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[SithLordExarKun]

smudboy wrote...


...I just did...

And failed miserably....

[DarthCaine]

worm_burner wrote...

Great videos, part 2 was amazing haha. ME2 is not the worst plot for a sequel, but for an RPG it is definitely one of the worst.

I think you're forgetting about:
NWN1, Diablo series, Gothic series, Elder Scrolls series, Two Worlds, Risen, Titan Quest, Dungeon Siege, Sacred series, Fallout series (they're good RPGs, but suck in the story department) etc etc.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 23 mai 2010 - 03:47 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Did you even play X-2 let alone finish the game? X-2's story was horrible.

Played and finished. The dialogue was one of, if not the worst parts.

X-2 was made simply for the ending alone. Personally I thought the ending to X was perfect. And yeah, I do think X-2 was horrible, I'm no fan.

[SithLordExarKun]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Did you even play X-2 let alone finish the game? X-2's story was horrible.

Played and finished. The dialogue was one of, if not the worst parts.

X-2 was made simply for the ending alone. Personally I thought the ending to X was perfect. And yeah, I do think X-2 was horrible, I'm no fan.

Its far far worse than ME2, just goes to show how ignorant and naive spunkboy is.

[SithLordExarKun]

To the OP. You sound like a retarded monkey in your videos. Seriously i can tell you're trying to talk in a deep voice to "mask" your real voice.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 23 mai 2010 - 03:56 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Its far far worse than ME2, just goes to show how ignorant and naive spunkboy is.

Think he was being emphatic, but even if he wasn't, in a way, I can understand where he's coming from even if I don't agree with him on that.

[smudboy]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

To the OP. You sound like a retarded monkey in your videos. Seriously i can tell you're trying to talk in a deep voice to "mask" your real voice.

That's my real voice.

And since you're too intelligent to have any reasonable discussion about, well, everything, I'll just assume you're a troll and wish you well.

[SithLordExarKun]

smudboy wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

To the OP. You sound like a retarded monkey in your videos. Seriously i can tell you're trying to talk in a deep voice to "mask" your real voice.

That's my real voice.

And since you're too intelligent to have any reasonable discussion about, well, everything, I'll just assume you're a troll and wish you well.

Yes, thats indeed your "real" voice, you're simply trying to fake it that its so obvious even mentally retarded individuals can tell.
There's nothing to discuss, its funny how you start getting butthurt months after a game has been released and your videos are absolutely hideous to watch with that fake voice.

Like i said, you think you can make a better game by all means go ahead and try, you haven't even played games whose stories are really horrible(MW2, halo3, GOW,FO3) yet.

[SkullandBonesmember]

smudboy wrote...

That's my real voice.

And since you're too intelligent to have any reasonable discussion about, well, everything, I'll just assume you're a troll and wish you well.

He's not a troll, he just thinks combat should take priority over story and character interaction.

[smudboy]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

smudboy wrote...

That's my real voice.

And since you're too intelligent to have any reasonable discussion about, well, everything, I'll just assume you're a troll and wish you well.

He's not a troll, he just thinks combat should take priority over story and character interaction.

Oh?  Then I totally forgive him.  He was just touchy about his priorities.  And my sexy, manly voice.  No harm done, I hope.

[SithLordExarKun]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

He's not a troll, he just thinks combat should take priority over story and character interaction.

Ah yes, the prepubescent kid returns, where exactly did i state that combat should be taken over "story"(ME1 had a good story??) and character interaction?

Oh right, because the prepubescent kid says so! Funny how people like you don't know how to read, i guess engrossing over the fact that ME2 had a degree of SPLOSHUNS degraded your ability to read.



"
ME2 just happened to focus alot more on the combat, it didn't lack out
in character interaction in my personal opinion but i would agree that
the focus on the main story is a little too short and should at least
had been substantially longer.

These are just some of the flaws i
dislike in ME2 and hoping that everything(combat,interaction,story,RPG
elements) will be much further improved on and balanced in the final
game."

[cachx]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
To the OP. You sound like a retarded monkey in your videos. Seriously i can tell you're trying to talk in a deep voice to "mask" your real voice.

SkullandBonesmember wrote...
He's not a troll, he just thinks
combat should take priority over story and character interaction.

Both sides are equally exasperating, only one thing to do...



Ooooh... Yeahhh...

[SkullandBonesmember]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Oh right, because the prepubescent kid says so! Funny how people like you don't know how to read, i guess engrossing over the fact that ME2 had a degree of SPLOSHUNS degraded your ability to read.....

Yes I read your post. If that's the case, why do you always go out of your way to "correct" me whenever I criticize the combat?

