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[AnniLau]

Stabbath123 wrote...

Alistar. Whiny. Needs to
get laid. Occasionally funny, just as aften dorky and cheesy
though. Wimpy tank. My characters or Shale or dog is better.

Leliana.
Cute and great voice. Useful but dies A LOT (on first play through).
Religious fanatics annoy me.

Zevran. Too horny. Looks goofy. Not
very useful and dies a lot. Occasionally interesting and funny though.

It amuses me when people complain about their Companions dying too quickly or not being effective enough in battle...who exactly do you think is setting up their specs and tactics?

Modifié par AnniLau, 24 mai 2010 - 06:02 .

[Lady Catastrophe]

Tinxa wrote...

Velanna
She's just a onedimensional murdering psycho. A completely unsympathetic character. I couldn't care less about her or her sister, she didn't even investigate or look for her, just started killing everything that moved.

This.I found it very hard to feel sympathy for her on the rare occasion she actually showed some emotion regarding her sister.There doesn't seem to be a redeeming thing about her.

[Addai]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

It amuses me when people complain about their Companions dying too quickly or not being effective enough in battle...who exactly do you think is setting up their specs and tactics?

Would you kindly give us some suggestions then

The Characters, classes and Builds forum has lots of threads on this topic.  It does look like you could use some pointers on building rogues.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Stabbath123]

M-Taylor wrote...

Stabbath123 wrote...


Too tough. I'll go through most if not all though.

Wynne. Boring but useful. Nice bod for an old bat. Strange. Must be magic.
Sten. Boring mostly, useless. Can be funny in a few moments though.
Alistar. Whiny. Needs to get laid. Occasionally funny, just as aften dorky and cheesy though. Wimpy tank. My characters or Shale or dog is better.
Morrigan. Easy to look at and great voice (oh, insert opposite on looks in regards to Sten above). Interesting, Useful but a major ****. I really hoping they continue on her plot in a sequel. Hers is the one I am looking most forward too.My fav companion.
Leliana. Cute and great voice. Useful but dies A LOT (on first play through). Religious fanatics annoy me.
Kevran. Too horny. Looks goofy. Not very useful and dies a lot. Occasionally interesting and funny though.
Oghren. Reminds me of myself. Not sure if that's good or bad. Much rather Morrigan be in Awakening than he, but he was very funny in it. Who ever wrote his approval script or whatever is on the fakking CRACK though. 
New male mage. Alister in a robe. Next....
Vel. ****. Makes Morrigan look sweet. Male mage was more useful. I shoulda killed her.
Dwarf Rogue. Meh. Too late in the game to really get to know her. But she wasn't very interesting. New abilities she has is cool.
First new companion. Liked her a lot. My fav in the expansion. Too bad she didn't stick around.
Male rogue. Another meh. His moods weren't very logical to me. ****** with a major chip on his shoulder one moment, to very likable, nice and heroic the next. Rain of arrows, or whatever it's called is cool. Rather have Leliana back instead of him.
Shale. Rules, Except managing his/her tactics and stances is a freaking nightmare.
Loghead. Always kill him, and always will.
Dog. Cool but ugly. Not as much dialog with him/her though so usually have another to replace it. Better than the other fighters even with good gear lol.

 /reads..

Any chance you being a male, and a certain age which is usually associated with bad things? Seems to me, anything with boobs you like, anything with a penis you immediately dislike. But whatever, your choice is your choice.

I'm a male, 35. All my characters have had a penis at least in theory, and I like each and everyone of them. My current character has an erect one due to a mod I installed lol. I didn't install it for that reason, but it's still there.

Actually, I said pros and cons with most of the companions, You might just be being selective. Vel lacks a penis and I didn't like her.... I could go on.

Modifié par Stabbath123, 24 mai 2010 - 06:40 .

[Stabbath123]

AnniLau wrote...

Stabbath123 wrote...

Alistar. Whiny. Needs to
get laid. Occasionally funny, just as aften dorky and cheesy
though. Wimpy tank. My characters or Shale or dog is better.

Leliana.
Cute and great voice. Useful but dies A LOT (on first play through).
Religious fanatics annoy me.

Zevran. Too horny. Looks goofy. Not
very useful and dies a lot. Occasionally interesting and funny though.

It amuses me when people complain about their Companions dying too quickly or not being effective enough in battle...who exactly do you think is setting up their specs and tactics?

I consider it more stating an observation, and relating my experience than it was a complaint. I found it amusing at times she died a lot. Made an easy game hard (the game was easy once I got the hang of it and my companions rarely die now unless they have crap gear)

Modifié par Stabbath123, 24 mai 2010 - 06:56 .

