75 réponses à ce sujet

[Sarah1281]

Yeah, Wynne isn't allowed to go to certain areas of the game. Like I suspect she's racist against elves and has something against male elves in specific so she's only allowed in the Brecillian Forest to find Aneirin and then she goes back to camp and she, Alistair, and Leliana have to wait outside of Orzammar so the dwarves don't try to deal with him instead and nobody lectures me about being a horrible person during the succession quest.

[Sarah1281]

She gets upset if you want to sell out Harrowmont to side with Bhelen or if you just want to side with Bhelen in general, especially if you're a DN because then he's already betrayed you once before. Plus, you can imagine all the dirty things you have to do in dwarven politics would make her just non-stop complain about it.



There are several things that point to her being racist against elves and hating on les in particular but you could rationalize them away. She's more upset at you dating Zevran than anyone else even though Leliana was a killer, too, and Morriga is an apostate. She approves of deflowering Gheyna but disapproves for Cammen. Meeting Aneirin (who she drove away) she appears to have learned nothing and wants to take away from his nice, peaceful existance to return him to the Templars who called him a blood mage at fourteen and ran him through because 'the Circle needs [him].' Yeah, Irving tells her that, too, but does she let that stop her from following me around? No. When Caladrius offers to use blood magic to sacrifice the elves she says not to because blood magic is evil and nothing about the elves' welfare and you lose more approval by telling her to shut up but listening anyway then you do by actually sacrificing them. Not to mention she can be talked into going along with slaughtering the Dalish by telling her that it's not your job to save them. You think that line would work on, say, Leliana or Alistair?



Of course, Leliana is racist against elves as well which you find out if you are an elf and she talks to you about Orlesian elves but it isn't intentional and when you confront her about it she does make an effort to change.



I guess all of Wynne's BS concerning elves could be a coincidence but, well, there is an awful lot of it...

[Sarah1281]

I hate that we're supposed to assume she's wise because she's old but all she does is spout platitudes and not even appropriately! Do NOT tell my CE that her actions lead to Shianni's rape or my DC that she's failing her family, for instance, when they're at the Guardian. And don't even get me started with her flirting with Alistair at Ostagar or telling Loghain the Orlesian reoccupation would have been okay because at least there's peace!



And then there's her 'Being a GW is the most important thing you could ever do ever so when this pesky Blight is cleared up come back to the Tower' spiel she gives mages...

[Sarah1281]

I like Bioware games because you can choose the dialogue. That's the biggest draw over other companies that don't always let you do that.

[Avilia]

Ah Wynne - bane of my playing existence.



Let's just say that somehow Wynne finds out that Morrigan is an apostate and never makes it out of the Tower alive.



Not sure how that happens ;-)

[Sarah1281]

You've got to wonder, when Wynne accuses you of being a blood mage and Irving and Greagoir believe that you are but are willing to ignore it if you don't admit to it and then Wynne asks to go with you...do either of them ever actually expect to see her alive again?

[Nuclear]

I didn't even manage to get Wynne on my first playthrough. Why? Because I brought Morrigan with me. Don't be so judgemental Wynne, she was trying to save your damn tower from demons and blood mages.
You know what I find funny? Making Wynne a blood mage herself

[old book]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I hate that we're supposed to assume she's wise because she's old but all she does is spout platitudes and not even appropriately! Do NOT tell my CE that her actions lead to Shianni's rape or my DC that she's failing her family, for instance, when they're at the Guardian. And don't even get me started with her flirting with Alistair at Ostagar or telling Loghain the Orlesian reoccupation would have been okay because at least there's peace!

And then there's her 'Being a GW is the most important thing you could ever do ever so when this pesky Blight is cleared up come back to the Tower' spiel she gives mages...

I think of Wynne as a traumatized self hating prison camp survivor. It makes her much more convincing as a character.

[BHRamsay]

old book wrote...

Said it in another thread, but I'm betting Morrigan bullied him into every Evil decision. No warden = she gets to mock and push him around without mercy. Either that or without the Warden, Goldana turned him into a completely bitter jerk.

Yet another reason to hate Goldanna --- lets just pretend this showed up in the most recent Goldanna thread and move on.

no thread -jacker am I

[BHRamsay]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Sarah, I think the Cammen thing is a bug, but you are right about the rest. You'd think she'd have less reason to be racist since she has lived with elves in close quarters all of her life, unlike most humans.

Oh it's a bug alright but until BW patches it we have to find an in-universe explination. Such thinkin is what allows the Star Wars ex-universe to grow and mutate spawing ideas that are occasionally much cooler then the source material    (ie. KOTOR)

[LadyRae9]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Here is a question that I've had...(and the recent DLC has just brought it back to me). Out of all the darkspawn why are the shrieks the most alien-looking? If I didn't know from lore that they were elven darkspawn, it would have taken me awhile to figure it out on my own (and when I did it would have been through the process of elimination), because at least genlocks and hurlocks resemble dwarves and humans to some extent. Of course ogres have the same problem. I had no idea they came from Qunari until I read it somewhere. I guess shrieks can be explained by the recessive elven gene, but what about ogres? Did the design come first and then someone decided that they came from Qunari, or were they designed that way with their origin in mind? Shrieks are so disturbing. I have no problem killing them, I hate how different they are from elves.