[SithLordExarKun]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Oh right, because the prepubescent kid says so! Funny how people like you don't know how to read, i guess engrossing over the fact that ME2 had a degree of SPLOSHUNS degraded your ability to read.....

Yes I read your post. If that's the case, why do you always go out of your way to "correct" me whenever I criticize the combat?

1) You didn't "critisize" the combat, you whined that you suck at it.
2) You constantly pull assumptions out of your ass and try to pass them off as "facts".

[GothamLord]

Bad attempt to copy Red Letter Media and its infamous Star Wars reviews...

[finnithe]

Here's my response to this vid, just some things I found wrong with it that I posted in the other forum.

finnithe wrote...



There's a few other flaws with the analysis. Unlike ME1, there is no cackling overlord who rambles on about his plans to destroy everything you know and love, which I'm thinking too many of you are taking issue with.



1. The beauty of the collectors is the threat they represent is exemplified by the end boss. As Protheans twisted beyond recognition, they represent the danger presented by the creation of a Human Reaper. It is my opinion that the Reapers plan in creating the Human reaper was not to open the gateway for the rest of them, but to begin the creation of many more Human Reapers, who would together serve as the new vanguard.



2. Shepard is a symbol. Tell me, do we know of anyone as important as Shepard in the humanity's short history in the galactic community? No, and the point of recruiting Shepard was being able to recruit all these specialists in the first place.



3. The Collectors obviously want Shepard. This creates a plot hole however, as the Collectors obviously want Shepard in Mass Effect: Redemption. However, they destroyed the Normandy despite this. It's very weird that they would risk completely killing Shepard while right after showing interest in capturing him to use in the creation of the Human Reapers (Harbinger even hints that this is his plan in his many quotes, even in the video where he says "We are your genetic destiny". He is quite literally stating that it is the humans' destiny to become the next generation of Reapers, as they are the only genetically compatible race in the galaxy at the time).'



4. The stuff about selecting team leaders and how your team doesn't really react any differently. Don't you think it'd be sort of revealing if immediately after choosing Grunt as your second Fire Team Leader, the game scolded you and slapped you on the wrist? I would even go as far to guess that the party members do not themselves know how dangerous the mission is (I don't any of them have faced a mission as tough as going into an unknown part of the galaxy filled with Reaper-spawn). Also, Jacob complaining at being assigned to help protect Garrus was all the way in the beginning of the game. He's probably grown a lot more since then. Shepard is a good role model after all.



I should add that a significant theme in ME2, as well as ME1, is self-determination. You have the chance to advance humanity significantly at the end, though you do so at the risk of making yourself vulnerable against the Reapers. Legion talks at length about this, as he says this was the one reason his group of Geth rejected Sovereign's offers to the Geth. I sometimes think I am playing a completely different game than you guys, but that's the best part of fiction isn't it? The part where you come up with your own theories about the themes and concepts presented? Not everything should be beaten into your skull like it was with Sovereign's speech on Virmire.

finnithe wrote...



About the 3rd part, isn't it implied that TIM used his Alliance connections to get those turrets on Horizon? And he got the ex-squaddie assigned to the planet so that Shepard would go to the planet out of self-interest? I'm also pretty sure that the SR-2 would not be able to take Collector Ship at that point, since it was heavily damaged w/o the upgrades in the final mission.



Also why in the hell would TIM tell someone else about the Derelict Reaper?!? Would he really want to give up the tech inside that thing? He had probably salvaged it by the time Shepard got there or his disregard at its destruction is a plot hole.

[Zombor]

You can infer Harbinger is a Reaper because he talks like Sovereign and possesses his minions like Sovereign did with Saren. That reveals the involvement with the Reaper plot of ME1 pretty early. You also see husks on Horizon, and although ME1 never outright said "husks are reaper tech" it was heavily implied. It's supposed to be obvious from Horizon on that you're fighting the reapers' minions. I'm surprised you thought it was unclear.

Some of your points are just complaining about videogame logic. Yeah, it's a little weird that you need an elite team of infantry to win a space battle, but we know we're playing a game about personal-scale combat. It's like complaining that the characters have hitpoints. The suspension of disbelief that lets you play games in the first place already covers this.

You make some good points about the suicide mission mechanics. I guessed that Samara was the best fire team leader on my first playthrough, for the same reason. The suicide mission mechanics seem illogical and aren't communicated well to the player. (That may have been the point, to make it nontrivial to keep everyone alive, but that could have been accomplished in other ways.)

