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[Peer of the Empire]

kraidy1117 wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Knowing humans the turians probably made the better call

Yes lets attack someone without even knowing about them, thats great logic! <_<

Humans are destined to rule the galaxy, so what the turians did was only self-preservation.

[Spartas Husky]

Sajuro wrote...

I can tell you, on December 12th as the world is about to supposedly end, nothing happens but all the world leaders decide "eh, **** it," and they all fire their nuclear weapons at everyone they don't like and the Earth becomes a radioactive wasteland, the only survivors are those who took shelter in underground vaults. And some Aliens who came through the mass relay see the nukes flying everywhere and are like "those are some crazy ****ers"
Because war.... war never changes

HAHAHAHAHAH...

btw I always forget to find out, the dude who talk sin that intro is Hell boy guy right?

[EricHVela]

Yes. Ron Perlman.

[Spartas Husky]

He is a kool voice actor....better voice actor than real actor duno why .



Kind a like the dude from predator....damn I suck at actor's names lol. Admiral Hacket, awesome voice .

[Sand King]

Spartas Husky wrote...

He is a kool voice actor....better voice actor than real actor duno why .

Kind a like the dude from predator....damn I suck at actor's names lol. Admiral Hacket, awesome voice .

Lance Henriksen (from Aliens)

[TelexFerra]

I blame pi

[EatChildren]

Nobody's 'fault', but instead a collective of bad decisions and knee jerk reactions.



The Turians were notorious for nipping problems at the bud before planning things out in the long run, as well as their hyper aggressive "finish them off completely" strategy when it comes to war. While they probably should have held off, from the Citadel experience of having to deal with stuff like the Rachni, a huge issue of which humans had experienced nothing close to, the Turians probably felt that it was much safer to cut humanity back immediately than risk "oh just one more relay". That one more relay could have been disasterous, and with so many lives at stake you cant take risks.



On the other hand, being the inexperienced child of the galaxy should have lead to a softer approach from the galactic community. We had not dealt with anything on a scale of the Rachni Wars, and while our opening of relays would seem wreckless to others, we had no reason to believe there was a risk at all. Afterall, prior to the Rachni Wars the other races were approaching relay exploration in a similar manner.



And from then on out it was simply Turians being the cocky ****s that they are and refusing to give in, while Humans acting in a similar abit more defensive position.



So yeah, nobody's fault, as both sides had suitable reasons for their actions, but one that thankfully got resolved before it got too out of hand.

[Spartas Husky]

Sand King wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

He is a kool voice actor....better voice actor than real actor duno why .

Kind a like the dude from predator....damn I suck at actor's names lol. Admiral Hacket, awesome voice .

Lance Henriksen (from Aliens)

I suck at names, period, that is my one big flaw, I am charismatic funny, always cheering....but I never remember peopl's names... I am self concious about it...so I usually give nicknames lol.

From time to time I still call my gf Tiny....

Lets see other good actors in name. OOOOO, Captain Anderson YEAH.......who is he???

Him and.....

[Sand King]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Lets see other good actors in name. OOOOO, Captain Anderson YEAH.......who is he???

Keith David he was also the Arbiter in Halo 2/3

[Niddy']

Humans. You aren't suppose to open any relay without permission. To do so warrants your destruction.

Modifié par Niddy', 24 mai 2010 - 04:04 .

[Sajuro]

Niddy' wrote...

Humans. You aren't suppose to open any relay without permission. To do so warrants your destruction.

Though most humans would probably respond to that with a message of 'Screw you lizard man'

[Spartas Husky]

Sand King wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Lets see other good actors in name. OOOOO, Captain Anderson YEAH.......who is he???

Keith David he was also the Arbiter in Halo 2/3

WHAT??? he was Arbiter?? ....omg....omg damn. lol. I know he is in MW2...but the Arbiter? it never even occurred to me. Awesome.

Lets see...........General Sheppherd, ...nvm just realize General Sphepherd is also Lance Henriksen....wow he dont sound nuthin like Hacket.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 24 mai 2010 - 04:27 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

Is there actually discussion whether the turians were in the right? Isn't the fact that the Council forced the turians to pay humanity with large reparations evidence that they were wrong?

[Asheer_Khan]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Is there actually discussion whether the turians were in the right? Isn't the fact that the Council forced the turians to pay humanity with large reparations evidence that they were wrong?

You wrong.

Those reparations were Turians goodwill gesture towards humanity as gratitude for saving the Council during fight whit Sovieregin and i really don't known from where you get the idea that they were forced to pay them?

In case when old coucil died Turians staring mass build of deadnoughts and prepare themself for First Contact War - round two.

[Zulu_DFA]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Is there actually discussion whether the turians were in the right? Isn't the fact that the Council forced the turians to pay humanity with large reparations evidence that they were wrong?

You wrong.

Those reparations were Turians goodwill gesture towards humanity as gratitude for saving the Council during fight whit Sovieregin and i really don't known from where you get the idea that they were forced to pay them?

In case when old coucil died Turians staring mass build of deadnoughts and prepare themself for First Contact War - round two.

