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The "Right Of Conscription"


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cosgamer wrote...

It's a great honor so people usually accept. While not officially covered in DA:O, I got the impression it is punishable to refuse to be conscripted. I'm not sure what that punishment usually entails but Jory refused to drink the Darkspawn blood and was killed by Duncan.

As for trying to free Sten via Conscription and the Reverend Mother refusing, I didn't try it but her refusing should not have been a possibility even given the grounds on which the Wardens were currently standing.

I don't know.... The wardens have been named traitors and outlawed.... That pretty much takes away any power one might have had. Wardens don't have huge numbers. It's respect that gets things done for them, and without that, there's not much they can really do.

Thing is, you don't try to conscript Sten, because you're not planning on making him a warden. You can't make him a warden. Pretty sure you'd have to kill Sten if you tried, too.

Modifié par errant_knight, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:38 .


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errant_knight wrote...

cosgamer wrote...

It's a great honor so people usually accept. While not officially covered in DA:O, I got the impression it is punishable to refuse to be conscripted. I'm not sure what that punishment usually entails but Jory refused to drink the Darkspawn blood and was killed by Duncan.

As for trying to free Sten via Conscription and the Reverend Mother refusing, I didn't try it but her refusing should not have been a possibility even given the grounds on which the Wardens were currently standing.

I don't know.... The wardens have been named traitors and outlawed.... That pretty much takes away any power one might have had. Wardens don't have huge numbers. It's respect that gets things done for them, and without that, there's not much they can really do.

Thing is, you don't try to conscript Sten, because you're not planning on making him a warden. You can't make him a warden. Pretty sure you'd have to kill Sten if you tried, too.


True, which is why I never considered trying it.  Ideally, they could have done a better job of mentioning the consequences should someone deny conscription; that which cannot be denied.

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cosgamer wrote...

It's a great honor so people usually accept. While not officially covered in DA:O, I got the impression it is punishable to refuse to be conscripted. I'm not sure what that punishment usually entails but Jory refused to drink the Darkspawn blood and was killed by Duncan.

I disagree with your example. I think it's a case of Jory was killed because his survival (and refusal) might lead to the secrets of the Joining being leaked out. To me, it's one of those secrets that stays within the Wardens, and should forever remain so lest people find more reason to call for the end to the Wardens.

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OnlyShallow89 wrote...

cosgamer wrote...

It's a great honor so people usually accept. While not officially covered in DA:O, I got the impression it is punishable to refuse to be conscripted. I'm not sure what that punishment usually entails but Jory refused to drink the Darkspawn blood and was killed by Duncan.

I disagree with your example. I think it's a case of Jory was killed because his survival (and refusal) might lead to the secrets of the Joining being leaked out. To me, it's one of those secrets that stays within the Wardens, and should forever remain so lest people find more reason to call for the end to the Wardens.


Great point re the killing of Jory. 

Modifié par cosgamer, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:40 .


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The Velveteen Rabbit wrote...

No one is above the Right of Conscription, even the king. It would be a terrible idea to Conscript the king - the kind of consequence that involves the Wardens being exiled from Ferelden - but it could happen.

Not really. If the king said no and used his guard for protection, the Grey Warden would launch an attack from the Anderfels onto whatever country refused?

Laws only only work if they are recognized and enforced.

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The second the right of conscription was invoked (and yeah I know I was lying but the revered mother doesn't know that) she should have stood down but she didn't I hate that Alistair talks her down I would have loved to kill her right then and there and When Alistair says I refuse to let that happen I really wish I had the option to ask him who was in charge, I love that he stands up to my character in that instance but it should have gone farther. It seems that by rights I should have at least had the ability to beat her down and take the key from her. which would suit many of my characters just fine.

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frostajulie wrote...

The second the right of conscription was invoked (and yeah I know I was lying but the revered mother doesn't know that) she should have stood down but she didn't I hate that Alistair talks her down I would have loved to kill her right then and there and When Alistair says I refuse to let that happen I really wish I had the option to ask him who was in charge, I love that he stands up to my character in that instance but it should have gone farther. It seems that by rights I should have at least had the ability to beat her down and take the key from her. which would suit many of my characters just fine.


Well, if you demand that he tell you about a certain thing in the game that only he can tell you about, he'll say, "And now you're my commanding officer?' in a very pissed, sarcastic tone. He lets your lead because he wants to, not because he feels he has to, and he's fine with doing otherwise if it matters enough. There's no way Alistair would ever have let a PC beat up a Revered Mother, and they couldn't  let you try because it would force an irresolvable confrontation.