It seems in this game world, the "Right Of Conscription" is an established law that a Grey Warden can invoke anywhere, anytime upon anyone and it's a given that they are obeyed without question.
It got me wondering if there is an explanation anywhere I might have missed that explains what might happen if somebody were to say "no way, not interested!"
Just curious.
The "Right Of Conscription"
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Posté 24 mai 2010 - 02:16
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And, as I recall, it was granted to the Order by all the nations of Thedas during one of the early Blights. They needed the best of the best, and couldn't afford to be rejected: civilisation was on the line.
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Posté 24 mai 2010 - 02:35
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As a side note: Right Of Conscription has more weight during a blight then during peace time.
The only person who is not under Right Of Conscription is the king, but everyone else is fair game, but the social class of the person, the more political strings are attached. That is why GW have so more Blood magi, rouges and other out class in their ranks.
The only person who is not under Right Of Conscription is the king, but everyone else is fair game, but the social class of the person, the more political strings are attached. That is why GW have so more Blood magi, rouges and other out class in their ranks.
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Posté 24 mai 2010 - 07:20
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Even if some did so say " no way, not interested" , its doesn't matter what they say or think, they don't have a say in the matter. Then again probley there only way out would be is if they don't survive the joining.
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Posté 24 mai 2010 - 07:47
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i think the right of conscription is more to keep the authorities from killing a potential grey warden then pressing someone into service.
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Posté 25 mai 2010 - 04:46
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No one is above the Right of Conscription, even the king. It would be a terrible idea to Conscript the king - the kind of consequence that involves the Wardens being exiled from Ferelden - but it could happen.
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Posté 25 mai 2010 - 07:56
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easy way out is go with duncan like you were gona do it then when he turns his back to you chop his head off
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Posté 25 mai 2010 - 01:19
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katie916 wrote...
easy way out is go with duncan like you were gona do it then when he turns his back to you chop his head off
You can't chop his head off, his beard is impervious to any known weapon.
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Posté 25 mai 2010 - 02:14
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The Grey Wardens' numbers have dwindled over the years and so has their importance among others. Some feel that Grey Wardens are just free loaders, being funded for no reason. The Right of Conscription is still intact but, only taken seriously outside Feralden. In Feralden, people either should volunteer to fight for your cause(example Ser Jory) or a consequence must be present to force a man into the order(Daveth). Duncan has played it safe as he knows that conscripting someone in Feralden, just like that would cause problems unless they are a commoner or lesser.
Outside Feralden ofcourse, it's a completely different story and nations treat the order with great respect. One is even ruled by the Grey Wardens.
Outside Feralden ofcourse, it's a completely different story and nations treat the order with great respect. One is even ruled by the Grey Wardens.
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Posté 25 mai 2010 - 06:56
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This reminds me of Lothering, when you can attempt to invoke the Right of Conscription on Sten, and the Revered Mother casually refuses. I understand that the Grey Wardens aren't exactly on proper political footing at this point in the game, but come on. How arrogant and self-righteous do you have to be to simply say "hm, no" to the evocation of an ancient law of the land? If Bioware was trying to reinforce my hatred of the Chantry leadership with that dialogue option, they succeeded quite spectacularly.
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Posté 25 mai 2010 - 08:53
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The back of his neck?Sloth Of Doom wrote...
You can't chop his head off, his beard is impervious to any known weapon.katie916 wrote...
easy way out is go with duncan like you were gona do it then when he turns his back to you chop his head off
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 12:18
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How arrogant and self-righteous do you have to be to simply say "hm, no" to the evocation of an ancient law of the land?.
It is true that the Right of Conscription is an ancient privilege given to the Grey Wardens, but you have to understand
that Fereldans don't really care(which is why I really like them over all other nations, their self-respect). The Grey Wardens have already been exiled and were only allowed after 20 years. Personally, I would except a "A Grey Warden? so what?" attitude all the way through the game, but I didn't, because Fereldans are honor bound and have shown respect as they thought that the order deserved it. However, it doesn't give the Grey Wardens any kind of upper hand and just take a man from his home to fight for their cause.
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 12:24
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Heh. I get the feeling that the Chantry does whatever the Chantry bloody well pleases, King or no King.Schneidend wrote...
This reminds me of Lothering, when you can attempt to invoke the Right of Conscription on Sten, and the Revered Mother casually refuses. I understand that the Grey Wardens aren't exactly on proper political footing at this point in the game, but come on. How arrogant and self-righteous do you have to be to simply say "hm, no" to the evocation of an ancient law of the land? If Bioware was trying to reinforce my hatred of the Chantry leadership with that dialogue option, they succeeded quite spectacularly.
There's another example of precisely this attitude in Awakening... also regarding the Right of Conscription.
