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[Addai]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Don't you grow up without the knowledge that you're a keepers child though?

You don't know how your parents died, but I don't recall that you know nothing about them.

[Addai]

Yes you do have to RP around the Circle mage stuff, but after some dozen playthroughs I can do that without too much fuss.

[Russalka]

Maybe the mage specific dialogue can be roleplayed, that the Dalish elf really did get dumped at the tower out of necessity and then eventually escaped after having trained a bit. There were no other clans nearby back then and there already was a First, but as the character returns,he or she might be able to apprentice with another Keeper, but then the darkspawn trouble starts.

[Addai]

Russalka wrote...

Maybe the mage specific dialogue can be roleplayed, that the Dalish elf really did get dumped at the tower out of necessity and then eventually escaped after having trained a bit. There were no other clans nearby back then and there already was a First, but as the character returns,he or she might be able to apprentice with another Keeper, but then the darkspawn trouble starts.

I think you could do that.  Not that the child was voluntarily given over, but taken by templars or whatever.  Similar to Aneirin's situation.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Would be good if we could add a bit of dialogue that addresses the fact that you were an apostate, but that as a grey warden you are free

[Addai]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Would be good if we could add a bit of dialogue that addresses the fact that you were an apostate, but that as a grey warden you are free

If you play a blood mage, you could get the optional fix that puts the blood magic confrontation back into the Broken Circle quest.

There are a couple dialogues about Morrigan being an apostate, but it's hardly a big issue for her, either.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I suspect that even though all Keepers/Keeper's firsts that we see in the game are mages that it's not a strict requirement for the position - as you say, Lanaya says that she had to compete for the position. That either means that many of the Dalish have magical aptitude or else it's not a requirement. And if many do have the aptitude it would appear that most don't use it, as the only mages we see who are obviously such are the Keeper and his/her first.

I'm resurrecting this a bit, but today I re-read the part in the The Stolen Throne where Loghain and Maric encounter the Dalish and I was struck by some of the differences between the Dalish in the book and what we see in-game.  Only the hunters and guards are described as wearing "dark leathers," and everyone else is said to be wearing colorful robes.  This doesn't mean that there are multiple mages in a clan, but sometimes people will argue that there are only 1 or 2 per clan because in the game you only see the keeper and the first wearing robes.  Whereas in reality they're (almost) all supposed to be wearing robes. 

The elven man who approaches Loghain and Maric is described as wearing a robe with more elaborate designs than the others have, a leather cloak, and an amulet that Loghain recognizes as magical.  So I'm guessing that he is a keeper or first, though it doesn't come out and say that. You can only infer that he is someone who deals with humans more than others, because his king's tongue is fluent and unaccented and he tells them that that's the case for elves who have dealings with humans.

Just some interesting observations.

Also, if anyone is interested, I posted a short video of Morrigan talking to my Dalish PC about shapeshifting magic and the Dalish use of it.  My PC is a shapeshifter, so I was hoping to get some unique dialogue with her about being a shapeshifter, but no dice unfortunately.  I guess the game assumes that a mage could only learn this from Morrigan.

Modifié par Addai67, 26 mai 2010 - 09:20 .

[Addai]

Oh, also, I have a general question about the Dalish to put to other elf-friends. 

Doesn't it seem odd that the main dwelling of the Dalish is said to be aravels, rather than say, a tent or a yurt type dwelling?  Just how are the halla pulling wagons through thick forests?  I can't imagine that the Dalish move around by using the main highways.

[Sandtigress]

I don't think that the Dalish necessarily hang out in the woods all the time though - they just travel. There was some thing about the land sails of the aravels blowing in the wind as they travel along the plains somewhere.



lol Alistair does have that one statement "How exactly do they move these things? Do the trees just get out of their way?"





And on the scene in TST, I've always imagined my Dalish having a soft accent - that she speaks King's tongue well enough, but accented. I don't know why I like that idea so much, but I really do.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I don't think that the Dalish necessarily hang out in the woods all the time though - they just travel. There was some thing about the land sails of the aravels blowing in the wind as they travel along the plains somewhere.

lol Alistair does have that one statement "How exactly do they move these things? Do the trees just get out of their way?"

Heh, I had forgotten that.  I guess we only encounter them in forests, but that doesn't mean they only stay there.  I guess the sails are to aid movement?  That was something else I wasn't clear on.

And on the scene in TST, I've always imagined my Dalish having a soft accent - that she speaks King's tongue well enough, but accented. I don't know why I like that idea so much, but I really do.

Me too!