Maybe because Elves - as they were originally, before becoming slaves - were so different from the other races. They were practically immortal, maybe that affected how they were changed *shrug*

To me Ogres are the most alien. They are sooooo much bigger than Qunari and, in my opinion, more alien looking than the Shrieks.

But then Genlocks and Hurlocks are quite believable as coming from Dwarves & Humans.

[Sarah1281]

dream_operator23 wrote...
As I said eariler in the thread, I am playing a blood mage right now. I was so looking forward to being confronted in the Circle Tower because I had read so much about it, but I never got accused! I wonder what I did wrong...

You didn't do anything wrong. It was cut so you need a mod to get that confrontation back in the game.

Maybe because Elves - as they were originally, before becoming slaves - were so different from the other races. They were practically immortal, maybe that affected how they were changed *shrug*

To me Ogres are the most alien. They are sooooo much bigger than Qunari and, in my opinion, more alien looking than the Shrieks.

But then Genlocks and Hurlocks are quite believable as coming from Dwarves & Humans.

I don't know. I think the elven longevity was more magic than anything else. If anything, the fact that the dwarves are the only creatures known to not go into the Fade or be able to produce mages would set them apart but that doesn't seem to affect the darkspawn dwarven broodmothers produce.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 23 mai 2010 - 06:09 .

[Verly]

I have a very additive personality, it's why I don't dare touch drugs or alcohol, but certain video games. gah, I can get so addicted I barely do anything else. not good for the head or the body (as I have a problem with depression and hiding in games is not a way to deal with that), but DA. I think it's a game that is built to be an addiction. lol mine at the moment is *creating* more characters then actually playing them. I finely finished my first game on PC (I had it on PS3 first) and have 12 more characters waiting around. lol and I have ideas for even more.

[old book]

Sarah1281 wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...
As I said eariler in the thread, I am playing a blood mage right now. I was so looking forward to being confronted in the Circle Tower because I had read so much about it, but I never got accused! I wonder what I did wrong...

You didn't do anything wrong. It was cut so you need a mod to get that confrontation back in the game.

Maybe because Elves - as they were originally, before becoming slaves - were so different from the other races. They were practically immortal, maybe that affected how they were changed *shrug*

To me Ogres are the most alien. They are sooooo much bigger than Qunari and, in my opinion, more alien looking than the Shrieks.

But then Genlocks and Hurlocks are quite believable as coming from Dwarves & Humans.

I don't know. I think the elven longevity was more magic than anything else. If anything, the fact that the dwarves are the only creatures known to not go into the Fade or be able to produce mages would set them apart but that doesn't seem to affect the darkspawn dwarven broodmothers produce.

In-game, the Taint is supposed to provide a link to the Fade, allowing Genlocks to use Magic even if Dwarves can't. Dwarven Grey Wardens also gain the ability to dream, something that regular Dwarves lack.

Kind of makes me want to use the Metagame Items mod to turn my Dwarf into a Mage after the joining.

I've wondered about how insect-like the Shrieks are myself. Maybe it's something to do with the mutable nature of elven genetics. The Taint can more fully express itself with an Elf than with a Dwarf or Human.

[phaonica]

I have a very additive personality, it's why I don't dare touch drugs or alcohol, but certain video games. gah, I can get so addicted I barely do anything else. not good for the head or the body (as I have a problem with depression and hiding in games is not a way to deal with that), but DA. I think it's a game that is built to be an addiction. lol mine at the moment is *creating* more characters then actually playing them. I finely finished my first game on PC (I had it on PS3 first) and have 12 more characters waiting around. lol and I have ideas for even more.

I'm the exact same way! I get totally addicted to things like video games or mangas or books. I'll obsess over something until I find something new to obsess over. I play DA way too much. Like you said, it's almost as though DA was tailor-made to feed my addiction (it taps into my favorite things to obsess over).

I'm a pretty casual gamer, all things considered. I like to play an RPG to get the story, and then when I get to the end, I go on to another game. I do not do the 'collect them all' thing on achievements or sidequests or anything. I haven't played a game this much since Morrowind. In Morrowind, though, I was mostly exploring the world, and in this game every time I play I learn more about the story and the characters.

[Verly]

I, like, HAVE to get all the achievements or I don't "win" lol

[Nuclear]

I, like, HAVE to get all the achievements or I don't "win" lol

But what do you do after you've got them all? Reset the entire thing to get them all again? Believe me I know people who do that all the time....

[Verly]

oh, no of course not. then I just have fun making up new characters and playing the game in my preferred way.