[M-Taylor]

Stabbath123 wrote...

M-Taylor wrote...

Stabbath123 wrote...


Too tough. I'll go through most if not all though.

Wynne. Boring but useful. Nice bod for an old bat. Strange. Must be magic.
Sten. Boring mostly, useless. Can be funny in a few moments though.
Alistar. Whiny. Needs to get laid. Occasionally funny, just as aften dorky and cheesy though. Wimpy tank. My characters or Shale or dog is better.
Morrigan. Easy to look at and great voice (oh, insert opposite on looks in regards to Sten above). Interesting, Useful but a major ****. I really hoping they continue on her plot in a sequel. Hers is the one I am looking most forward too.My fav companion.
Leliana. Cute and great voice. Useful but dies A LOT (on first play through). Religious fanatics annoy me.
Kevran. Too horny. Looks goofy. Not very useful and dies a lot. Occasionally interesting and funny though.
Oghren. Reminds me of myself. Not sure if that's good or bad. Much rather Morrigan be in Awakening than he, but he was very funny in it. Who ever wrote his approval script or whatever is on the fakking CRACK though. 
New male mage. Alister in a robe. Next....
Vel. ****. Makes Morrigan look sweet. Male mage was more useful. I shoulda killed her.
Dwarf Rogue. Meh. Too late in the game to really get to know her. But she wasn't very interesting. New abilities she has is cool.
First new companion. Liked her a lot. My fav in the expansion. Too bad she didn't stick around.
Male rogue. Another meh. His moods weren't very logical to me. ****** with a major chip on his shoulder one moment, to very likable, nice and heroic the next. Rain of arrows, or whatever it's called is cool. Rather have Leliana back instead of him.
Shale. Rules, Except managing his/her tactics and stances is a freaking nightmare.
Loghead. Always kill him, and always will.
Dog. Cool but ugly. Not as much dialog with him/her though so usually have another to replace it. Better than the other fighters even with good gear lol.

 /reads..

Any chance you being a male, and a certain age which is usually associated with bad things? Seems to me, anything with boobs you like, anything with a penis you immediately dislike. But whatever, your choice is your choice.

I'm a male, 35. All my characters have had a penis at least in theory, and I like each and everyone of them. My current character has an erect one due to a mod I installed lol. I didn't install it for that reason, but it's still there.

Actually, I said pros and cons with most of the companions, You might just be being selective. Vel lacks a penis and I didn't like her.... I could go on.

I worded it in an incorrect fashion, I feel. I didn't mean you liked all the female companions. You state you don't like Sigrum either. I'm just pointing out, isn't it rather tragic that you seem to dislike 90% of the companions, and they all happen to be males/females you don't fancy. I mean, with Wynne, you're only praising words is how she has a nice body.

Like I said, it's honestly your choice, but I don't see the point to play a game to dislike all the companions except for the ones you see yourself romancing. My favourite companion is Sten for example, and not because I think his pixels are fit. Simply because his sarcastic and dry wit make me giggle.

This could be me being totally out of order, but I just don't see why people would play a game that way, is all.

[Katya Nadanova]

Zevran - in Origins



Nathaniel Howe - in Awakening

[Suron]

probably Zevran from Origins and Segrun (sp!!)..whoever, that female dorf chick from awakenings..



of the two..prob zev is my least.

[thesuperdarkone]

Least favorite character in origins: Wynne: now I don't hate her exactly, but more that her constant nagging kept getting on my nerves, with you shouldn't romance this and this is how a grey warden should be that, it just got on my nerves.



in awakening: Velanna: now I can understand being angry for how you are treated, but that doesn't mean that you should kill and ***** about how you hate everyone and everything, even my city elf had it worse off than her and he isnt as annoyingly *****y as her and anders is a better mage. P.S. oghren is a close second, with him just being extremely out of character in awakening, I mean I got him sober in Origins, why is he a drunken mess is awakenings. And he just seems to be drunk and annoying just to try to be comic relief, but anders is WAY better comic relief than oghren, who should have stayed sober like the end of origins.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...
I've actually come to appreciate Wynne as a character more after dishing the dirt about her with other Wynne haters on this forum.  Not only is it therapeutic , I think it's credit to a character that she is not just the "grandma" type she appears to be on the surface.  There are definitely more complex aspects to her.  It's her hypocrisy that chiefly grinds me.

What hypocrisy are you referring to exactly?

[Costin_Razvan]

It amuses me when people complain about their Companions dying too quickly or not being effective enough in battle...who exactly do you think is setting up their specs and tactics?

Despite how well you set them up. some of them ARE worse then others.



