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[Teknor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

superimposed wrote...

No.

No what? Is it 20 times?

BAaT, L2 biotics abuse, AI research, Torfan, Corsair, Lord Darrius, Akuze (& other early Cerbs stuff), Kaije Okuda's secrets, Shepard of the recruitment posters, no reaction to breakaway colonies' disappearences, compliance with Council's Reaper cover-up...

Shall I continue?

I wouldn't say 20 times, they sound roughly equal at ruthlessness. 

[RiouHotaru]

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

superimposed wrote...

No.

No what? Is it 20 times?

BAaT, L2 biotics abuse, AI research, Torfan, Corsair, Lord Darrius, Akuze (& other early Cerbs stuff), Kaije Okuda's secrets, Shepard of the recruitment posters, no reaction to breakaway colonies' disappearences, compliance with Council's Reaper cover-up...

Shall I continue?

I wouldn't say 20 times, they sound roughly equal at ruthlessness. 

Akuze can't be blamed on the Alliance, and how you can claim "other early Cerberus operations" fall on the Alliance's head is anyone's guess.  The "no reaction to disappearing colonies" is a blatant lie.  TIM states they didn't have the manpower to do a proper investigation, and as the colonies were out in the Terminus Systems, they can't go out in-force.  Not to mention a lot of those colonists seem to be there specifically to get AWAY from the alliance (ahem, Horizon?).  Also, compliance with the "cover-up" doesn't count.  You don't even have evidence there's a cover-up at all.  The Council is doing damage control and trying to avert a possible galactic panic.

Also, none of these compare to the vast majority of Cerberus ops, including Telfin, UNC: Hades' Dogs, UNC: Colony of the Dead, Overlord, Exogeni and the Thorian, not to mention Ascension and Retribution.  I'm sorry, there's just NO comparison.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Those who believe that supremacism is bad, imlpy that it's inferior to their own beliefs. That is their beliefs are superior to those of the supremacits. That they, goody-two-shoes tolerant liberals are superior to the KKK, NАZIs, Al-Qaida, the Commies, homophobes... etc. Liberals are supremacists!!!

This, Zulu, is Tosh. It is supreme Tosh. You know it is Tosh, but you regard banality as being worthy because its nets you attention.
You have only escaped being labeled a troll because people can't be bothered to read what you write, but feintly like that you are able to get some discussion going.

Indeed the positives for you are that your threads are lively. The negatives are that they are meaningless when you contribute.

[Teknor]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Akuze can't be blamed on the Alliance, and how you can claim "other early Cerberus operations" fall on the Alliance's head is anyone's guess.  The "no reaction to disappearing colonies" is a blatant lie.  TIM states they didn't have the manpower to do a proper investigation, and as the colonies were out in the Terminus Systems, they can't go out in-force.  Not to mention a lot of those colonists seem to be there specifically to get AWAY from the alliance (ahem, Horizon?).  Also, compliance with the "cover-up" doesn't count.  You don't even have evidence there's a cover-up at all.  The Council is doing damage control and trying to avert a possible galactic panic.

Also, none of these compare to the vast majority of Cerberus ops, including Telfin, UNC: Hades' Dogs, UNC: Colony of the Dead, Overlord, Exogeni and the Thorian, not to mention Ascension and Retribution.  I'm sorry, there's just NO comparison.

I agree, i just didn't delve deep because against people like Zulu, reason and evidence won't work.

[RiouHotaru]

Sadly, this is true. Again, I'm not sure if he's actually in Cerberus' corner, or if he's just being this way as an attempt to "balance" out the extreme behavior of the other corner, the Cerberus-hater fanatics. But extremes do not produce a balanced, neutral medium.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Sadly, this is true. Again, I'm not sure if he's actually in Cerberus' corner, or if he's just being this way as an attempt to "balance" out the extreme behavior of the other corner, the Cerberus-hater fanatics. But extremes do not produce a balanced, neutral medium.