I have a feeling the most goodwill Turians' (or is it STG?) gesture is to pay some dishonest humans money to call the the First Contact War some other names, present all aliens as white and fluffy in general and Humans as a blight on the Galaxy. Freaking fifth column liberals.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 24 mai 2010 - 10:50 .

[devilsgrin]

EatChildren wrote...

Nobody's 'fault', but instead a collective of bad decisions and knee jerk reactions.

The Turians were notorious for nipping problems at the bud before planning things out in the long run, as well as their hyper aggressive "finish them off completely" strategy when it comes to war. While they probably should have held off, from the Citadel experience of having to deal with stuff like the Rachni, a huge issue of which humans had experienced nothing close to, the Turians probably felt that it was much safer to cut humanity back immediately than risk "oh just one more relay". That one more relay could have been disasterous, and with so many lives at stake you cant take risks.

On the other hand, being the inexperienced child of the galaxy should have lead to a softer approach from the galactic community. We had not dealt with anything on a scale of the Rachni Wars, and while our opening of relays would seem wreckless to others, we had no reason to believe there was a risk at all. Afterall, prior to the Rachni Wars the other races were approaching relay exploration in a similar manner.

And from then on out it was simply Turians being the cocky ****s that they are and refusing to give in, while Humans acting in a similar abit more defensive position.

So yeah, nobody's fault, as both sides had suitable reasons for their actions, but one that thankfully got resolved before it got too out of hand.

i agree with this.

neither side were at fault. both the humans and turians made mistakes, both paid for them.
to imply that humanity "won" that little war is stretching it a great deal. Against the entire weight of the highly active and experienced turian fleets, humanity is as nothing - certainly not going down without a fight, but losing ultimately regardless.
Arguing an Ignorance defense, in defending humanity's opening of inactive relays, is no defence at all. ignorance of the law will not save you in any human justice system (it may result it a slightly less severe sentence, but then again, probably not), why should it save you in an intergalactic legal system thousands of years old, enforced by a militarised and strictly heirarchical society such as the Turians. the fault is always the offenders. Humanity broke Citadel law. humanity was punished, albiet  far to harshly, humanity stepped up and drew a line in the "sand." Lucky for us, the Council stepped in to stop the Turians from moving against us. 

Modifié par devilsgrin, 24 mai 2010 - 11:10 .

[Apocalypse89]

The initial attack on the scouts was an understandable action by the turians, and I don't blame them for acting the way they did. I actually blame the Citadel government for not having some kind of "First Contact protocol" for dealing with new spacefaring races who don't know of the Citadel and its law and history, and who you'd expect to be activating relays out of innocent curiosity. Put a bunch of heavily armed guys in an unclear, potentially dangeorus situation without any instructions and things will turn messy very fast, as they did.

The subsequent attack on Shanxi though was completely unwarranted, and the turians deserved every casualty they sustained during it.

Modifié par Apocalypse89, 24 mai 2010 - 12:03 .

[Chickenaut]

I believed Turian at fault, because they didn't actually guard that relay 314 properly. If they have list of relays that forbidden to open, at least they attached a probe near every forbidden relay, and that probe sent a warning messages for incoming ship. Any curious race will check the probe first. Shanxi bombing is cover up for Turian incompetence.

[lovgreno]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Is their fault,, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, .............

Yes, that is basicaly what the Relay 314 conflict was about.

Still I can't blame neither turians nor humans for playing it safe and shoot first and shoot back more just to be safe. This was a unknown spieces with a lot of guns suddenly showing up on the doorstep for both races. And heaven forbid that anyone would admit being wrong! Weak egos thinks that is weakness when it is actualy learning and adapting. But no one is perfect and all that.

This kind of thing have often happened in human history. When different cultures meet there will inevitably be missunderstandings and problems, often violent problems.

Then the rulers will try to make contact but those who stubbornly thinks that giving anything to the former and still potential enemy is weakness (heaven forbid that anyone would make you seem weak!) will slow things down. Meanwhile us traders will repair damages and start trade with the other culture, wich will benefit both parties in the long run. That is about where the turians and humans are now.

So unless the small minded turians and humans start a war again economy will stabilise things enough between the races.

This might seem like a critisism against military but I assure you that it's not. I am very gratefull that the military stands ready for when situations like the Relay 314 conflict may (and probably will) happen.

[Spartas Husky]

lovgreno wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Is their fault,, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, no is their fault, .............

Yes, that is basicaly what the Relay 314 conflict was about.

Still I can't blame neither turians nor humans for playing it safe and shoot first and shoot back more just to be safe. This was a unknown spieces with a lot of guns suddenly showing up on the doorstep for both races. And heaven forbid that anyone would admit being wrong! Weak egos thinks that is weakness when it is actualy learning and adapting. But no one is perfect and all that.

This kind of thing have often happened in human history. When different cultures meet there will inevitably be missunderstandings and problems, often violent problems.

