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Relay 314 who was at fault?


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Seriously? Thats like saying it was my fault for getting shot because i was standing where the bullet was fired.
"Guns don't kill people, People who stand in the way of bullets kill themselves"


No it's your fault for walking into a warzone in the first place when you knew damn well it was a warzone. We knew there were aliens out there. It was reckless and stupid what we did and in the end we were lucky to get away relatively unscathed.

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Humans started the war.



Humans as shown in alot of things that they always freak out when aliens come on over.



Its in all of the movies.



Mostly in ET.

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The Turians started the war. They made the first strike.

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Sand King wrote...

The Turians started the war. They made the first strike.


Agreed. Throughout the game you hear how Turians hate humans, and that the Turians did make the initial strike.

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No it's your fault for walking into a warzone in the first place when you knew damn well it was a warzone. We knew there were aliens out there. It was reckless and stupid what we did and in the end we were lucky to get away relatively unscathed.




No, we knew there was one alien species, which had kindly put a giant mass relay in our system for us. And that they had abandoned their Mars outpost. And it's not a war-zone anyway, if any other species that wasn't insane and genocidal had encountered us first, they would have kindly offered greetings and asked us to stop violating their laws, which we would kindly oblige.



You're a freakin' broken record.

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..................people got different opinions, by now those that believe one way or another wont change. Just state your opinions, this is getting a bit too hectic lol

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No, we knew there was one alien species, which had kindly put a giant mass relay in our system for us. And that they had abandoned their Mars outpost.


Indeed and for all we knew these aliens were still out there only now they were 50,000 years more advanced. Not a good idea to go and find them.

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And we're assuming that the alien species that had ready access to our planet and could easily observe our development 50,000 years ago, who built a relay system in our system and left it on "open access" so anybody could use it was hostile... for what reason? Just coz?



They had ample opportunity to wipe us out in our early development, and didn't bother to lock us out of the system. They left a cache of their technology on Mars for us to find. This doesn't look like hostility, this looks like a galactic welcoming party.

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I just have fun imagining turians going "Heeey, activating that relay is totally not cool.  Stop pretty please."
And the humans going "Holy hell, what is that thing?!?  It's like a space raptor.  Kill it with fire!".
But like I said, in my imagination.
Anyhow, I think the turians were a bit trigger happy and eager to show off their guns and superior firepower.  Hmm..compensating much? :P

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adam_grif wrote...

No, we knew there was one alien species, which had kindly put a giant mass relay in our system for us. And that they had abandoned their Mars outpost.


Indeed and for all we knew these aliens were still out there only now they were 50,000 years more advanced. Not a good idea to go and find them.


I agree but humans would have looked anyway.  We're curious like that.

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Tough love, sweetie. When you go sauntering through Central Park in the middle of the night dressed in a short skirt and high-heels don't expect much sympathy from me when you get mugged and raped. Activating the Charon relay was stupid, and activating other relays was even more stupid. We had it coming. All things considered we are very fortunate to have found the turians and Council; in the end they were quite reasonable with us.


You're pathetic

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The reality is that the turians were simply enforcing long term galactic law. Galactic law that humanity did not know existed. Then both sides responded to what they thought was a real military threat, the turians had no way of knowing that this was a first contact scenario.



Considering the circumstances I'd say neither side is at fault. Both sides were operating in complete ignorance of the other.

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nice, a cool little discussion is turning into a flamming battleground. should have seen this coming.

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is their fault...no is their fault, is their fault, no is their fault, is their fault, no is their fault, is their fault, no is their fault....is their fault, no is their fault lol

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adam_grif wrote...

And we're assuming that the alien species that had ready access to our planet and could easily observe our development 50,000 years ago, who built a relay system in our system and left it on "open access"...


It was encased in ice. Regardless I'm not going to assume anything about their intentions one way or another, which means they might be hostile. Even if they aren't intentionally hostile they could still do great damage to us. Most of the damage done to the American natives was unintentional.

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I find it funny how everyone who says the Turians were at fault assumes humans would have understood Turians in the first place since it is implied that the codex is an active translator (Since you can't understand the Batarians the first time you hear them in Bring Down The Sky, then the codex updates and they are speaking english). If the Turians did try to greet them, humans probably would have attacked the scary growling lizard aliens (since we're good like that). I say the Turians were in the right in the end, since someone needed to show the Humans we weren't the biggest kids on the playground.

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Sajuro wrote...