On Nightmare ( and I refuse to speak of anything lower then that ) Dog, Shale and Alistair are the weakest, in that order. Dog simply does not bring enough to the table to be as effective, sure his howls and overwhelm are nice, but not so incredible as other attacks. Shale, while dealing insane damage with her abilities, simply misses a LOT on her normal attacks, and as a tank fails because she cannot be made immune to knockdown.



Alistair is better then Shale and Dog, but still the third worst companion. He is built as a tank by the game, and even while there are mods to respec him, he still falls down short compared to the other melee companions.

[Axekix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It amuses me when people complain about their Companions dying too quickly or not being effective enough in battle...who exactly do you think is setting up their specs and tactics?

Despite how well you set them up. some of them ARE worse then others.

On Nightmare ( and I refuse to speak of anything lower then that ) Dog, Shale and Alistair are the weakest, in that order. Dog simply does not bring enough to the table to be as effective, sure his howls and overwhelm are nice, but not so incredible as other attacks. Shale, while dealing insane damage with her abilities, simply misses a LOT on her normal attacks, and as a tank fails because she cannot be made immune to knockdown.

Alistair is better then Shale and Dog, but still the third worst companion. He is built as a tank by the game, and even while there are mods to respec him, he still falls down short compared to the other melee companions.

Shale can easily be one of the most powerful characters in the game, and it's not as if it's difficult to spec/gear her.  She'll easily fill out all her talents by 20 or so.   Give her a "brilliant" crystal set (I prefer fire or lightning) and she'll out damage almost everyone besides a DPS spec PC.  The only reason she would be missing is because of how you set her up.  Pump her STR and she's just as accurate as any other companion. 

Also, Alistair in Cailan's armor with the Marric sword/shield set is an absolute fortress. Once he has enough str to wear tier 7 armor (42, moddified by items) dump everything into dex and he's almost impossible to take down and actually requires very little support.

Really the only character with an inherent handicap is Sten since he gets no racial bonus and only 1 specialization.  Other than that, it's really up to the player.

[Brockololly]

Least favorite in Origins? Hmmm... thats tough. Origins is one of the few games where I actually liked every companion.



Least favorite in Awakening? Oghren easily. While he was the juvenile humor comic relief in Origins, they just turned every unlikeable characteristic he had in Origins and turned it up to 11. He was a drunken, deadbeat Jar Jar Binks in Awakening.

[old book]

As far as combat goes, I always found Lel, Og and Sten to be "weak" unless I used a mod to re-spec them. Lel can become a powerhouse even without respec.



Dog is a special case. He's a great pet, the best possible, but can't use enough equipment or develop enough without mods to be a first tier pick for combat after the mid game. I can't see giving up a party slot for him. With Full Combatant Dog and Extra Dog Slot, he becomes an incredibly useful tank.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I've actually come to appreciate Wynne as a character more after dishing the dirt about her with other Wynne haters on this forum.  Not only is it therapeutic , I think it's credit to a character that she is not just the "grandma" type she appears to be on the surface.  There are definitely more complex aspects to her.  It's her hypocrisy that chiefly grinds me.

What hypocrisy are you referring to exactly?

Such as the whole "I'm an abomination but the good kind" thing.  Also how she tries to get out of the Circle as much as possible, but is always trying to herd other people back in, such as Aneirin (the guy the templars left for dead) and the Warden mage (the protector of mankind blah blah blah).  Should I go on?  :innocent:

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Such as the whole "I'm an abomination but the good kind" thing. 

I guess I'm not sure which convo you're refering to here.  In the convo with the PC about the spirit she expresses doubt over what her joining with the spirit means, and freely admits this "isn't the way of things."  There's even a dialogue tree where she talks about concern over becoming an abomination herself. 

At any rate she obviously still has her mind in tact and isn't dangerous, so I guess I don't see the issue.  Like Flemeth, perhaps she's become something else entirely.

Addai67 wrote...

Also how she tries to get out of the Circle as much as possible, but is always trying to herd other people back in, such as Aneirin (the guy the templars left for dead) and the Warden mage (the protector of mankind blah blah blah). 

The discussions she has with the Warden about going back are because she sees the potential for him/her to revolutionize the Circle.  She is a visionary and hopes to improve the mages' lot in life.  Is that really such a bad thing? 

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Such as the whole "I'm an abomination but the good kind" thing. 

I guess I'm not sure which convo you're refering to here.  In the convo with the PC about the spirit she expresses doubt over what her joining with the spirit means, and freely admits this "isn't the way of things."  There's even a dialogue tree where she talks about concern over becoming an abomination herself. 

