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[Zulu_DFA]

TheLonePolack wrote...

In theory, Shepard could have survived the fall. A human can only go so fast, especially on a world where the gravity is .8 of earth gravity. Not to mention he has a suit of armor. The world then Normandy went down on is clearly a snowy winter world. Some time ago, a Serbian (IIRC) flight attendant fell some 30,000 feet out of a ruptured jet liner, achieved terminal velocity, and landed in a massive snowbank. She survived, despite being severely injured. If Shepard did something similar, with the planets lower gravity and his suit of armor, he might have survived the descent.

This story about the flight attendant has already been referenced here. However, whether it is accurate or not, or appicable to a fall from space, is irrelevant, because it fails to explain how Shepard survived (escaped information-theoretic death that would inevitably follow the clinical death without immediate treatment or conservation) after he touched down on the planet, how he managed to touch down amid the Normandy's debris, and why the Mako is not only intact, but not even upside down or something.

[Killjoy Cutter]

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.



That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

[Zulu_DFA]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

[mxfox408]

Well when you see the skeliton at the reconstruction intro every bone in his/her body is busted up, i think shepard landed on his own and survived.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

As opposed to being resurrected after an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry and impact?

[Zulu_DFA]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

As opposed to being resurrected after an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry and impact?

As opposed to being "resurrected" after assuming the state of clinical and legal death after surviving for an unspecified period of time in the Mako.

[Aedan_Cousland]

I like your theory.

At least it gives a somewhat plausible explanation as to why Shepard even had visible remains that could be located and recovered. I'm definitely going to borrow it for my own personal canon on how Shepard's corpse survived the descent through the atmosphere.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 26 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

As opposed to being resurrected after an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry and impact?

As opposed to being "resurrected" after assuming the state of clinical and legal death after surviving for an unspecified period of time in the Mako.

Again, my install must have a bug in the opening cutscene, because it doesn't show the Mako at all...

[Zulu_DFA]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

As opposed to being resurrected after an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry and impact?

As opposed to being "resurrected" after assuming the state of clinical and legal death after surviving for an unspecified period of time in the Mako.

Again, my install must have a bug in the opening cutscene, because it doesn't show the Mako at all...

The "Normandy Crash Site" DLC, however, shows the intact Mako and Shepard's helmet pretty damn next to her.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

As opposed to being resurrected after an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry and impact?

As opposed to being "resurrected" after assuming the state of clinical and legal death after surviving for an unspecified period of time in the Mako.

Again, my install must have a bug in the opening cutscene, because it doesn't show the Mako at all...

The "Normandy Crash Site" DLC, however, shows the intact Mako and Shepard's helmet pretty damn next to her.

Yes, I've seen that. 


The same train tracks run by my home and by the place I work 30 miles away -- you wouldn't assume that I hop a freight car to work and back every day, would you?

[Zulu_DFA]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If not for the comic, the easiest solution is that Shep never actually made planetfall, but was picked up dead but still in a slowly degrading orbit.

That would have been a much less troublesome scenario.

That wouldn't have been any less troublesome scenario, as Shepard's brain would have been destroyed in this scenario. No resurrection.

As opposed to being resurrected after an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry and impact?

As opposed to being "resurrected" after assuming the state of clinical and legal death after surviving for an unspecified period of time in the Mako.

Again, my install must have a bug in the opening cutscene, because it doesn't show the Mako at all...

The "Normandy Crash Site" DLC, however, shows the intact Mako and Shepard's helmet pretty damn next to her.

Yes, I've seen that. 


The same train tracks run by my home and by the place I work 30 miles away -- you wouldn't assume that I hop a freight car to work and back every day, would you?

[Looks at the satellite imagery of the area Killjoy Cutter lives and works in. Sees a highway connecting both locations...]

No, I wouldn't.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 août 2010 - 07:15 .

[xlavaina]

Shep was falling towards the planet, and you could visibly him enter the atmosphere, where he was likely incinerated. The only likely explanation that explains how Cerberus was able to rebuild Shep is that Cerberus has some tech that allowed them to find all of Shepard's vaporized molecules and put them back together properly.



This is probably not true though since Jacob said that he was just a pile of flesh when the found him. So he probably got torn to pieces in reentry, which in my opinion is a plot hole because anyone falling into the atmosphere of a planet would be incinerated.

[Zulu_DFA]

xlavaina wrote...

Shep was falling towards the planet, and you could visibly him enter the atmosphere, where he was likely incinerated. The only likely explanation that explains how Cerberus was able to rebuild Shep is that Cerberus has some tech that allowed them to find all of Shepard's vaporized molecules and put them back together properly.

This is probably not true though since Jacob said that he was just a pile of flesh when the found him. So he probably got torn to pieces in reentry, which in my opinion is a plot hole because anyone falling into the atmosphere of a planet would be incinerated.

http://social.biowar...69330/3#3171547

[NvVanity]

Shepard's helmet could of came off during the fall possibly. We saw his oxygen cable ruptured and leaking air the helmet could of took some damage causing it to fall off his face while falling and managed to fall to the same area as the Normandy.



