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[Lisa_H]

Busomjack wrote...

I liked it. It just goes to show how much a Grey Warden is willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

But my HN did not even want to be Grey Warden. She was conscripted against her will while she was crying over her dying father. And then told that she;

1. Probably never would be able to have children

2. Would die within 30 years.

But I guess it shows how ruthless the wardens can be.

[Carmen_Willow]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I liked it. It just goes to show how much a Grey Warden is willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

I'm not sure it shows that really - the problem is that almost nothing of the sacrifices are told to the recruits before they join. Just that joining is dangerous.

I think it only counts as a willing sacrifice if you know about it before making the decision to join.

More than showing what the Grey Warden is willing to sacrifice, I think it shows what the organization of the Grey Wardens is willing to do, or conceal, to keep up it's membership. Not that this would not make the sacrifice a real sacrifice, of course.

It makes it MORE of a sacrifice because if you knew, at least you would be trading a value for a value or at least be able to give "informed consent."  In this story, you aren't given a choice; it's drink or die, and you don't know why until you've done it.  So perhaps, you are forced to give up something you value highly (an untainted body) for something you don't value as much (saving the world).  Now that's a sacrifice; one where they've used a good deal of force to get you to make it. Since Duncan literally holds a sword over you, you can't really call it a choice.
 
It's the most real of all sacrifices; one where you are forced to give up something you value for something you don't.

[Suron]

Busomjack wrote...

I liked it. It just goes to show how much a Grey Warden is willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

uh..NO grey warden knows about this until AFTER they've become one.

so what nonsense are you talking?  This isn't something they chose to "sacrifice for the greater good"..they choose to try and become a warden..AFTER becoming one...they're thrown into this.

there's nothing "noble" about this particular part of being a Warden...as, again, none of them know until after they've become one...and at that point they have no choice.

[TheSpaceKraken]

Well, Avernus has seemingly and conveniently learned to master the taint.

[Hyper Cutter]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Grey Wardens as a whole are devoted to protecting people, but the nobility thing stops there.  After that, it's each Warden's character that defines him.

I kind of wish certain Wardens *coughAlistaircough* would remember that...

[MistySun]

Forgive me if i seem stupid but was Avernus ever a grey warden?

[old book]

Avernus was and is a Warden when your character meets him. He survived the taint (and extended his life) through Blood Magic. It's also implied that his experiments helped him extend his life.

[Elhanan]

Marry either Isolde, Anora, or Oghren: it will seem longer....

[Zy-El]

I know the Warden acquires Blood powers if s/he quaffs Avernus' potion. Does it also slow the death by taint?? I always left Avernus alive so that he could continue his research. Maybe he'll turn up something.

[Lord Gremlin]

Zy-El wrote...

I know the Warden acquires Blood powers if s/he quaffs Avernus' potion. Does it also slow the death by taint?? I always left Avernus alive so that he could continue his research. Maybe he'll turn up something.

I've actually found it strange that although you can drink dragon blood and Avernus' potion during game, modifying your taint, it's never mentioned in the ending.

[GardenSnake]

 Old news.

[Sarah1281]

It is kind of strange Alistair never tells you unless he likes you. Couldn't 'oh, and you've got less than than thirty years to live' be something he tells someone he couldn't stand to ****** them off?

[Fishy]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It is kind of strange Alistair never tells you unless he likes you. Couldn't 'oh, and you've got less than than thirty years to live' be something he tells someone he couldn't stand to ****** them off?

Because hmm . You  have to save Felreden  and the world from an eminent blight ?

It's more like this

Allistair:Hey i want to tell ya!!

PC:YEAH
Allistair:Well i know we have to save the day , the world and the princess panties but.

PC:What do you want?

Allistair:That in 30 years well be probably dead .. I mean after fighting hundred and thousand of abomination  , monster and supporting Morrigan you can imagine.I really wonder ow we survived so far.Sometime i hear click .. click  .. That weird too .. Like we're being manipulated!

PC:YEAYEAH WHATEVER

Allistair:But Warden don't anyway survive 30 years.The taint kill us ..

PC: AHHH BUT I DOn'T WANT TO DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE.I have so much stuff planned  ... In 30 years i want to do this and this and this and this.

Allistair:Really?

PC:No .

Allistair:I though you was being Honest.

PC: I hate you

[MistySun]

I kept Avenus alive too...first playthrough i did drink his potion but we never know how long we lived anyway even if we did drink it or not.
ALISTAIR: Did you just drink some red wine or what was it?
PC: I drank some foul tasting red juice.
ALISTAIR: Well it seems to of done you no harm...you are still standing...and breathing i see.
PC: Thank you for your concern Alistair but i feel kind of strange.
Alistair: You mean strange as in Morrigan?
PC: Leave Morrigan out of this..i just feel strange as in strange i feel. Let's move on shall we?
Alistair: As you wish. Lead on.