At any rate she obviously still has her mind in tact and isn't dangerous, so I guess I don't see the issue.  Like Flemeth, perhaps she's become something else entirely.

Ask the templars what they think. 

Addai67 wrote...

Also how she tries to get out of the Circle as much as possible, but is always trying to herd other people back in, such as Aneirin (the guy the templars left for dead) and the Warden mage (the protector of mankind blah blah blah). 

The discussions she has with the Warden about going back are because she sees the potential for him/her to revolutionize the Circle.  She is a visionary and hopes to improve the mages' lot in life.  Is that really such a bad thing? 

You have to listen to her lecture about you being protector of mankind, but she wants to lock you away in a Tower even though she gets out of Dodge every chance she gets.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Such as the whole "I'm an abomination but the good kind" thing. 

I guess I'm not sure which convo you're refering to here.  In the convo with the PC about the spirit she expresses doubt over what her joining with the spirit means, and freely admits this "isn't the way of things."  There's even a dialogue tree where she talks about concern over becoming an abomination herself. 

At any rate she obviously still has her mind in tact and isn't dangerous, so I guess I don't see the issue.  Like Flemeth, perhaps she's become something else entirely.

Ask the templars what they think. 

What would you have her do?  Turn herself in to them?  Despite having done nothing wrong and being no threat to anyone?

Addai67 wrote...

You have to listen to her lecture about you being protector of mankind, but she wants to lock you away in a Tower even though she gets out of Dodge every chance she gets.

She sees the potential in the Warden that she doesn't have.  The Warden (after the campaign) is fairly worldly and a national hero, of course his/her voice would carry a lot of weight for the Circle.  And if I recall, her hope was that the Circle wouldn't have to remain the oppressive 'prison' it is now.
I don't see either of those as being reasons to hate  Wynne.

Modifié par Axekix, 25 mai 2010 - 03:31 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Really the only character with an inherent handicap is Sten since he gets no racial bonus and only 1 specialization.

So what? That specialization really doesn't matter until very late in the game.. Sten at level one will have almost the exact same attributes as Alistair, however unlike Alistair he can get knockdown immunity very early on, and deal insane amounts of damage, while Alistair only takes slightly less damage but also deals a lot less.



Alistair has to spend a lot of talents to get knockdown immunity, to become better then Sten as a damage soaker, but Sten will remain a higher damage dealer even so.



The whole bonus specialization only matters if you get Alistair to level 25....which is highly unlikely to happen even by the time you reach the Archdemon.



Lower then 25 means that while Alistair does have a bonus specialization, he does not have the points to spend on all of them. And also get the exclusive warrior talents like Taunt, Disengage, Bravery etc.



Alistair also needs to spend 26 raw points in Dexterity, while Sten can just get full Strength, Willpower and Constitution.

[Axekix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Really the only character with an inherent handicap is Sten since he gets no racial bonus and only 1 specialization.

So what? That specialization really doesn't matter until very late in the game.. Sten at level one will have almost the exact same attributes as Alistair, however unlike Alistair he can get knockdown immunity very early on, and deal insane amounts of damage, while Alistair only takes slightly less damage but also deals a lot less.

Alistair has to spend a lot of talents to get knockdown immunity, to become better then Sten as a damage soaker, but Sten will remain a higher damage dealer even so.

The whole bonus specialization only matters if you get Alistair to level 25....

I'm not sure I see your point.  Why are you comparing their dps when Alistair comes S&S spec?  He's not built for DPS out of the gates, but once you get him high enough to spec Shield Wall he starts to shine as a tank.  Pumping his dex for the defense bonus makes him much more durable than Sten, since 2hers only really have use for str.

Also his 2nd specialization also comes into play well before 25.  You don't have to max specialization trees, and tbh I don't bother going past his dispell in the templar tree.  With that and all 4 champion talents he has quite a bit of versatility and still has higher stat totals than Sten from the racial bonus and extra spec.

[Suron]

I love those trying to justify their failures.



Even on Nightmare (I'm over 500 hours in Dragon Age multiple plays and over half of them are on nightmare) the companions are as good as the player. If YOU suck, THEY suck.



and what's this with talking about DPS for a character like Alistair that's a tank? Tanks don't DPS..they...get this..tank.



Even without respecs you can, in fact, build ANY of the companions to be affective beasts. But if you don't know how to set tactics properly (and don't micro manage) then the failure is YOURS not theirs. Fact.



And of course if you do respec then that makes the blame yours even more-so.



And of course some companions are better in certain spots then others...as it should be..it's why you're a team and you have more then one person with you.



But whatever...fails will be fails...it's just hilarious when they try to justify their own fail.