Mako being upright and in good condition well back in ME2 that thing could really take a beating and appeared only to be on fire when damaged. Of course that's a silly explanation though.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Oops, wrong topic.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 30 août 2010 - 09:06 .

[Archontor]

right well here's my theory because shepard apparently put on the armour as the normandy broke up or just started wearing on the Normandy he decided to up use some sort of new orbital re-entry system with shuttle like armor material to handle the heat a small eezo system to reduce his mass and thus re-entry speed and some sort of parachute hooked up to an auto run program so it can work incase the wearer is dead or unconcious (also explaining the helmet at the crach site) this combined with the planet's lower gravity,atmosphere and temperature meant that instead of being load of dust in the atmosphere he was a sack of organs in a space suit thus enabling the collectors to colect his corpse now comes the main problem returning his memories well one theory i can come up with is shepard has a gray box from which cerberus could re-intergrate his memories.



And i know people would say that the orbital armour is a bit of a stretch but it would be the most sensible armour to wear in space and it might be so new classified or expensive that only comanding officers or special ops members are issued it

[Swanea]

I'm going to say...

Shepard went unconscious from the lack of oxygen from the suit rupture.  The leak was obvious. 
Before Shep's brain died to lack of oxygen (Permanent damage that could never be repaired), Shepard fell through the atmosphere, the suit protectecting Shep from burning up totally.  Look at the helmet.  It had scaring on it, but was still intact.
The cold planet could have flash frozen Shep before the brain totally died, keeping it "intact".  And that's where Shep's dead body was found.

Or Shep is now an AI.

[Coyoterunner]

The Cerberus Network News are canon, right?
Then problem solved. There is one human president in one of the news which technically died, but had an advanced VI assisted memory implant. That implant saved his memory and personality and allowed it to be restored to the brain. I suppose Shepard could have the same sort of implant or something similar, which Cerberus would have scavenged and used to restore his memory and personality.

[Lapis Lazuli]

thread necromancy is dark magic. Beware.

[night_raven26]

Occam's razor. He was probably burned alive.

I mean, he isn't Chuck Norris to be able to do all that

[MidnightMare]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

In the MAKO!

Now, the last we see of him in the intro is him descending onto the planet Alchera. His power armor is damaged and the oxygen is leaking. [Screen fades to black]

What happened next:

Shepard understands that he's fuсked, but remains the cool guy he's ever been. He scans the surrounding space and sees the Normandy's wreck travelling at the same velocity a couple of hundred yards away. Using the oxygel leak as a jet, he propells himself towards it. Through one of the multiple hull breaches he gets in the cargo bay where the Mako is kept. He gets in, starts her and detaches from the wreck, but not very far (in order to be more easily discovered by the rescue party). So they fall down on the planet alongside each other, the dead Normandy and Shepard in the Mako. At the right altitude Shepard fires the deceleration thrusters, but the power cells are damaged and the thrusters fail early. Mako touches down quite rough, and the life support goes out. Still the vehicle is mostly intact and Shepard is still alive. But the rescue party does not show up and Shepard slowly freezes to death. When he is already unconscious, the Blue Suns show up.

The rest you know from the Redemption comic.

And, to make it easier to believe:

In ME1 Ashley once said: "Every marine a rifleman. Every rifleman ZG-certified". And Shepard is not an ordinary marine. He is the top grade Spec Ops marine. No doubt he had received an extensive training to use weightlessness to gain every possible tactical advantage in combat. And it's highly probable that during that training exactly such "spacing" situation, as that he found himself in during the ME2 opening sequence, was simulated or even worked through live! So, all he had to do to get back to the Normandy's wreck was to remember his training.

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Or something like that. You read it here first.

The Mako Got Wrecked In The First Game. Remember Illos? How you had to drive through the Conduit, and then it crashed when it got to the Citadel? I bet if BioWare let you walk around the Presidium in ME2, You would see the Mako wreck as a memorial or something.

[MidnightMare]

NvVanity wrote...

Shepard's helmet could of came off during the fall possibly. We saw his oxygen cable ruptured and leaking air the helmet could of took some damage causing it to fall off his face while falling and managed to fall to the same area as the Normandy.<br />
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Mako being upright and in good condition well back in ME2 that thing could really take a beating and appeared only to be on fire when damaged. Of course that's a silly explanation though.

It looked like Shepard was trying to take his/her helmet off anyway.

[naddaya]

MidnightMare wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

Shepard's helmet could of came off during the fall possibly. We saw his oxygen cable ruptured and leaking air the helmet could of took some damage causing it to fall off his face while falling and managed to fall to the same area as the Normandy.<br />
<br />
Mako being upright and in good condition well back in ME2 that thing could really take a beating and appeared only to be on fire when damaged. Of course that's a silly explanation though.

It looked like Shepard was trying to take his/her helmet off anyway.

And then we'd have a brain omelette. Seriously, the heat of the reentry and the crash wouldn't have left much to "repair" if that was the case. It already  seems fishy if the helmet didn't come off.