The point about Shepard being dead makes sense. Shepard needs to be out of commission for awhile to reset the game from ME1, make you gather a new squad and new resources, etc. But I would have accepted it if he was just in a coma or in cryogenic stasis or something. The Cerberus railroading is also a little weird. TIM, Miranda, and Jacob could have presented themselves as top-secret Alliance military interests, and then let you suspect the Cerberus connection but only confirm near the end of the game.

There are a couple places where you assume bad logic where the game leaves things deliberately ambiguous. The baby human reaper isn't necessarily the reapers' "Plan B." It's been speculated before in the series that reapers use organics for reproduction. The baby human reaper could be underway because the reapers expect to destroy the galaxy through some other means very soon. The game makes the reapers' motives ambiguous, so when there are reasonable non-stupid explanations you've got to give them the benefit of the doubt. (And no I don't know why it looks like the T-1000 either. Why do asari look like blue humans?)

Your defense for keeping the Collector base just sounds like you defending an in-game choice. The game gave you two choices, you thought one of them was better so you took it. Where did the game fail here?

I think you underestimate how difficult it would be to have Shepard grow as a character. Shepard's actions are determined by player choice, and if you ever force Shepard to show any flaw or weakness players would resent it. The player is trying to win the game so they'll always tend to make Shepard a one-dimensional action hero. I'm not saying character growth is impossible, but leaving it out isn't just a simple omission


E: Wow, wall of text. I wrote this down as I was listening to your commentary, which is close to an hour long. Didn't realize I'd written this much.

Modifié par Zombor, 23 mai 2010 - 05:25 .

[Whereto]

Ill solve this problem right here and now. The worst plot to a sequel was MW2. Problem solved. I would like to comment on this anyway, I cant see how you can call this one of the worst. ME2 wasnt the best ive ever seen but there are like million other games out there with worse ones (yes it was exaggerated)

[Pinkflamingo22]

That review was stupid. There are many explainaions for various parts of the game.



who ever did that review was kind of dumb and did not look deep enough into the story.

[kraidy1117]

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

That review was stupid. There are many explainaions for various parts of the game.

who ever did that review was kind of dumb and did not look deep enough into the story.

That was Smudboy in fact

[Ecael]

I listened to the 2nd part of the documentary, but I didn't understand the main argument. It explained what a plot was at the beginning, but then kind of bounced around talking about characters and villains, never really convincing me that there was an argument in the first place. It felt like it lacked a beginning and an end.

If I had watched the 1st part of the documentary, I would have been able to discern what you were mainly plotting to do by knowing all the background information behind your argument. However, because I chose to criticize your the 2nd part of your documentary, I'll just assume that the rest of the argument is bad and that the writing of the whole documentary is bad. And you should feel bad.

I shall post on the forums demanding BioWare to correct the 3rd part of your documentary before I watch it. I'm not optimistic, though. Unless you further define what the plot actually is in the 1st or 2nd parts of the videos, then I remain unconvinced that the entire documentary ever had an actual argument or plot at all.

Modifié par Ecael, 23 mai 2010 - 05:32 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

GothamLord wrote...

Bad attempt to copy Red Letter Media and its infamous Star Wars reviews...

He, that was my first thought about this.

[MassEffect762]

cachx wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...
To the OP. You sound like a retarded monkey in your videos. Seriously i can tell you're trying to talk in a deep voice to "mask" your real voice.

SkullandBonesmember wrote...
He's not a troll, he just thinks
combat should take priority over story and character interaction.

Both sides are equally exasperating, only one thing to do...



Ooooh... Yeahhh...

LMAO.  People luv to fight about differing opinions regarding ME2, BIG time.

I'm with the OP on this one.

In my opinion this game was not biowares best of efforts.(how ever hard they tried)

[kraidy1117]

This is just a poor argument and Smudboy being, well Smudboy.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Ecael wrote...

I listened to the 2nd part of the documentary, but I didn't understand the main argument. It explained what a plot was at the beginning, but then kind of bounced around talking about characters and villains, never really convincing me that there was an argument in the first place. It felt like it lacked a beginning and an end.

If I had watched the 1st part of the documentary, I would have been able to discern what you were mainly plotting to do by knowing all the background information behind your argument. However, because I chose to criticize your the 2nd part of your documentary, I'll just assume that the rest of the argument is bad and that the writing of the whole documentary is bad. And you should feel bad.

I shall post on the forums demanding BioWare to correct the 3rd part of your documentary before I watch it. I'm not optimistic, though. Unless you further define what the plot actually is in the 1st or 2nd parts of the videos, then I remain unconvinced that the entire documentary ever had an actual argument or plot at all.

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Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 23 mai 2010 - 05:45 .