I find it funny how everyone who says the Turians were at fault assumes humans would have understood Turians in the first place since it is implied that the codex is an active translator (Since you can't understand the Batarians the first time you hear them in Bring Down The Sky, then the codex updates and they are speaking english). If the Turians did try to greet them, humans probably would have attacked the scary growling lizard aliens (since we're good like that). I say the Turians were in the right in the end, since someone needed to show the Humans we weren't the biggest kids on the playground.


humans didn't know there were even other kids to bully to begin with :P

Still.

is their fault, no, is their fault, no!! is their fault, your wrong, is their fault, no I said is their fault, your mistake is their fault,........no is their fault, no I said no! is their fault

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Spartas Husky wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I find it funny how everyone who says the Turians were at fault assumes humans would have understood Turians in the first place since it is implied that the codex is an active translator (Since you can't understand the Batarians the first time you hear them in Bring Down The Sky, then the codex updates and they are speaking english). If the Turians did try to greet them, humans probably would have attacked the scary growling lizard aliens (since we're good like that). I say the Turians were in the right in the end, since someone needed to show the Humans we weren't the biggest kids on the playground.


humans didn't know there were even other kids to bully to begin with :P

Still.

is their fault, no, is their fault, no!! is their fault, your wrong, is their fault, no I said is their fault, your mistake is their fault,........no is their fault, no I said no! is their fault

Even if there weren't, they would have bullied the shifty looking cows. Plus they might have listened to Stephen Hawking and wanted to do a preemptive strike.

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true, but you can't judge people based on the future. Unless you can READ into the future, wow. What is going to happen in 2012????? tell me I must know. Nah nah.



Your most likely right.



Still to keep going



Is their fault,, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, .............

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I can tell you, on December 12th as the world is about to supposedly end, nothing happens but all the world leaders decide "eh, **** it," and they all fire their nuclear weapons at everyone they don't like and the Earth becomes a radioactive wasteland, the only survivors are those who took shelter in underground vaults. And some Aliens who came through the mass relay see the nukes flying everywhere and are like "those are some crazy ****ers"

Because war.... war never changes

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Sajuro wrote...

I can tell you, on December 12th as the world is about to supposedly end, nothing happens but all the world leaders decide "eh, **** it," and they all fire their nuclear weapons at everyone they don't like and the Earth becomes a radioactive wasteland, the only survivors are those who took shelter in underground vaults. And some Aliens who came through the mass relay see the nukes flying everywhere and are like "those are some crazy ****ers"
Because war.... war never changes


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Sajuro wrote...



I can tell you, on December 12th as the world is about to supposedly end, nothing happens but all the world leaders decide "eh, **** it," and they all fire their nuclear weapons at everyone they don't like and the Earth becomes a radioactive wasteland, the only survivors are those who took shelter in underground vaults. And some Aliens who came through the mass relay see the nukes flying everywhere and are like "those are some crazy ****ers"

Because war.... war never changes




"In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders."

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jgordon11 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I can tell you, on December 12th as the world is about to supposedly end, nothing happens but all the world leaders decide "eh, **** it," and they all fire their nuclear weapons at everyone they don't like and the Earth becomes a radioactive wasteland, the only survivors are those who took shelter in underground vaults. And some Aliens who came through the mass relay see the nukes flying everywhere and are like "those are some crazy ****ers"
Because war.... war never changes


"In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders."

For sheps with the earth background
When they emerged, they had only the hell of the wastes to greet them. All except those in vault 101 slid close and never reopened. It is here, you were born. It is here you will die. Because in vault 101, no one ever enters and no one ever leaves
Thus, The lone wanderer is Shepard in an alternate timeline. Has your mind been blown yet?

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Vault Dweller > Lone Wanderer

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Sajuro wrote...

I find it funny how everyone who says the Turians were at fault assumes humans would have understood Turians in the first place since it is implied that the codex is an active translator (Since you can't understand the Batarians the first time you hear them in Bring Down The Sky, then the codex updates and they are speaking english). If the Turians did try to greet them, humans probably would have attacked the scary growling lizard aliens (since we're good like that).


Because the first thing you do when you meet unknown entites is shoot them right? The Turians evidently knew about the humans before the reverse, and decided to attack instead of trying to communicate, establish diplomatic relations, and introduce themselves. This is unforgivable, because the humans had shown no signs of hostility at all, and the only thing they'd done "wrong" was violate rules they didn't know existed.


I say the Turians were in the right in the end, since someone needed to show the Humans we weren't the biggest kids on the playground.


Yeah, because the most appropriate response to a foreigner stumbling into your territory without any knowledge of your laws is to savagely beat them.

Nothing about the Turian response is "right".

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adam_grif wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I find it funny how everyone who says the Turians were at fault assumes humans would have understood Turians in the first place since it is implied that the codex is an active translator (Since you can't understand the Batarians the first time you hear them in Bring Down The Sky, then the codex updates and they are speaking english). If the Turians did try to greet them, humans probably would have attacked the scary growling lizard aliens (since we're good like that).


Because the first thing you do when you meet unknown entites is shoot them right? The Turians evidently knew about the humans before the reverse, and decided to attack instead of trying to communicate, establish diplomatic relations, and introduce themselves. This is unforgivable, because the humans had shown no signs of hostility at all, and the only thing they'd done "wrong" was violate rules they didn't know existed.


I say the Turians were in the right in the end, since someone needed to show the Humans we weren't the biggest kids on the playground.


Yeah, because the most appropriate response to a foreigner stumbling into your territory without any knowledge of your laws is to savagely beat them.

Nothing about the Turian response is "right".

Again, with the scary growling would have lead to shots being fired anyway. Who knows, things might have turned out a lot differently for the natives the americas if they showed the Europeans not to **** with them.