*thinks that, sooner or later, the Chantry is going to be needing a lesson in humility... or maybe just a good swift kick*
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 09:34
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Duncan himself mentions that the Right of Conscription can have political repercussions which wouldn't do the Wardens any favors, and he was a prudent man who invoked the Right only when necessary. Out of the six origin stories, Duncan invokes the Right in three of them. He will invoke it in a fourth story if the PC is too stubborn. As for Alistair and the Warden recruits you meet in camp before the Battle of Ostagar, two were taken by the Right (Alistair and Daveth) and one was a volunteer (Ser Jory).
It is worth noting, I believe, that the reasons the Wardens were exiled from Ferelden had nothing to do with the Right of Conscription and everything to do with getting involved in politics. In addition, the fact that the Wardens have political power in the Anderfels seems to have more to do with the lack of a strong government rather than any political ambitions on the part of the Grey Wardens as a whole.
It is worth noting, I believe, that the reasons the Wardens were exiled from Ferelden had nothing to do with the Right of Conscription and everything to do with getting involved in politics. In addition, the fact that the Wardens have political power in the Anderfels seems to have more to do with the lack of a strong government rather than any political ambitions on the part of the Grey Wardens as a whole.
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 10:07
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The wardens themselves make sure they don't use it on someone not suited. They pick the candidates carefully. They're clever about who they pick to make sure it doesn't end badly and usually they pick right or they end up like Jory.
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 10:12
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marbatico wrote...
i think the right of conscription is more to keep the authorities from killing a potential grey warden then pressing someone into service.
Not so much, you are not allowed to refuse if you are conscripted - as Duncan may say in some of the origin stories when you try to refuse.
Of course one can wonder if it´s wise to force someone in - if they´d do that with me I would kill the guy who recruited me asap and run away.......
Afaik the Right of Conscription was grantd to the Wardens when it was still known that they were necessary to defeat a blight and not just good warriors. It seems most of Thedas are cowards who wouldn´t join the wardens if they knew about the joining and the Archdemon killing problem so they need the Right to make sure there are enough wardens.
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 10:52
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There is a possibility of politics being involved but as I have said before, I think the recruitment into the order works a bit differently in Fereldan. In all of Thedas, Grey Wardens are a strong, feared and respected order. But just think what would happen if they just start invoking the right on every person they see who might be competent as a warrior, just after their arrival into Fereldan? They'd just be driven out again. I never said that them being exiled has something to do with the right. For many years they were not allowed to the country which is the reason, people of Fereldan have forgotten about the order's strength and importance over the years and also the strictness of the right.
*spoiler* Duncan warns Alistair not to anger anyone, even the mages. Now, I doubt mages are involved in the politics of Fereldan and also there isn't much threat from the mages. It's just that Duncan understands, that mages are important assets to gain new recruits from, in the future, whenever necessary.
As far as Alistair goes, I think it was more of a lucky break for both Duncan and Alistair when Duncan conscripted him. Even though the Grand Cleric wouldn't have suffered much of a problem from the king(if at all), if she had refused. Still, she let him go only because the right was allowed by King Maric and she either respected the king's decree, had respect for the Grey Warden order(which I doubt) or both.
Another example *Awakening Spoiler*
The knight-commander who escorted the King or Queen after the first battle at Vigil's Keep. If the king or the queen would not have been there, she wouldn't have let me go so easily when I conscripted Anders into the order.(remember the second time we confronted her, we had to kill her which proves my point).
*spoiler* Duncan warns Alistair not to anger anyone, even the mages. Now, I doubt mages are involved in the politics of Fereldan and also there isn't much threat from the mages. It's just that Duncan understands, that mages are important assets to gain new recruits from, in the future, whenever necessary.
As far as Alistair goes, I think it was more of a lucky break for both Duncan and Alistair when Duncan conscripted him. Even though the Grand Cleric wouldn't have suffered much of a problem from the king(if at all), if she had refused. Still, she let him go only because the right was allowed by King Maric and she either respected the king's decree, had respect for the Grey Warden order(which I doubt) or both.
Another example *Awakening Spoiler*
The knight-commander who escorted the King or Queen after the first battle at Vigil's Keep. If the king or the queen would not have been there, she wouldn't have let me go so easily when I conscripted Anders into the order.(remember the second time we confronted her, we had to kill her which proves my point).
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 01:20
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Nu-Nu wrote...
The wardens themselves make sure they don't use it on someone not suited. They pick the candidates carefully. They're clever about who they pick to make sure it doesn't end badly and usually they pick right or they end up like Jory.
I thought Duncan handled Jory's anxiety very poorly. It should have been obvious the poor guy was wavering so Duncan should have had him drink first. Or, after Daveth dies, at least have the pc drink next and hopefully live, so Jory sees there is a chance. Instead, Duncan set Jory up to fail. I guess it just shows that no one is perfect.
