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[KalosCast]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I think his armor/shields protected him to some extent. That's been my guess. What we've seen and heard suggests it was more than frostbite, but as you say, I guess frostbite could make him look like that to some extent. The part about landing in the mako? a little more far fetched.

How else Shepard could land without turning into a pancake?

They didn't, "nothing more than meat and tubes"

Shepard clearly lost consciousness before the cutscene faded to black, and may or may not have begun atmospheric entry (either that or a film effect).

Fanwank fail.

[Zulu_DFA]

KalosCast wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I think his armor/shields protected him to some extent. That's been my guess. What we've seen and heard suggests it was more than frostbite, but as you say, I guess frostbite could make him look like that to some extent. The part about landing in the mako? a little more far fetched.

How else Shepard could land without turning into a pancake?

They didn't, "nothing more than meat and tubes"

Shepard clearly lost consciousness before the cutscene faded to black, and may or may not have begun atmospheric entry (either that or a film effect).

Fanwank fail.

Your version?

[KalosCast]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Your version?

Unlikely Version: They hit the ground, unlikely unless the planet is low gravity and thin atmosphere. Can't be bothered to look up the planet right now.

More Likely Version: Found in low orbit, possible partial atmospheric entry (maybe grazed and bounced off?)

Modifié par KalosCast, 01 juin 2010 - 08:20 .

[Zulu_DFA]

KalosCast wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Your version?

Unlikely Version: They hit the ground, unlikely unless the planet is low gravity and thin atmosphere. Can't be bothered to look up the planet right now.

More Likely Version: Found in low orbit, possible partial atmospheric entry (maybe grazed and bounced off?)

Look at the previous page of this thread. And Shepard's helmet was on the surface.

And if your brain is deprived of oxygen for more than 10 minutes, you die for good (or become a vegeateble which is pretty much the same), because your brain cells die and synaptic links beween them sever. This process is irreversible.

Hence Shepard was put in stasis minutes after his death.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 08:29 .

[KalosCast]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Your version?

Unlikely Version: They hit the ground, unlikely unless the planet is low gravity and thin atmosphere. Can't be bothered to look up the planet right now.

More Likely Version: Found in low orbit, possible partial atmospheric entry (maybe grazed and bounced off?)

Look at the previous page of this thread. And Shepard's helmet was on the surface.

And if your brain is deprived of oxygen for more then 10 minutes, you die (or become a vegeateble which is pretty much the same), because your brain cells die and sinaptic links beween them sever. This process is irreversible.

Hence Shepard was put in stasis minutes after his death.

Except for the part where this is Sci Fi, and not medical science. Project Lazarous involved hefty reconstruction of the entire body (I'll once again reiterate "not much more than meat and tubes"). The oxygen flow clearly stops before the cutscene fades to black or even begins to zoom out, and the idea of using it as a meaningful propulsion system, and then climbing into the Mako, and then surviving without that same sort of brain damage after the Mako's rather spectacular looking crash is far more ludicrous than being found in low-orbit.

[hangmans tree]

But he was clinically dead. Not in crio or stasis but dead.

That is why its LAZARUS project.

Shep enters atmosphere, free falls to the surface. Crashes to the ground.

If the suit was some cutting edge tech its possible it protected from atmosphere entry.

[Axeface]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

In the MAKO!

Now, the last we see of him in the intro is him descending onto the planet Alchera. His power armor is damaged and the oxygen is leaking. [Screen fades to black]

What happened next:

Shepard understands that he's fuсked, but remains the cool guy he's ever been. He scans the surrounding space and sees the Normandy's wreck travelling at the same velocity a couple of hundred yards away. Using the oxygel leak as a jet, he propells himself towards it. Through one of the multiple hull breaches he gets in the cargo bay where the Mako is kept. He gets in, starts her and detaches from the wreck, but not very far (in order to be more easily discovered by the rescue party). So they fall down on the planet alongside each other, the dead Normandy and Shepard in the Mako. At the right altitude Shepard fires the deceleration thrusters, but the power cells are damaged and the thrusters fail early. Mako touches down quite rough, and the life support goes out. Still the vehicle is mostly intact and Shepard is still alive. But the rescue party does not show up and Shepard slowly freezes to death. When he is already unconscious, the Blue Suns show up.

The rest you know from the Redemption comic.

_____________________________________

Or something like that. You read it here first.

Sorry but Eh?
He didnt survive the crash...

[Axeface]

KalosCast wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I think his armor/shields protected him to some extent. That's been my guess. What we've seen and heard suggests it was more than frostbite, but as you say, I guess frostbite could make him look like that to some extent. The part about landing in the mako? a little more far fetched.

How else Shepard could land without turning into a pancake?

They didn't, "nothing more than meat and tubes"

Shepard clearly lost consciousness before the cutscene faded to black, and may or may not have begun atmospheric entry (either that or a film effect).

Fanwank fail.