Then the rulers will try to make contact but those who stubbornly thinks that giving anything to the former and still potential enemy is weakness (heaven forbid that anyone would make you seem weak!) will slow things down. Meanwhile us traders will repair damages and start trade with the other culture, wich will benefit both parties in the long run. That is about where the turians and humans are now.

So unless the small minded turians and humans start a war again economy will stabilise things enough between the races.

This might seem like a critisism against military but I assure you that it's not. I am very gratefull that the military stands ready for when situations like the Relay 314 conflict may (and probably will) happen.

ANd the real, deal behind it is simple.
A

Is the Human's alliance fault for being ignorant. It isn't fair, but most things in life aren't. Most likely humanity had protocols of "what if the opened relay leads to hostile aliens", but the galaxy already suffered the "what if " turned out to be correct. SO, unknownly is the alliance fault.

B.
Is the damn turians, there was no reason to overkill the alliance troops and the nearby colony, tactically, politically or otherwise, there isn't any. CLient race?....what is a 1 planet client race going to do for the turians???. But they didn't realize about carriers, and they got their asses kicked.

Simple, yet elegant, it was both to blame, one for starting it, the other one for enlarging it.

But pls do continue

Is their fault, no is their fault, no I said is their fault, no is their fault......

[lovgreno]

Spartas Husky wrote...
ANd the real, deal behind it is simple.
A

Is the Human's alliance fault for being ignorant. It isn't fair, but most things in life aren't. Most likely humanity had protocols of "what if the opened relay leads to hostile aliens", but the galaxy already suffered the "what if " turned out to be correct. SO, unknownly is the alliance fault.

B.
Is the damn turians, there was no reason to overkill the alliance troops and the nearby colony, tactically, politically or otherwise, there isn't any. CLient race?....what is a 1 planet client race going to do for the turians???. But they didn't realize about carriers, and they got their asses kicked.

Simple, yet elegant, it was both to blame, one for starting it, the other one for enlarging it.

But pls do continue

Is their fault, no is their fault, no I said is their fault, no is their fault......

It's their faulth, no it's their fa.... Oh I give up. Terra Firma, Cerberus and Joram Talid does that rambling much better than me.

I agree with you of course. Now perhaps I can interest you in this gun I just bought from the turians? I admit that weapons is more your expertise but those turians can sure make things that are reliable.

[Panda Warlock]

It was Crab People

[Spartas Husky]

lovgreno wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
ANd the real, deal behind it is simple.
A

Is the Human's alliance fault for being ignorant. It isn't fair, but most things in life aren't. Most likely humanity had protocols of "what if the opened relay leads to hostile aliens", but the galaxy already suffered the "what if " turned out to be correct. SO, unknownly is the alliance fault.

B.
Is the damn turians, there was no reason to overkill the alliance troops and the nearby colony, tactically, politically or otherwise, there isn't any. CLient race?....what is a 1 planet client race going to do for the turians???. But they didn't realize about carriers, and they got their asses kicked.

Simple, yet elegant, it was both to blame, one for starting it, the other one for enlarging it.

But pls do continue

Is their fault, no is their fault, no I said is their fault, no is their fault......

It's their faulth, no it's their fa.... Oh I give up. Terra Firma, Cerberus and Joram Talid does that rambling much better than me.

I agree with you of course. Now perhaps I can interest you in this gun I just bought from the turians? I admit that weapons is more your expertise but those turians can sure make things that are reliable.

hehehe, a nice portable heavy weapon mini Thanix canno would be actually rather nice if you can aqcquire one. I'd be happy to pay some....$$$ for a *cough* dlc*cough* of the sort:whistle::whistle:

[SwordsmanofShadow]

While both sides have their share of the blame, humans also have a lot more to answer for than the Turians. As stated, humans where the ones who where going around opening uncharted relay's. Since communication was impossible, the turians did what they could in that situation: just shot and hope for the best.



Here's where it gets complicated- after seeing their scout ships destroyed, Shanxi sent out a retaliatory force to wipe out the turian flotilla. It was only then that the Turians invaded Shanxi. The rest as we know is history.



So both sides did what was reasonably available to them at the time, especially when communication at the time was virtually non-existent. However, just because humans didn't know the law doesn't make them immune to it. Yeah it sucks for the humans who died during the Relay 314 Incident, but even now humans admit that what they where doing back then was incredibly foolish. The turians did what they had too.

[lovgreno]

Spartas Husky wrote

hehehe, a nice portable heavy weapon mini Thanix canno would be actually rather nice if you can aqcquire one. I'd be happy to pay some....$$$ for a *cough* dlc*cough* of the sort:whistle:

Now realy, you gotta know this one is on me. I sure wouldn't mind if you used it on some of those batarians messing up my buissnes though... And if you and your military friends are hungry or need some medigel just ask in my store and I will spare all I can.
Thanix cannon... Hmm... I will talk with the turians about it. But if you shoot at turians that deal will fail hard of course. You know how it is, everything is about politics wether we like it or not. Not fun, ideal or fair but that's how it is.

Modifié par lovgreno, 24 mai 2010 - 10:33 .