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 09:06
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Since this is already a spoiler thread...
The Revered Mother in Lothering deserved what she got. Cranky, holier-than-thou old ****. It's the right of conscription. You don't get to say "no." If you do, you die.
The Revered Mother in Lothering deserved what she got. Cranky, holier-than-thou old ****. It's the right of conscription. You don't get to say "no." If you do, you die.
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Posté 26 mai 2010 - 11:02
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Magnum Opus wrote...
Heh. I get the feeling that the Chantry does whatever the Chantry bloody well pleases, King or no King.Schneidend wrote...
This reminds me of Lothering, when you can attempt to invoke the Right of Conscription on Sten, and the Revered Mother casually refuses. I understand that the Grey Wardens aren't exactly on proper political footing at this point in the game, but come on. How arrogant and self-righteous do you have to be to simply say "hm, no" to the evocation of an ancient law of the land? If Bioware was trying to reinforce my hatred of the Chantry leadership with that dialogue option, they succeeded quite spectacularly.
There's another example of precisely this attitude in Awakening... also regarding the Right of Conscription.
*thinks that, sooner or later, the Chantry is going to be needing a lesson in humility... or maybe just a good swift kick*
That's my feeling about the Chantry, as well...and why not? They have a private, multinational army and probably more influence among the common people than the nobility. I awonder about the practicality of Loghain siding with Uldred or the King freeing the Circle from Chantry oversight as a boon to a mage PC. Would the chantry really back off without a fight, particularly given that Ferelden has lost a ton of its military might at Ostagar and has been teetering on the brink of civil war, while the Templar army sat on the sidelines?
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 12:05
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I agree with this. There is no way the Chantry would simply let the Circle go free without a fight. If the Chantry in Ferelden can't do something about it themselves, they'd certainly appeal to the Divine in Orlais, which could possibly lead to an exalted march.maxernst wrote...
Magnum Opus wrote...
Heh. I get the feeling that the Chantry does whatever the Chantry bloody well pleases, King or no King.Schneidend wrote...
This reminds me of Lothering, when you can attempt to invoke the Right of Conscription on Sten, and the Revered Mother casually refuses. I understand that the Grey Wardens aren't exactly on proper political footing at this point in the game, but come on. How arrogant and self-righteous do you have to be to simply say "hm, no" to the evocation of an ancient law of the land? If Bioware was trying to reinforce my hatred of the Chantry leadership with that dialogue option, they succeeded quite spectacularly.
There's another example of precisely this attitude in Awakening... also regarding the Right of Conscription.
*thinks that, sooner or later, the Chantry is going to be needing a lesson in humility... or maybe just a good swift kick*
That's my feeling about the Chantry, as well...and why not? They have a private, multinational army and probably more influence among the common people than the nobility. I awonder about the practicality of Loghain siding with Uldred or the King freeing the Circle from Chantry oversight as a boon to a mage PC. Would the chantry really back off without a fight, particularly given that Ferelden has lost a ton of its military might at Ostagar and has been teetering on the brink of civil war, while the Templar army sat on the sidelines?
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Posté 27 mai 2010 - 12:31
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I wonder what they would have done if your character had an option to just slip out of camp before the joining? It's not like they could stop them.
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Posté 26 octobre 2010 - 07:17
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why was the female noble forced into the joining? she did nothing wrong. she could have gotten close to the arl howe to kill him later. maybe her life was being spared? did duncan know of the conspiracy against the king?
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Posté 26 octobre 2010 - 07:29
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What? It's not a punishment. It's a recruitment of the most skilled people. If they really need you and you won't join willingly, they'll conscript, because they have to have wardens, people who can sense the darkspawn and the archdemon. And they'll conscript as a way to get people released to them who are otherwise unavailable. All other things, such as Howe's treachery are secondary and have to come later.kaniwynplz wrote...
why was the female noble forced into the joining? she did nothing wrong. she could have gotten close to the arl howe to kill him later. maybe her life was being spared? did duncan know of the conspiracy against the king?
No, Duncan didn't know. He recruited her because he had to have a warden.
Alistair tells the PC, if conscripted, that Duncan rarely has to do that. That's because people see it as a great honor.
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Posté 26 octobre 2010 - 10:33
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It's a great honor so people usually accept. While not officially covered in DA:O, I got the impression it is punishable to refuse to be conscripted. I'm not sure what that punishment usually entails but Jory refused to drink the Darkspawn blood and was killed by Duncan.
As for trying to free Sten via Conscription and the Reverend Mother refusing, I didn't try it but her refusing should not have been a possibility even given the grounds on which the Wardens were currently standing.
As for trying to free Sten via Conscription and the Reverend Mother refusing, I didn't try it but her refusing should not have been a possibility even given the grounds on which the Wardens were currently standing.
