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[kraidy1117]

DarthCaine wrote...

smudboy wrote...

It was Biowares' weakest story

NWN has a far worse story. I'm not sure whether JE's story was better than ME2's

I can name at least a 100 games with a worse story than ME2

Nah I found JE story to be very strong, KOTOR and BG2 had the best stories tho by far.

[Onyx Jaguar]

smudboy wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

If the sidequests offend you so much don't do them.

The quests themselves don't (aside from the recruitment, as they are plot integral); the reasoning behind them do (or lack thereof.)

A) You can do a favor for them
 You decline

The whole reasoning behind them was that you have time, once the IFF comes up you do not have time you should go and pick it up right away.  This is the major problem with the story strucutre that there is no incentive to get the IFF right away.

After you ge thte iFF you have time to do a mission as it installs.  It is a Gameplay mechanism

[Xan Kreigor Mk2]

smudboy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

LMAO, Smudboy you are a moron. ME2 plot was bad, but the worse? Not teven close. It might not have been Biowares strongest story but it is in no way one of the worse plots out there. How about you stop wasting people's life?

LMAO kraidy1117, you are a genius.  ME2's plot was brilliant, but the best?  Exactly correct. It was Biowares' weakest story, but it is in no way one of the best plots ouf there.  How about you start saving people's death?

I see what you did there! clever!  <.<

the story wasn't bad enough to make a documentary about it.  ill let u guys argue bout how bad it was, specifically

[BatarianBob]

smudboy wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Define Plot.

There you go.

Lol.

If the first one wasn't enough, definitely a butthurt fanfic writer.

[kraidy1117]

Taranatar9 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Define Plot.

There you go.

Lol.

If the first one wasn't enough, definitely a butthurt fanfic writer.

XD, a I am used to Smudboys whining.

[smudboy]

Xan Kreigor Mk2 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

LMAO, Smudboy you are a moron. ME2 plot was bad, but the worse? Not teven close. It might not have been Biowares strongest story but it is in no way one of the worse plots out there. How about you stop wasting people's life?

LMAO kraidy1117, you are a genius.  ME2's plot was brilliant, but the best?  Exactly correct. It was Biowares' weakest story, but it is in no way one of the best plots ouf there.  How about you start saving people's death?

I see what you did there! clever!  <.<

the story wasn't bad enough to make a documentary about it.  ill let u guys argue bout how bad it was, specifically

At least someone got it.

I can always rely on kraidy to call me names and have numerous victories in English.

[smudboy]

Taranatar9 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Define Plot.

There you go.

Lol.

If the first one wasn't enough, definitely a butthurt fanfic writer.

There's 6.  With the 1 of 6 from OP?  Thought you might've caught that.

I've never written a fanfic of Mass Effect.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Pfft. Your username should have been smugboy. Bioware can do no wrong except for the planet scanning. I mean, there's lots of headshots and 'SPLOSHUNS, right?

[kraidy1117]

smudboy wrote...

Xan Kreigor Mk2 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

LMAO, Smudboy you are a moron. ME2 plot was bad, but the worse? Not teven close. It might not have been Biowares strongest story but it is in no way one of the worse plots out there. How about you stop wasting people's life?

LMAO kraidy1117, you are a genius.  ME2's plot was brilliant, but the best?  Exactly correct. It was Biowares' weakest story, but it is in no way one of the best plots ouf there.  How about you start saving people's death?

I see what you did there! clever!  <.<

the story wasn't bad enough to make a documentary about it.  ill let u guys argue bout how bad it was, specifically

At least someone got it.

I can always rely on kraidy to call me names and have numerous victories in English.

What can I say, I am a witty idiot.

[Onyx Jaguar]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Pfft. Your username should have been smugboy. Bioware can do no wrong except for the planet scanning. I mean, there's lots of headshots and 'SPLOSHUNS, right?

*golf claps*

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I've never seen so much nit-picking in my life, congratulations.
It was all going well (as nit-picking goes) until the second part. There you went through the intel part, and why they should be investigating or not. Did you miss the part where they go investigate the Collector ship, or getting the IFF? It was Cerberus intel given to you. That's how the game goes, Shepard goes getting his crew, Illlusive Man investigates and gets intel for you. Why not go through Omega 4 relay then you could ask? Who said Cerberus didn't go through Omega 4 relay? No ship has ever come back, Cerberus ships could be on these ones.

There I stopped. I found pointless to go on and your points so far didn't convince me. And for an advice, put the music volume a little lower, some parts were hard to listen to your voice.

[MrNose]

worm_burner wrote...

Great videos, part 2 was amazing haha. ME2 is not the worst plot for a sequel, but for an RPG it is definitely one of the worst.

Final Fantasy X-2 says hello. 

Also: Neverwinter Nights says "I'm studying, hey look a quest!"  Pokemon says "I choose you, repeating the same story game-after-game!" ...Diablo also had a weak story...  And if we're considering Borderlands an RPG, then I'll use that as well.  The Monster Hunter games were plotless as well... 

I have more controversial claims for bad-story RPGs as well (Morrowind, Fable 1), but the stories in the above games truly do suck.

[kraidy1117]

MrNose wrote...

worm_burner wrote...

Great videos, part 2 was amazing haha. ME2 is not the worst plot for a sequel, but for an RPG it is definitely one of the worst.

Final Fantasy X-2 says hello. 

Also: Neverwinter Nights says "I'm studying, hey look a quest!"  Pokemon says "I choose you, repeating the same story game-after-game!" ...Diablo also had a weak story...  And if we're considering Borderlands an RPG, then I'll use that as well.  The Monster Hunter games were plotless as well... 

