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[Costin_Razvan]

Remember the part where she has Alistair at - 90 Approval

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2010 - 11:26 .

[Sarah1281]

He won't marry you if you're at, what, -25 approval, right? So why would he be willing to let you talk him into marrying Loghain's daughter?

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And you are right inso far that Anora and Alistair are the only ones who can get their claims legitimized by a majority of the Landsmeet. The nobles can be pushed into accepting making Alistair a legitimate heir or into accepting the Queen as the new monarch, but that is all they will tolerate.

Doubt it. I mean certainly there are limits ( like accepting someone from a different race or a mage ), but I do think they would tolerate if Cousland/Loghain/Eamon took the throne. They all have a claim for the throne to a degree.

By winning the duel, you basically have a great deal of power in making that choice. Should the nobles accept it in the years to come is a very different thing.

By winning the duel and usually the fight before (only when I sided with Anora I won the Landsmeet) you clearly show everyone "I rule, you obey or die". I find it a bit annoying that this doesn´t go as far as to make you king.

Another thing that annoys me is that Anora is actually interested in marrying an Elf PC but too cowardly ("The nobles will never accept it!" blablabla.... Bullsh!t)

[Costin_Razvan]

Well...the situation in Fereldan is very unstable as it is Tirigon. Marrying a different race would most likely start another civil war.

I would SOO do it on my dwarf noble though.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2010 - 11:35 .

[Sarah1281]

No, Anora isn't interested in marrying anybody ever. She'll marry Alistair or a HNM if it gets her her throne. Note that if you arrange to marry her but don't announce it at the Landsmeet she won't go through with it.

[Costin_Razvan]

You have not seen her reaction to your suggestion she marry you as another race then Human.

[Xandurpein]

Sarah1281 wrote...

A lot of people don't trust her because one dialogue choice at Howe's estate has her promise to support you no matter what and if you tell her that you're going with Alistair then she says she's okay with it but unless you promise to support her she supports Loghain even though she insists he needs to be stopped.

This is true. She thinks she deserves the throne and she will lie to get it, if that is her only option. Personally I don't really hold it against her, as any promise given in Howe's estate is really made under duress, but I can understand why others would think so.

I try to think of it this way. What if the Warden and Alistair had been in prison and Anora had shown up saying she will free you, but only if you agree to support her claim for the throne, and this was the only way out. Would you feel bound by such a promise or not?

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

He won't marry you if you're at, what, -25 approval, right? So why would he be willing to let you talk him into marrying Loghain's daughter?

I can think of several reasons:

1) It´s best for Ferelden.
2) It unites the 2 most powerful noble lines of Ferelden
3) It allows him to have control over Ferelden if necessary, but he doesn´t need to rule most of the time since that´s done by Anora.

And last but not least:
4) It´s the only way Alistair will ever get laid outside of Fanfic:devil:

[Costin_Razvan]

4) It´s the only way Alistair will ever get laid outside of Fanfic

Wait...didn't you romance him in your other playthroughs?

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You have not seen her reaction to your suggestion she marry you as another race then Human.

There might be different ones, I don´t know.

I got:

Warden: What about you rule with a strong king besides you? (referring to PC; Alistair is the weak king)
Anora: Well that is certainly tempting but the nobles will never accept it.

[Xandurpein]

Sarah1281 wrote...

No, Anora isn't interested in marrying anybody ever. She'll marry Alistair or a HNM if it gets her her throne. Note that if you arrange to marry her but don't announce it at the Landsmeet she won't go through with it.

That is the same with Alistair as far as I know. This is not her or Alistair going back on a promise really. It's more that you decide if you want to marry her or not. It's just that they made it easy for themselves in programming the sequence.

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

4) It´s the only way Alistair will ever get laid outside of Fanfic

Wait...didn't you romance him in your other playthroughs?

That doesn´t count because it´s in another game. In these I didn´t propose to marry Anora becaue I won´t share with that b*tch.

[Sarah1281]

You have not seen her reaction to your suggestion she marry you as another race then Human.

So you're saying she has an elf/dwarf/mage fetish? She's probably just trying not ot ****** you off since she wants your support. Since the nobles won't accept it that's the only reason she really has to give.

1) It´s best for Ferelden.

2) It unites the 2 most powerful noble lines of Ferelden

3) It allows him to have control over Ferelden if necessary, but he doesn´t need to rule most of the time since that´s done by Anora.



And last but not least:

4) It´s the only way Alistair will ever get laid outside of Fanfic

The Mac Tirs aren't really a powerful noble line. They had one Teyrn and one Queen ever. To unite the most powerful nobles lines you'd need Cousland and Theirin. Alistair doesn't think Anora and Loghain's 'I'm the only one who ca save Ferelden so get out of my way' tendencies are a good thing and he could have his chancellor or non-Anora wife handle it.



And I'm not optimistic about Anora getting Alistair laid. There's always Morrigan, I suppose, but that might not work if he hates you.

[Sarah1281]

Xandurpein wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No, Anora isn't interested in marrying anybody ever. She'll marry Alistair or a HNM if it gets her her throne. Note that if you arrange to marry her but don't announce it at the Landsmeet she won't go through with it.

That is the same with Alistair as far as I know. This is not her or Alistair going back on a promise really. It's more that you decide if you want to marry her or not. It's just that they made it easy for themselves in programming the sequence.