See the video during the lazerus project rebuild? Shepard body is mangled and broken. Every bone in his/her body is snapped. Theres such a thing as maximum velocity and I really don't think people go all 'pancake' anyway in large falls.
It only takes about 20-30 seconds to reach terminal velocity depending on the person and other factors. So a fall of 20-30 seconds is the same as a fall of 300,000 feet.

Modifié par Axeface, 01 juin 2010 - 08:47 .

[SpiderFan1217]

I am sorry, but I have too.



coughBULL****cough



Again, I am sorry, but it had to be done.

[Zulu_DFA]

KalosCast wrote...
Except for the part where this is Sci Fi, and not medical science. Project Lazarous involved hefty reconstruction of the entire body (I'll once again reiterate "not much more than meat and tubes"). The oxygen flow clearly stops before the cutscene fades to black or even begins to zoom out, and the idea of using it as a meaningful propulsion system, and then climbing into the Mako, and then surviving without that same sort of brain damage after the Mako's rather spectacular looking crash is far more ludicrous than being found in low-orbit.

First, ME2 is not a SciFi. It's a fantasy in space. It's actually an argument against me, because it refutes my following argument: SciFi is called sciense fiction, because it doesn't contradict known scientific facts. Which is personality is in the brain.

If he was found 10 minutes after the oxygen shortage, he'd be of no use to TIM. No amount of fictious science could rebuild Shepard exactly as he had been.

If you assume that Shepard could have a pistol on him, it would take him just one shot and several seonds to get back to the Normandy's wreck. And I bet that the Mako has oxygen tanks, so Shepard could repressurize it in a minute. Thus he could be alive for many hours after the Collector attack.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 08:53 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If he was found 10 minutes after the oxygen shortage, he'd be of no use to TIM. No amount of fictious science could rebuild Shepard exactly as he had been.

You underestimate fictitious science.

[KalosCast]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
Except for the part where this is Sci Fi, and not medical science. Project Lazarous involved hefty reconstruction of the entire body (I'll once again reiterate "not much more than meat and tubes"). The oxygen flow clearly stops before the cutscene fades to black or even begins to zoom out, and the idea of using it as a meaningful propulsion system, and then climbing into the Mako, and then surviving without that same sort of brain damage after the Mako's rather spectacular looking crash is far more ludicrous than being found in low-orbit.

First, ME2 is not a SciFi. It's a fantasy in space. It's actually an argument against me, because it refutes my following argument: SciFi is called sciense fiction, because it doesn't contradict known scientific facts. Which is personality is in the brain.

If he was found 10 minutes after the oxygen shortage, he'd be of no use to TIM. No amount of fictious science could rebuild Shepard exactly as he had been.

If you assume that Shepard could have a pistol on him, it would take him just one shot and several seonds to get back to the Normandy's wreck. And I bet that the Mako has oxygen tanks, so Shepard could repressurize it in a minute. Thus he could be alive for many hours after the Collector attack.

Okay, regardless of how you want to split hairs we'll just magically ignore all of the Science Fiction that clearly violates known science, all of them with FTL travel for starters in order to save your ego.

There's no way Shep was found within 10 minutes of the oxygen shortage and put into stasis by then, the scale of space travel is simply too large, especially considering that the Alliance (the group you would have sent the distress beacon to) wasn't even the one who found you, and the planet you crashed around didn't have any outposts of any sort (and it could have taken them something approaching hours to get to you on the surface anyway.).

Also, your pathetic understanding of physics is pretty hilarious. It wouldn't have taken "just one shot" to propel Shepard toward the Mako, The backward force of the gunshot wouldn't be all that strong, and considering that Shep was exploded out of the Normandy wreck, as well as the apparent velocity from the cutscene, it's kind of obvious Shep was moving pretty fast.

Even if Shep wasn't moving pretty fast, they clearly lose consciousness (at least stop struggling) and gas flow (and therefore a breathable atmosphere) VERY CLEARLY stops long before the zoom out and een further before the fade to black, which I already mentioned... so you still fail. Sorry bro.

[Spartas Husky]

well, we dont know if he fell into the planet. he could have been in orbit for all we know.



Either way.....he didn't survive....thats why they spent millions of credits bringing back right>

[SpiderFan1217]

Spartas Husky wrote...

well, we dont know if he fell into the planet. he could have been in orbit for all we know.

Either way.....he didn't survive....thats why they spent millions of credits bringing back right>

Billions my friend. Commader Shep is a billion dollar man/woman.

[Zulu_DFA]

hangmans tree wrote...

But he was clinically dead. Not in crio or stasis but dead.

Clinical death means: heart not pumpin'.

Today medics can restart the heart hours after it stopped pumping. But unless they succed in ~10 minutes they stop, because there is no point. The brain damage is irreversible.