I have more controversial claims for bad-story RPGs as well (Morrowind, Fable 1), but the stories in the above games truly do suck.

All TES games have bad stories <_<

[BatarianBob]

smudboy wrote...

Taranatar9 wrote...

Lol.

If the first one wasn't enough, definitely a butthurt fanfic writer.

There's 6.  With the 1 of 6 from OP?  Thought you might've caught that.

Totally lacking anything resembling context, but yes I did catch that.  Thanks for asking.

What I didn't catch was that the account names on youtube and here are the same.  I assumed you found something you agree with and linked it.  I should apologize for the "butthurt" comment.

Modifié par Taranatar9, 23 mai 2010 - 03:30 .

[cachx]

I actually enjoyed the video, not as poorly conceived as I initially thought (only saw the first 2). Though I still fail to care about what he has to say.



Why use the word reader, by the way? don't you mean player? (some people have trouble identifying what a game is).

[Onyx Jaguar]

kraidy1117 wrote...

MrNose wrote...

worm_burner wrote...

Great videos, part 2 was amazing haha. ME2 is not the worst plot for a sequel, but for an RPG it is definitely one of the worst.

Final Fantasy X-2 says hello. 

Also: Neverwinter Nights says "I'm studying, hey look a quest!"  Pokemon says "I choose you, repeating the same story game-after-game!" ...Diablo also had a weak story...  And if we're considering Borderlands an RPG, then I'll use that as well.  The Monster Hunter games were plotless as well... 

I have more controversial claims for bad-story RPGs as well (Morrowind, Fable 1), but the stories in the above games truly do suck.

All TES games have bad stories <_<

I would also like to add in disagreement with Worm that most RPGs I have played have had lackluster stories or nonexistant stories.

PErsonally I liked Morrowind's though

[smudboy]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

If the sidequests offend you so much don't do them.

The quests themselves don't (aside from the recruitment, as they are plot integral); the reasoning behind them do (or lack thereof.)

A) You can do a favor for them
 You decline

The whole reasoning behind them was that you have time, once the IFF comes up you do not have time you should go and pick it up right away.  This is the major problem with the story strucutre that there is no incentive to get the IFF right away.

After you ge thte iFF you have time to do a mission as it installs.  It is a Gameplay mechanism

That's fine, I'm not arguing either.  I'm against their lack of relation, and exposition, to the plot.  Saying it's a game play mechanic is meaningless, as I'm looking at the idea of trust and loyalty, not the loyalty flag.  It could've been the "ice cream" flag and would've made the same sense.

[Onyx Jaguar]

They have no relevance to the main plot. The only thing they do is strengthen party members which has an effect of making them pass checks on the final mission.



They are only there as a gameplay mechanic and as a means to explore the World's storyline. As well as themes that were present in the first game, they expand onto those.

[Darth Drago]

Omicrone wrote...

….And let me kindly redirect you to the proper thread Disappointment with Mass Effect 2. It's for people like you that are less than pleased with the game….

-Unfortunately my topic is in the Non Spoilers forum so his videos might be considered as breaking the house rules here.

I’m likely to take a lot of hits from this, but I agree with a lot of what was said in those videos. He did a lot of research by playing a game several times I cant even look at anymore after only 4 runs through it. Sure he (to use a term used at me) may have nit-picked several things, which to me is good. To bad the makers of the game couldn’t have looked at their creation as anything beyond a shooter game that’s a sequel but yet is a stand alone game to see the truth that the game isn’t all that great to those of us that actually think.

“ooh pretty graphics, lots of shooting, Miranda‘s gratuitous ass shot and ooh pretty graphics …”

Mass Effect 2 may not be the worst sequel but it rates up there as one of them. The game gave made me really wonder what the hell happened to the writers for this trilogy. Did they even have one or two people write this or was it just a bunch of people writing thing for certain parts?

Modifié par Darth Drago, 23 mai 2010 - 03:34 .

[smudboy]

cachx wrote...

I actually enjoyed the video, not as poorly conceived as I initially thought (only saw the first 2). Though I still fail to care about what he has to say.

Why use the word reader, by the way? don't you mean player? (some people have trouble identifying what a game is).

Just my train of thought, of how I pick apart the narrative.

Player, reader, viewer, audience, etc.: to "ingesting" narrative it's all the same.  The argument that video games are an interactive medium doesn't really change anything.  It's still a streamlined Choose Your Own Adventure book, and we interpret events the same whether read, seen or heard.

[SithLordExarKun]

You must have never heard how awful Modern Warfares 2's or fallout 3's story is. Seriously, you honestly think ME2 has one of the worst plots ever? So does many of the greatest films in history too.

You honestly think you can do a better job? Then go ahead and be my guest.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 23 mai 2010 - 03:33 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

MrNose wrote...

Final Fantasy X-2 says hello. 

Also: Neverwinter Nights says "I'm studying, hey look a quest!"  Pokemon says "I choose you, repeating the same story game-after-game!" ...Diablo also had a weak story...  And if we're considering Borderlands an RPG, then I'll use that as well.  The Monster Hunter games were plotless as well... 

I have more controversial claims for bad-story RPGs as well (Morrowind, Fable 1), but the stories in the above games truly do suck.

Neither Fable or even X-2's story were bad in theory, just their execution, among other things sucked, especially with X-2.

[SithLordExarKun]

Did you even play X-2 let alone finish the game? X-2's story was horrible.

[smudboy]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

You must have never heard how awful Modern Warfares 2's or fallout 3's story is. Seriously, you honestly think ME2 has one of the worst plots ever? So does many of the greatest films in history too.

You honestly think you can do a better job? Then go ahead and be my guest.

...I just did...