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[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
if those interests are provably criminal?

Under whose law?

Sure.... ... ... but then Bush was incredibly unpopular at the end of his presidency.. the reason: his values were frowned upon as failing to be equivocal to the population... equivocation to the population is a floating point on a spectrum.

What follows from that is whether you regard international law as being equivocal.... (and of course, whether you regard domestic law to be a suitable precis for civil behaviour)... You're not about to tell me that you'll happily apply 2 sets of moral conduct - one for home, one for abroad, are you?

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 13 juillet 2010 - 01:12 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
What follows from that is whether you regard international law as being equivocal....

I don't. American law trumps international law as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not sure what Bush's popularity has to do with anything though.
One could argue his actions were not in America's favor, perhaps intentionally so, but if that is the case I assure you it had nothing to do with international law and everything to do with money.

I agree it was about money, but why would America not be happy if he acted for money? Are you saying you have values?

[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

They terminated the traitor by a lethal injection, then they were disposing of the remains. And maybe studying rachni reaction to dead humans, but in any case it wasn't experimentation on Kahoku.

Right, and he's the first dead body they could get ahold of to test this experiment, is he? Bah. Cerberus makes dead bodies like Marlboro makes cigarettes.

Marlboro doesn't make cigarettes.

Hmh, they do make cigarettes.

No.  Zulu is actually right on this one.  Marlboro is a brand, not a company.   Honestly, I'm not sure why you're linking to that wiki article, given that the first two sentences are:

Marlboro is the largest selling brand of cigarettes  in the world. It is made by Philip Morris USA (a branch of Altria) within the US, and by Philip Morris International (now separate from Altria) outside the US.

Or, in other words:  "Marlboro doesn't make cigarettes."

[lucylips000]

I wish the alliance would catch a grenade!

[CroGamer002]

didymos1120 wrote...

No.  Zulu is actually right on this one.  Marlboro is a brand, not a company.   Honestly, I'm not sure why you're linking to that wiki article, given that the first two sentences are:

Marlboro is the largest selling brand of cigarettes  in the world. It is made by Philip Morris USA (a branch of Altria) within the US, and by Philip Morris International (now separate from Altria) outside the US.

Or, in other words:  "Marlboro doesn't make cigarettes."

Well time to refresh my English then.

Modifié par Mesina2, 13 juillet 2010 - 03:34 .

[FourSixEight]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Alternatively you can fight his fight for him. I guarantee you, he wouldn't bother, he'll just write **** and blah blah.
Do you really want to fight this one for him?

I don't see how that post by Zulu pointing out how ruthless the Alliance is was nothing but "tosh". There might be something I'm missing so I'm trying to persuade you to explain to me. Why is Zulu wrong?

Zulu is wrong because he asserts that "Liberals are supremacists!!!"

Why am I not surprised?

[Zulu_DFA]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Zulu asserts that the liberal view is worse than Hitler, the KKK and Al Quaida.

No, Zulu can't be KKK, or he wouldn't call himself "Zulu". Because the Zulus are n... you know, from Africa.

And TBH, I think you intentionally (supremacistically) pervert by words. I didn't say that the liberal views were worse than any of those that the liberals regard as bad. I said, that they were just as good and supremacist as any of those openly supremacist. To make it short: the KKK thinks that the WASPs should be in power, the Taliban thinks that the Muslim muftis should be in power, and the liberals think that the liberals should be in power. Liberals in power are, of course, unaccebtable to any non-liberal minority, and therefore these minorities must be supressed to insure the prevalence of the liberal values. Can't really blame the liberals for that. It's just how politics work, nothing more.

But never mind, it's all "tosh" to you, my dear liberal supremacist.

didymos1120 wrote...
Zulu is actually right on this one.

[astonished uncertainty] Zulu is right?

[hopeless desperation] Something must have gone horribly wrong in the Danish kingdom.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Zulu asserts that the liberal view is worse than Hitler, the KKK and Al Quaida.

No, Zulu can't be KKK, or he wouldn't call himself "Zulu". Because the Zulus are n... you know, from Africa.
And TBH, I think you intentionally (supremacistically) pervert by words. I didn't say that the liberal views were worse than any of those that the liberals regard as bad. I said, that they were just as good and supremacist as any of those openly supremacist. To make it short: the KKK thinks that the WASPs should be in power, the Taliban thinks that the Muslim muftis should be in power, and the liberals think that the liberals should be in power. Liberals in power are, of course, unaccebtable to any non-liberal minority, and therefore these minorities must be supressed to insure the prevalence of the liberal values. Can't really blame the liberals for that. It's just how politics work, nothing more.
But never mind, it's all "tosh" to you, my dear liberal supremacist.

didymos1120 wrote...
Zulu is actually right on this one.

[astonished uncertainty] Zulu is right?
[hopeless desperation] Something must have gone horribly wrong in the Danish kingdom.

Ok, so references to Hamlet maybe hearten you to back your words down a little knowing that they are indeed a little silly... though I'm not sure if he would have used the word "sumpremacistically" quite aswell as you have.

[Arijharn]

Wait, what am I missing when someone said you can't blame Akuze on the alliance when:

1) They are alliance marines

2) Cerberus hadn't gone rogue (working on the assumption that they are now).