In Mass Effect universe, as it was once a SciFi universe, we can admit the possibility of conservating the brain of Commander Shepard for indefinite period of time. Body tissue damage is irrelevant, sinse every tissue can be cloned. In fact, all tissuies in human body renovate over the course of years, except for the brain tissue. And even if you clone the brain tissue, it won't avail to any good, because "the personality" (particularly memory) is in the synaptic links between brain cells.

So either Shepard is indeed a cyborg, with "Shepard VI" in his head, or he is the same Shepard with cybernetic parts, like limbs, "bone weave", etc., which makes it essential that his brain was preserved during the Redemption events.

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If he was found 10 minutes after the oxygen shortage, he'd be of no use to TIM. No amount of fictious science could rebuild Shepard exactly as he had been.

You underestimate fictitious science.

You overestimate magic.

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

But he was clinically dead. Not in crio or stasis but dead.

Clinical death means: heart not pumpin'.

Today medics can restart the heart hours after it stopped pumping. But unless they succed in ~10 minutes they stop, because there is no point. The brain damage is irreversible.

In Mass Effect universe, as it was once a SciFi universe, we can admit the possibility of conservating the brain of Commander Shepard for indefinite period of time. Body tissue damage is irrelevant, sinse every tissue can be cloned. In fact, all tissuies in human body renovate over the course of years, except for the brain tissue. And even if you clone the brain tissue, it won't avail to any good, because "the personality" (particularly memory) is in the synaptic links between brain cells.

So either Shepard is indeed a cyborg, with "Shepard VI" in his head, or he is the same Shepard with cybernetic parts, like limbs, "bone weave", etc., which makes it essential that his brain was preserved during the Redemption events.

Your thinking way too much. It's a video game. Just except the fake science and run with it.

[Lumikki]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Look at the previous page of this thread. And Shepard's helmet was on the surface.

And if your brain is deprived of oxygen for more than 10 minutes, you die for good (or become a vegeateble which is pretty much the same), because your brain cells die and synaptic links beween them sever. This process is irreversible.

Hence Shepard was put in stasis minutes after his death.

Basicly if we look situation.

If body falls from very high, it can reach in 5 minute about speed of 614 mph (988 km/h). Meaning the body would be crushed and have major internal bleeding. If something falls from space, the atmospere will burn it.  Re-entry temperatures can reach as high as 3,000 degrees F (1,650 degrees C). Space temperatur is almost -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit. Meaning body would be deed frozen very fast. What would cause bodies cells to break because water molecule expansion.

Now Shepard "armor" could protect him/her. If it has temperature protection (hot and cold). How ever, there is still two problem, falling damage and oxygen leak. Now prevent falling damage there is only two option. Use something to slow the falling down. Like Mako landing system or parachute. Of course Shepards armor also did have shields, what is basicly build to
reduse impacts. To get more oxygen in planet where is no breatheable atmosphere, there isn't much time. Mako would be the best change, because it looked to be good condission on Normandy crash site and has internal oxygen system. I think mako would be best option to everyting, to get in mako, it would not anymore be hard to survey. How ever, get into mako in space, that's hard thing to do.

Survey from all this, hehe has to be very lucky to get all done right.

Modifié par Lumikki, 01 juin 2010 - 09:49 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If he was found 10 minutes after the oxygen shortage, he'd be of no use to TIM. No amount of fictious science could rebuild Shepard exactly as he had been.

You underestimate fictitious science.

You overestimate magic.

Where did you get magic? And how can you overstimate it? Magic can do anything. (Just ask Marvel comics.)

[Zulu_DFA]

Spartas Husky wrote...

well, we dont know if he fell into the planet. he could have been in orbit for all we know.

His helmet was on the crash site. Not far from the intact Mako, BTW.

Spartas Husky wrote...
Either way.....he didn't survive....

1. Zaeed said Shepard survived. Do you intend to argue with Zaeed?
2. Do you play as Conrad Verner? Can I borrow your copy of ME2?

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 09:26 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

well, we dont know if he fell into the planet. he could have been in orbit for all we know.

His helmet was on the crash site. Not far from the intact Mako, BTW.

Spartas Husky wrote...
Either way.....he didn't survive....

1. Zaeed said Shepard survived. Do you intend to argue with Zaeed?
2. Do you play as Conrad Verner? Can I borrow your copy of ME2?

They brought him back to life man just axcept it. And Zaeed only said Shep survived because he was standing in front of him. Shep died. Deal with it.

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

[lovgreno]

Good idea. That thing can survive any crash, and it did survive the first Normandys crash relatively unharmed.



Other possible explanations are:

Mass effect fields (=space wizards did it).

Plot hole.

Shepard was caught by someone before burning up too bad.

[rastakore]

People justifying fictional events with science facts. Hilarious.
Sheppard was reconstructed because it is a plot device intended by the writers. If the writters wanted you to know how, they had written it, but they didn't...so it is pointless. You can only speculate an if it really happened situation.

In other words, the space wizard did it 

Modifié par rastakore, 01 juin 2010 - 09:34 .