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Relay 314 who was at fault?
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:07
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Turians attacked without even contacting the humans in the ship, they caused the war.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:10
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Knowing humans the turians probably made the better call
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:13
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A misunderstanding on both parts, but i think the turians acted over-aggressively.
I don't know where i read this, it was a while ago. But a turian put it as "Like taking a gun away from a child"
a human responded "Well if you take the gun away from a child your not supposed to shoot him!"
or something like that, i'm not entirely sure. I think its something that should of been avoided completely.
I don't know where i read this, it was a while ago. But a turian put it as "Like taking a gun away from a child"
a human responded "Well if you take the gun away from a child your not supposed to shoot him!"
or something like that, i'm not entirely sure. I think its something that should of been avoided completely.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:15
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nhsk wrote...
Knowing humans the turians probably made the better call
Yes lets attack someone without even knowing about them, thats great logic! <_<
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:19
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The whole thing was a misunderstanding.
I want to say that I don't think the humans should have been attacked so fast without some attempt at communication, but there would little in the way of ability to communicate them. The Citadel needs to revise their laws. Disabling the human ships instead of shooting them would have been far better.
I want to say that I don't think the humans should have been attacked so fast without some attempt at communication, but there would little in the way of ability to communicate them. The Citadel needs to revise their laws. Disabling the human ships instead of shooting them would have been far better.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:19
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kraidy1117 wrote...
nhsk wrote...
Knowing humans the turians probably made the better call
Yes lets attack someone without even knowing about them, thats great logic! <_<
They saw us and gasped. "By ancestors, those aliens are damn ugly! Quick! Kill them with (concentrated) fire! They want our lives and our women. (and we don't have an awful lot of them)"
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:20
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What got me even more angry is at the council. It took them three months, THREE MONTHS, to finally step in. It was as if they wanted the turians to wipe the humans out, but since they saw how strong the alliance was they decided to put a stop to it before it "devastates the galaxy"
If you want to be peacekeepers you need to live up to your name. They should of stopped that conflict from the beginning.
If you want to be peacekeepers you need to live up to your name. They should of stopped that conflict from the beginning.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:29
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C9316 wrote...
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Are you a Turian, mister?
Because, you know, we in rural areas call it FIRST CONTACT WAR!
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:34
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
C9316 wrote...
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Are you a Turian, mister?
Because, you know, we in rural areas call it FIRST CONTACT WAR!
Obvious cerberus fanatic is obvious.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:36
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
C9316 wrote...
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Are you a Turian, mister?
Because, you know, we in rural areas call it FIRST CONTACT WAR!
They Took Our Jobs!
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:36
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.....*puts cap over his fringes* no!!! I'm not aZulu_DFA wrote...
Are you a Turian, mister? Because, you know, we in rural areas call it FIRST CONTACT WAR!C9316 wrote... Share opinions on 314 incident here
turian. I myself can see this on both viewpoints the humans randomly activating relays and turians aggressively attacking. However seeing as humans had no real idea of what they were getting into and hastily activating relays they brought it on themselves
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:37
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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
C9316 wrote...
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Are you a Turian, mister?
Because, you know, we in rural areas call it FIRST CONTACT WAR!
Obvious cerberus fanatic is obvious.
Ad hominem.
Dismissed.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:38
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Already talked about this quite alot lol.
There are two parts to it.
A. Turians shooting the scout flotilla attempting to activate the relay
B. Following Turian bombardment of a defenseless colony.
A. Humans were at fault, they were naive, and ignorant about the dangers. Some say you can't blame someone for not knowing, that is no excuse in military thinking. If you dont know what the damn button does, do not press it, for all you know it could launcha nuke, or just pop flares.
A.2 turians had all the reason to shoot the scouts, for all we know that relay could have sparked another rachni war, we cant tell.
B. Turians went to far in abusing their power, had that colony been the only planet of humans, umans would have been devasted, and due to the turians holding military power, all the council woudl do is say "we are sorry". But then the humans got their pants on and kicked turian ass.
B2. IN conclusion the Turians overstepped their bounds. Yes if a kid is about to pull the trigger of a gun, smack the kid, knock him out cold, tackle him, w/e but you dont after wards grab the gun and fill the kid with lead, or keep beating the kid up, or stab him so he doesn't do it again. NO you first act agressively, apologize for the agression but then explain why was it necessary.
So....in case A humans are to blame, perfectly understandable for turians to blow the Scout Flotilla away:
a. Why not fire a warning shot. TO risky, the flotilla is far away from any planet and thus the only tactical solution is for the flotilla to activate the relay and try to loose their assailants on the other side hopefully buyig time to get back.
That would have potentially be a disaster.
B the following bombardment shows how turians not only shot first, but they dont even ask after they shot. The term "shot first ask later" is reasonable, but turians dont care about asking after they are agressive they just keep shooting until their trigger fingers get numb.
So it was both parties fault.
Punishment for Alliance, they received it when their scout flotilla was destroyed. So their are clean, the know the dangers and most likely alliance would do the same in the were in the Turians position.
Punishment for the Turians, increased rescentment against them all across the galaxy, even more to the idea that turians are helpful but abusing their power far too often.
Oh and of course, keep paying reparations
There are two parts to it.
A. Turians shooting the scout flotilla attempting to activate the relay
B. Following Turian bombardment of a defenseless colony.
A. Humans were at fault, they were naive, and ignorant about the dangers. Some say you can't blame someone for not knowing, that is no excuse in military thinking. If you dont know what the damn button does, do not press it, for all you know it could launcha nuke, or just pop flares.
A.2 turians had all the reason to shoot the scouts, for all we know that relay could have sparked another rachni war, we cant tell.
