUMAN MARINES to their deaths just so they could get a new toy!? **** Cerberus. How can they claim to protect humanity if they are willing to sacrifice the very people they want to protect? Cerberus saw those men as expendable. They don't care about freaking LIVES! This is why I hate Cerberus. They don't care about Humanity, they only want power. And if anyone, even humans, get in their way, so they die. Freaking animals! And Human supremecists at that, they are unbelieveable!

this I believe completely kudos Green Dragon you have my respect