The situation of how much the Dalish interact with humans seems a little confused to me.  On the one hand, the guy in TST says that all the elves speak the king's tongue, and they trade frequently it seems.  OTOH, in the city elf origin, the elves are debating whether the Dalish even exist, and it's apparent that both Maric and Loghain have never actually seen any Dalish though they both grew up in the wilderness to a large extent.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

I don't think that the Dalish necessarily hang out in the woods all the time though - they just travel. There was some thing about the land sails of the aravels blowing in the wind as they travel along the plains somewhere.

lol Alistair does have that one statement "How exactly do they move these things? Do the trees just get out of their way?"

Heh, I had forgotten that.  I guess we only encounter them in forests, but that doesn't mean they only stay there.  I guess the sails are to aid movement?  That was something else I wasn't clear on.

I'm not sure they're there for anything more than decoration...it would make things harder for the halla to pull if you also had really functional sails, right?  Maybe semi-functional, so they eased some of the load but otherwise didn't do much, I could see.

And on the scene in TST, I've always imagined my Dalish having a soft accent - that she speaks King's tongue well enough, but accented. I don't know why I like that idea so much, but I really do.

Me too!

The situation of how much the Dalish interact with humans seems a little confused to me.  On the one hand, the guy in TST says that all the elves speak the king's tongue, and they trade frequently it seems.  OTOH, in the city elf origin, the elves are debating whether the Dalish even exist, and it's apparent that both Maric and Loghain have never actually seen any Dalish though they both grew up in the wilderness to a large extent.

Maybe it's more like no one sees the Dalish except who they want to see them.  So outlying villages that they might trade with would see them, but not people like the city elves or even the human armies/refugees, unless there was a reason for the Dalish to seek them out.

[Sandtigress]

So a question. Following Addai's lead I was flipping through Stolen Throne again and the Dalish scene there. Gaider describes the aravels as having sails and something that looks like rudder, and the whole thing having an elongated shape, i.e. very boat-like. So do you think it's plausible they actually use the land-ships as actual ships as well, in the instance of river/lake/sea crossings? I can't imagine why else they would want something like rudders on them.

[Sandtigress]

So here's a thought. Lanaya says that the Keepers usually descend from the purest and oldest of the Dalish bloodlines. It also seems that, at least of the four Keepers/Firsts we are introduced to, they often seem to be mages. It may even be a requirement for the position.

The Dalish were once the royalty of the Elvhenan - those who became the city elves were apparently amongst the lower class citizens.

So putting all of that together, does it seem like the rulers of elven royalty were apparently mages, or at least often mages? Or could it be perhaps that because Keepers keep the old lore, which includes the old magic, that magic has been bred into the older families from which the Keepers are often drawn?

Thoughts?

[Sandtigress]

Annnnd, a double post thanks to slow internet.  <_<

Modifié par Sandtigress, 09 juin 2010 - 09:04 .

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

So a question. Following Addai's lead I was flipping through Stolen Throne again and the Dalish scene there. Gaider describes the aravels as having sails and something that looks like rudder, and the whole thing having an elongated shape, i.e. very boat-like. So do you think it's plausible they actually use the land-ships as actual ships as well, in the instance of river/lake/sea crossings? I can't imagine why else they would want something like rudders on them.

I suppose it's possible, for fording rivers if nothing else.

I didn't see this question earlier, sorry.  And we discussed this topic a bit on the Alistair thread, but I'll re-cap here.  In Awakening I noticed that an aravel had a canopy that appeared to extend its living area a bit.  So I figure that the "sail" could serve that purpose as well as acting as an awning to protect the wagon.


I'll point out the yurt-type structures again.  At first I was thinking these were unique to Awakening, but my last time in Zathrian's camp I see they have them there, too.  Just not the pretty, colorful kilim rugs.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...
So putting all of that together, does it seem like the rulers of elven royalty were apparently mages, or at least often mages? Or could it be perhaps that because Keepers keep the old lore, which includes the old magic, that magic has been bred into the older families from which the Keepers are often drawn?
Thoughts?

It certainly seems to point to that.  Which adds to my curiosity about whether they had anything to do with creating the darkspawn.

Since this thread has been necro'ed, I'll mention here for anyone who's interested that I've been writing a few stories based on my Dalish mage character.  In part because the roleplay has interested me so much, in part because the fact that it's a mod and not fleshed out in the game sort of demands some extra explanation.  The nanny filter here at work doesn't like ffnet (all that smut, apparently  LOL), but I update a Community Creations page here.

For general Dalish interest, I have also been trying to make some videos of the Dalish-specific interactions you get in the game.