B. Turians went to far in abusing their power, had that colony been the only planet of humans, umans would have been devasted, and due to the turians holding military power, all the council woudl do is say "we are sorry". But then the humans got their pants on and kicked turian ass.
B2. IN conclusion the Turians overstepped their bounds. Yes if a kid is about to pull the trigger of a gun, smack the kid, knock him out cold, tackle him, w/e but you dont after wards grab the gun and fill the kid with lead, or keep beating the kid up, or stab him so he doesn't do it again. NO you first act agressively, apologize for the agression but then explain why was it necessary.
So....in case A humans are to blame, perfectly understandable for turians to blow the Scout Flotilla away:
a. Why not fire a warning shot. TO risky, the flotilla is far away from any planet and thus the only tactical solution is for the flotilla to activate the relay and try to loose their assailants on the other side hopefully buyig time to get back.
That would have potentially be a disaster.
B the following bombardment shows how turians not only shot first, but they dont even ask after they shot. The term "shot first ask later" is reasonable, but turians dont care about asking after they are agressive they just keep shooting until their trigger fingers get numb.
So it was both parties fault.
Punishment for Alliance, they received it when their scout flotilla was destroyed. So their are clean, the know the dangers and most likely alliance would do the same in the were in the Turians position.
Punishment for the Turians, increased rescentment against them all across the galaxy, even more to the idea that turians are helpful but abusing their power far too often.
Oh and of course, keep paying reparations
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:40
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C9316 wrote...
.....*puts cap over his fringes* no!!! I'm a turian. I myself can see this on both viewpoints the humans randomly activating relays and turians aggressively attacking. However seeing as humans had no real idea of what they were getting into and hastily activating relays they brought it on themselvesZulu_DFA wrote...
Are you a Turian, mister? Because, you know, we in rural areas call it FIRST CONTACT WAR!C9316 wrote... Share opinions on 314 incident here
Brought on ourselves... what? We won!
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:48
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If the danger was in a naive new species activating mass relays without knowing the consequences, why did the turians feel the need to completely wipe the scout ships out? Were they thinking they'd wipe out the immediate threat--those looking to open the relay--then hope for peaceful first contact upon seeking out where the scout ships came from? I suppose then their first mistake was that a scout ship got away to warn the Alliance.
As humans have no experience with the likes of the rachni, who are the entire reason for the Council's laws on opening mass relays, what were they supposed to think when an unknown enemy starts firing on their ships? Being an alien species, you'd wonder if the humans even knew how they could contact them to negotiate a cease fire.
The Council seems to have sided for humanity in any case, as the Turians were told to provide considerable reparations to the humans after the incident.
As humans have no experience with the likes of the rachni, who are the entire reason for the Council's laws on opening mass relays, what were they supposed to think when an unknown enemy starts firing on their ships? Being an alien species, you'd wonder if the humans even knew how they could contact them to negotiate a cease fire.
The Council seems to have sided for humanity in any case, as the Turians were told to provide considerable reparations to the humans after the incident.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:54
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Pacifien wrote...
If the danger was in a naive new species activating mass relays without knowing the consequences, why did the turians feel the need to completely wipe the scout ships out? Were they thinking they'd wipe out the immediate threat--those looking to open the relay--then hope for peaceful first contact upon seeking out where the scout ships came from? I suppose then their first mistake was that a scout ship got away to warn the Alliance.
Like I said before, why the need to destroy the ships. Is too dangerous for them to in panic activate the relay by accident. They allowed a ship to escape, meaning their innitial idea of preventing relay activation would not have succeded.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 09:59
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Both were at fault. The humans shouldn't have been so quick to turn on Mass Relays, but the Turians shouldn't have been so quick to open fire. The Turians should have tried to identify the humans, but instead they responded with fire. It's mostly the fault of the Turians, but if you look at the big picture it's the fault of both parties.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:01
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I suppose if the humans had activated the mass relay and a rachni-like race had come pouring through, the turians wouldn't have been seen as being at fault.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:05
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how to summarize that war in the simplest terms.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:07
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I blame the turians, but from their point of view it probably seemed like a good idea. Hopefully I showed the hippies why humanity needs a kick-ass navy.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:09
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Pacifien wrote...
I suppose if the humans had activated the mass relay and a rachni-like race had come pouring through, the turians wouldn't have been seen as being at fault.
Exactly.
But in w/e the vents might have turned out.
Turians had no real need, militarily speaking, political or otherwise, to shell the nearby planet to hell and beyond, there was no need. That is just their over zelous.
Like said before, shoot first ask later, is reasonable.
Not shoot , stab , bomb , and successively do harm to the ignorant party until they are dead, comatose or semi comatose.....then ask second.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:14
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Perhaps when the humans started firing back, the turians thought "Oh crap! It is another rachni-like race!" Might explain why the Council dragged their feet in ending the conflict, debating whether or not they had a truly deadly foe on their hands again. Humans might have provided a good fight, but they weren't an all-crushing army, so they realized this wasn't the rachni all over again.Spartas Husky wrote...
Turians had no real need, militarily speaking, political or otherwise, to shell the nearby planet to hell and beyond, there was no need. That is just their over zelous.
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:16
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kraidy1117 wrote...
nhsk wrote...
Knowing humans the turians probably made the better call
Yes lets attack someone without even knowing about them, thats great logic! <_<
And attacking new civilizations without knowing them never happened in human history you say?
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Posté 23 mai 2010 - 10:18
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The Turians thought the humans were just another race, that when hit, would give up. But humanity is a race known not for giving up easily. It usually takes a HUGE hit for humanity to give up. WWII, the atomic bomb. Vietnam, mass deaths on both sides. Current war, unstable economy. We fight, even when we know we cannot win and that's what the Turians weren't expecting.