No, Alistair says 'Sorry, I need babies' and you don't even get to broach the subject with him beforehand. With Anora, you can get her to agree to marry you but once she takes the throne without you she changes her mind. So the mechanics are the same for different reasons.

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Mac Tirs aren't really a powerful noble line. They had one Teyrn and one Queen ever.

Of course they are, because of Loghain. That´s the reason why you have to deal with Loghain in the Landsmeet. If the Mac Tirs were some unimportant house noone cares for you could simply have the crows assassinate them and ignore the entire conflict.


The Mac Tirs are not an old family, but Loghain´s work against Orlais made them one of the most important ones.

[Costin_Razvan]

So you're saying she has an elf/dwarf/mage fetish? She's probably just trying not ot ****** you off since she wants your support. Since the nobles won't accept it that's the only reason she really has to give.

What I am saying is that she only can love a man who is proven to be just or if not more capable then her father, which she hold as a bar for those seeking to marry her.

Her reaction to me as a dwarf was interesting, hinting she had an interest but couldn't do it as the Landsmeet would not accept another race, with simply no ties to the throne.

Loghain has very strong ties to iy, not just because of Anora, but also because of his past actions alongside Maric.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2010 - 11:51 .

[Xandurpein]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Mac Tirs aren't really a powerful noble line. They had one Teyrn and one Queen ever. To unite the most powerful nobles lines you'd need Cousland and Theirin. Alistair doesn't think Anora and Loghain's 'I'm the only one who ca save Ferelden so get out of my way' tendencies are a good thing and he could have his chancellor or non-Anora wife handle it.

It's not the two most powerful noble lines, but it's certainly the two most powerful political blocs in Fereldan. The suppoters for LOghain and Anora and the traditionalists led by Eamon who wants to see a Therin on the throne at any cost.

Even if Alistair/Cousland or Anora/Cousland have great potential, it will not unite all the factions of Ferelden in the same way as Alistair/Anora can.

[Costin_Razvan]

it will not unite all the factions of Ferelden in the same way as Alistair/Anora can.

And have a ruling duo that will not be happy with each other. As Knight pointed out, Alistair/Anora is a recipe for disaster since she clearly loves Loghain and he utterly despises him.

I firmly believe Anora/Cousland is the best ending. Followed by Anora solo for short term, and solo Alistair for long term. That I said I prefer giving her instead of him the crown, simply because most long term plans fail.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2010 - 11:57 .

[Xandurpein]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No, Anora isn't interested in marrying anybody ever. She'll marry Alistair or a HNM if it gets her her throne. Note that if you arrange to marry her but don't announce it at the Landsmeet she won't go through with it.

That is the same with Alistair as far as I know. This is not her or Alistair going back on a promise really. It's more that you decide if you want to marry her or not. It's just that they made it easy for themselves in programming the sequence.

No, Alistair says 'Sorry, I need babies' and you don't even get to broach the subject with him beforehand. With Anora, you can get her to agree to marry you but once she takes the throne without you she changes her mind. So the mechanics are the same for different reasons.

I still think it's more of a choice you have to make, and just somewhat clumsily implemented. I have to admit I have never played HNF, but I was assuming that you made a deal with Alistair before the Landsmeet to marry him. Are all those HNF marrying alistair just forcing him at gun point?

[Sarah1281]

Yes. Yes they are. They never mention it beforehand and he's like: 'She will? I mean... *cough* Yes, she will.' And then he confronts you with it afterwards. You have to have his approval at higher than -25.

[Costin_Razvan]

Wait...so you can't talk with him beforehand about marrying him?

[Sarah1281]

No and that's why there are so many HNF players who don't choose to go that route because they expected a dialogue at some point but there's just Alistair breaking it off. If he knows he can take the thone regardless, he won't marry someone he is not capable of having children with and you know what they say about two Wardens.

[Xandurpein]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

it will not unite all the factions of Ferelden in the same way as Alistair/Anora can.

And have a ruling duo that will not be happy with each other. As Knight pointed out, Alistair/Anora is a recipe for disaster since she clearly loves Loghain and he utterly despises him.

I firmly believe Anora/Cousland is the best ending. Followed by Anora solo for short term, and solo Alistair for long term. That I said I prefer giving her instead of him the crown, simply because most long term plans fail.

Anora/Cousland can be a very good alternative and it can be a total disaster. It really all depends on the Cousland.  The same goes for Alistair/Cousland ofc, although I think Anora has pretty big shoes to fill.

I agree that Anora and Alistair really don't seem to fit each other at all, but you can't really argue with the end cards. It seems pretty good to be honest.

It's also worth noting that Anora's attitude to Loghain is very different if he is alive or dead. If he is dead she'll buid a statue to commemorate his bravery, but if he is alive, she will have him sent away from Denerim. Personally I think she will make him a hero, when dead, partly for political reasons. If Loghain is remembered as a hero, then her reign will seem more secure. That is why solo Anora builds a statue.

[Costin_Razvan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

No and that's why there are so many HNF players who don't choose to go that route because they expected a dialogue at some point but there's just Alistair breaking it off. If he knows he can take the thone regardless, he won't marry someone he is not capable of having children with and you know what they say about two Wardens.

What does he say after you persuade him to marry you though?