I believe you meant to post this in the Talimancer thread... good luck with that btw ;-)

[RiouHotaru]

...Wait what? XD



Now I'm confused.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

They terminated the traitor by a lethal injection, then they were disposing of the remains. And maybe studying rachni reaction to dead humans, but in any case it wasn't experimentation on Kahoku.

Right, and he's the first dead body they could get ahold of to test this experiment, is he? Bah. Cerberus makes dead bodies like Marlboro makes cigarettes.

Marlboro doesn't make cigarettes.

Hmh, they do make cigarettes.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
This, Zulu, is Tosh. It is supreme Tosh. You know it is Tosh, but you regard banality as being worthy because its nets you attention.

Care to back that up with an acutal argument? I could say the same about your post the difference though would be that I'd point out how you didn't bother to deconstruct the point Zulu was making.

I actually really don't want to explain it, because Zulu would just continue to spout crap whether you logically oppose his points or not... it has nothing to do with backing up your argument when dealing with Zulu.. tbh, this should be reasonably clear by now: Zulu will just rant.

However Shand, since YOU asked:
Supremacist purpose is to dominate with their belief. The natural purpose of a liberal position is that people should free to choose and believe indepedantly.. you cease being liberal if you then seek to dominate with it. Calling liberals supremacist is like saying flying birds don't fly. It's an implicit contradiction, it's really that simple.

Of course, if your Zulu you can say that.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
I actually really don't want to explain it...

That is such a weak copout.

My friend, Shand, actually it's not.. You need to need to read the absolute crap that that guy has written on these forums lol. And it goes on for pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages.. and then its rehashed as spam rewrite lol

Beside that, consider it a point of friendship that I did explain it to you.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
My friend, Shand, actually it's not.

Yes it is. If Zulu's arguments hold no merit then dismantle them. Otherwise you should stay your hand.

Alternatively you can fight his fight for him. I guarantee you, he wouldn't bother, he'll just write **** and blah blah.
Do you really want to fight this one for him?

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Alternatively you can fight his fight for him. I guarantee you, he wouldn't bother, he'll just write **** and blah blah.
Do you really want to fight this one for him?

I don't see how that post by Zulu pointing out how ruthless the Alliance is was nothing but "tosh". There might be something I'm missing so I'm trying to persuade you to explain to me. Why is Zulu wrong?

Zulu is wrong because he asserts that "Liberals are supremacists!!!"
Tbh, can you not see that that is actually quite absurb... the 2 definition are just simply not even in the same ballpark.
Honestly this is just standard garbage for him.. he just rants and write abso crap all the time.
I would challenge you to actually find some quality that he can defend once you get past the "stream of consciousness" drivel.

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:52 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...
How do you manage to both quote and respond to my post whilst ignoring it at the same time?

You're right... I only give the subject as much deference as I give to it's author.
Can I just say though: Zulu asserts that the liberal view is worse than Hitler, the KKK and Al Quaida.
Seriously. Exactly how much does one even need to say?

I know what to say Shand: troll

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 13 juillet 2010 - 12:26 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Can I just say though: Zulu asserts that the liberal view is worse than Hitler, the KKK and Al Quaida.

Well liberals tend to be fairly sympathetic towards Al Qaeda and other Islamic militants, who themselves are rather sympathetic towards ****sm for its anti-Jewish beliefs. The ****s of-course are loved by the KKK. So I definitely see a connection there.

Those "connections" seem a litte tenuous.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Those "connections" seem a litte tenuous.

In the end, every last one of them is a threat to the country. Liberals just happen to be an internal danger.

Not sure how but... ok

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 13 juillet 2010 - 12:51 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Not sure how but... ok

Sedition. Anyone who wishes to see my country's interests abroad undermined is playing for the wrong team. Anyone who considers themselves a citizen of the world and not a citizen of my country is, agian, playing for the wrong team.

if those interests are provably criminal? You could be looking at sedition from 60% of your copatriots

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 13 juillet 2010 - 01:01 .