So, if cerberus hadn't gone rogue and thus where still part of the Alliance, then doesn't that mean that Alliance therefore gave the order (to paint cerberus in the most negative light possible;) to experiment on their own soldiers?



Why oh why did I get dragged back into this convo?

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Arijharn wrote...

Wait, what am I missing when someone said you can't blame Akuze on the alliance when:
1) They are alliance marines
2) Cerberus hadn't gone rogue (working on the assumption that they are now).

So, if cerberus hadn't gone rogue and thus where still part of the Alliance, then doesn't that mean that Alliance therefore gave the order (to paint cerberus in the most negative light possible;) to experiment on their own soldiers?

Why oh why did I get dragged back into this convo?

You will find Zulu's answers here.

[Bluko]

Hmm it is difficult to determine Cerberus' true nature. For this matter I must summonth my Baldur's Gate Paladin...

*Detects Evil*



*Cerberus-Evil*



"I WILL DESTROY YOU!"

[Arijharn]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Wait, what am I missing when someone said you can't blame Akuze on the alliance when:
1) They are alliance marines
2) Cerberus hadn't gone rogue (working on the assumption that they are now).

So, if cerberus hadn't gone rogue and thus where still part of the Alliance, then doesn't that mean that Alliance therefore gave the order (to paint cerberus in the most negative light possible;) to experiment on their own soldiers?

Why oh why did I get dragged back into this convo?

You will find Zulu's answers here.

I get this impression that you didn't read what I typed up at all, because you know I specifically said assuming against everything Zulu believes and merely stating what others believe at face value (ie, they went rogue).

But to rise to the bait though, you know there is nothing intrinsically wrong by sending marines into hostile locations/environments. That's what they're there for, that's what they've given their oath to do. Besides, the whole 'sole survivor' background is (wait for it) totally devoid of real substance. It's utterly retarded to just accept Corporal Toombs word as fact and only the fact. That doesn't remove the possibility that it is infact the whole truth, but I think you see my point.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Arijharn wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Wait, what am I missing when someone said you can't blame Akuze on the alliance when:
1) They are alliance marines
2) Cerberus hadn't gone rogue (working on the assumption that they are now).

So, if cerberus hadn't gone rogue and thus where still part of the Alliance, then doesn't that mean that Alliance therefore gave the order (to paint cerberus in the most negative light possible;) to experiment on their own soldiers?

Why oh why did I get dragged back into this convo?

You will find Zulu's answers here.

I get this impression that you didn't read what I typed up at all, because you know I specifically said assuming against everything Zulu believes and merely stating what others believe at face value (ie, they went rogue).

But to rise to the bait though, you know there is nothing intrinsically wrong by sending marines into hostile locations/environments. That's what they're there for, that's what they've given their oath to do. Besides, the whole 'sole survivor' background is (wait for it) totally devoid of real substance. It's utterly retarded to just accept Corporal Toombs word as fact and only the fact. That doesn't remove the possibility that it is infact the whole truth, but I think you see my point.

I read that part again and I don't know, that's why I gave you that link. I get this impression that you didn't look at the link. You will find the Akuza mission brought up several times and he has responses, but I think you see my point.

[RiouHotaru]

Zulu's "responses" to Akuze are lacking rather severely in anything solid. He tries to downgrade the Cerberus involvement, and state that although you can convince Toombs to stand down (which in ME2 reveals that Cerberus DID have a hand in Akuze) that somehow not believing Toombs and shooting him invalidates the evidence that a Paragon player might uncover. But then, Zulu doesn't seem to like Paragons much.

[Zulu_DFA]

Zulu does not try to downgrade the Cerberus involvement in the Akuze. He only points out that Cerberus involvement in the Akuze was fully under the auspices of the Systems Alliance, as evidenced by Hackett's calling Dr. Wayne and his collegues "Alliance scientists".

[RiouHotaru]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Zulu does not try to downgrade the Cerberus involvement in the Akuze. He only points out that Cerberus involvement in the Akuze was fully under the auspices of the Systems Alliance, as evidenced by Hackett's calling Dr. Wayne and his collegues "Alliance scientists".

Alliance scientists who happen to be Cerberus plants, ME2 states in the news-blurb that Dr. Wayne was offered immunity for his testimony against the terrorist organization known as Cerberus.  Dr. Wayne was merely posing as a Alliance scientist.

[Asheer_Khan]

raptor1906 wrote...

Join Cerberus, support humanity! And the galaxy is ours! We deserve it

Only thing what Cerberus deserve is put back on the leash... because so far he is veery bad doggie

[Arijharn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Zulu does not try to downgrade the Cerberus involvement in the Akuze. He only points out that Cerberus involvement in the Akuze was fully under the auspices of the Systems Alliance, as evidenced by Hackett's calling Dr. Wayne and his collegues "Alliance scientists".

Alliance scientists who happen to be Cerberus plants, ME2 states in the news-blurb that Dr. Wayne was offered immunity for his testimony against the terrorist organization known as Cerberus.  Dr. Wayne was merely posing as a Alliance scientist.

Wow, rose tinted glasses and then some. Why of course, the Systems Alliance couldn't possibly do wrong. Nope, not one iota.