-Ok I’ll bite….finnithe wrote...
Will no one address the points I made?
-I don’t agree considering how many humans it would take to make just the one reaper. This human reaper is or was, just an infant and as the game unfolds you get the information that that implies the human race is going to be the next converted species in the next cleaning of the galaxy. The Reapers were just getting a jump start on creating it. Consider the fact that we really don’t know how long it was even under construction. They coul d have started on it before the events in ME1 happened.finnithe wrote...
There's a few other flaws with the analysis. Unlike ME1, there is no cackling overlord who rambles on about his plans to destroy everything you know and love, which I'm thinking too many of you are taking issue with.
1. The beauty of the collectors is the threat they represent is exemplified by the end boss. As Protheans twisted beyond recognition, they represent the danger presented by the creation of a Human Reaper. It is my opinion that the Reapers plan in creating the Human reaper was not to open the gateway for the rest of them, but to begin the creation of many more Human Reapers, who would together serve as the new vanguard.
-True especially since its pounded into you that Shepard has a natural leadership appeal. Could the mission have succeeded without Shepard is the real question. On the other hand the only reason Shepard is the center of attention is only because he/she is the star of the game. Just because we havent heard of any other great heroes doesn’t mean they don’t exist.finnithe wrote...
2. Shepard is a symbol. Tell me, do we know of anyone as important as Shepard in the humanity's short history in the galactic community? No, and the point of recruiting Shepard was being able to recruit all these specialists in the first place.
-Humanity is the best choice out of most of them it would seem. Look at the virus released on Omega, it killed everyone but humans and vorcha and the dialog Mordin says on his loyalty mission about genetic diversity. Vorcha are not obviously that bright and they certainly didn’t lead the assault to take out Sovereign, just two other little factors that put the spotlight on humanity. As for why the Reapers want Shepard, who really knows for certain.finnithe wrote...
3. The Collectors obviously want Shepard. This creates a plot hole however, as the Collectors obviously want Shepard in Mass Effect: Redemption. However, they destroyed the Normandy despite this. It's very weird that they would risk completely killing Shepard while right after showing interest in capturing him to use in the creation of the Human Reapers (Harbinger even hints that this is his plan in his many quotes, even in the video where he says "We are your genetic destiny". He is quite literally stating that it is the humans' destiny to become the next generation of Reapers, as they are the only genetically compatible race in the galaxy at the time).'
-Team leader selection should have been done better. I don’t mind having everyone as candidates for selection but some sort of dialog should have been given concerning their ability to lead or how well others would follow them. Take Jack and Miranda for example, they hate each other with a passion and yet other than Jacks little outburst about Miranda’s leadership role nothing else happens between them even if you put them in the same group. Oh, and everyone on the Normandy knows how dangerous the mission is. They know who they are fighting and that their chances for surviving is slim at best. That’s why it was supposed to have been a suicide mission. To bad the game played it like a stroll in the park. Virmire was more dangerous to my squad than this joke mission. Lol.finnithe wrote...
4. The stuff about selecting team leaders and how your team doesn't really react any differently. Don't you think it'd be sort of revealing if immediately after choosing Grunt as your second Fire Team Leader, the game scolded you and slapped you on the wrist? I would even go as far to guess that the party members do not themselves know how dangerous the mission is (I don't any of them have faced a mission as tough as going into an unknown part of the galaxy filled with Reaper-spawn). Also, Jacob complaining at being assigned to help protect Garrus was all the way in the beginning of the game. He's probably grown a lot more since then. Shepard is a good role model after all.
I should add that a significant theme in ME2, as well as ME1, is self-determination. You have the chance to advance humanity significantly at the end, though you do so at the risk of making yourself vulnerable against the Reapers. Legion talks at length about this, as he says this was the one reason his group of Geth rejected Sovereign's offers to the Geth. I sometimes think I am playing a completely different game than you guys, but that's the best part of fiction isn't it? The part where you come up with your own theories about the themes and concepts presented? Not everything should be beaten into your skull like it was with Sovereign's speech on Virmire.
Keep in mind Jacob was on Eden Prime so he might just have an issue with Turians.
I love games that get you to think about whats going on and even though ME2 pretty much was a huge let down for me it did leave me wondering about a lot of things.
But at the same time I really hated everything about Harbinger, and I do mean everything. He sucked the life out of the game for me with all his mindless repeated rants every time we met and that it was never even acknowledged if he was talking out loud so everyone can hear him or telepathically in my mind just adds to the stupidity behind his creation.
-Its possible that TIM was somehow involved in getting the turrets there but how would he make sure that Kaidan/Ashley also was there and how did the Collectors find out? The Normandy had the advantage over the Collector ship and should have attacked it. It was on the ground and a stationary target. When it lifts off it can only really go straight up as well. The Normandy could have done some serious damage at the least especially after the turrets hit it. Of course this is all speculation since we really don’t know if those turrets actually was the reason for the Collectors to leave in the first place.finnithe wrote...
About the 3rd part, isn't it implied that TIM used his Alliance connections to get those turrets on Horizon? And he got the ex-squaddie assigned to the planet so that Shepard would go to the planet out of self-interest? I'm also pretty sure that the SR-2 would not be able to take Collector Ship at that point, since it was heavily damaged w/o the upgrades in the final mission.
Also why in the hell would TIM tell someone else about the Derelict Reaper?!? Would he really want to give up the tech inside that thing? He had probably salvaged it by the time Shepard got there or his disregard at its destruction is a plot hole.
TIM is supposed to be looking after humanities best interests so it didn’t surprise me at all that he wouldn’t tell anyone, yet. The salvage team got wiped out before anything could have been taken off it since you had to go in and get the IFF yourself. I would like to believe this time someone on the Normandy or in Shepard’s group took lots of photos or downloaded some researchers data t throw at the Council’s face.
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