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[SpiderFan1217]

rastakore wrote...

People justifying fictional events with science facts. Hilarious.
Sheppard was reconstructed because it is a plot device intended by the writers. If the writters wanted you to know how, they had written it, but they didn't...so it is pointless. You can only speculate an if it really happened situation.

In other words, the space wizard did it 

  Three cheers for the Space wizards. 

[Zulu_DFA]

KalosCast wrote...

There's no way Shep was found within 10 minutes of the oxygen shortage

MAKO.

KalosCast wrote...
The backward force of the gunshot wouldn't be all that strong,

Force would be the same. Shepard's weight is around zero.

KalosCast wrote...
and considering that Shep was exploded out of the Normandy wreck, as well as the apparent velocity from the cutscene, it's kind of obvious Shep was moving pretty fast.

Well, that's what the devs wanted you to believe. Believe it.

KalosCast wrote...
Even if Shep wasn't moving pretty fast, they clearly lose consciousness (at least stop struggling)

The words in brakets suggest other possible explanation: he regained self-control.

KalosCast wrote...
and gas flow (and therefore a breathable atmosphere) VERY CLEARLY stops long before the zoom out and een further before the fade to black, which I already mentioned.

Because the N7 hardsuit has a "seal rupture" function. Hell, modern tyres have it!

KalosCast wrote...
so you still fail. Sorry bro.

Better luck next time.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 09:40 .

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

Maybe, I has to learn some new spells.

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

Maybe, I has to learn some new spells.

Sooooo... we're in "maybe" area now?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juin 2010 - 09:48 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

Maybe, I has to learn some new spells.

Sooooo... we're in "maybe" area now?

lols. You still don't get it. It's magic dude. It doesn't have to, nor is it likely to be explainable. Magic can do anything.

[deadfables]

Lemonwizard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

 He scans the surrounding space and sees the Normandy's wreck travelling at the same velocity a couple of hundred yards away. Using the oxygel leak as fulcrum, he propells himself towards it.

Fulcrum. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I stopped reading the thread here - no one can top a quote from Inigo Montoya.

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

Maybe, I has to learn some new spells.

Sooooo... we're in "maybe" area now?

lols. You still don't get it. It's magic dude. It doesn't have to, nor is it likely to be explainable. Magic can do anything.

Srsly? has teh devz confirm it yet?

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

Maybe, I has to learn some new spells.

Sooooo... we're in "maybe" area now?

lols. You still don't get it. It's magic dude. It doesn't have to, nor is it likely to be explainable. Magic can do anything.

Srsly? has teh devz confirm it yet?

  Yep. You just don't remember it nor will can you find the official documentation of it because it magicly disappeared. 

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Magic can do anything.

Just as I said, you overestimate magic.

Can magic create an indestructible chrystal orb?

Sure, why not.

Now, that you have created an indestructible crystal orb, can you destroy it  with your magic?

Maybe, I has to learn some new spells.

Sooooo... we're in "maybe" area now?

lols. You still don't get it. It's magic dude. It doesn't have to, nor is it likely to be explainable. Magic can do anything.

Srsly? has teh devz confirm it yet?

  Yep. You just don't remember it nor will can you find the official documentation of it because it magicly disappeared. 

Link or it never happened!

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

*snip*
Link or it never happened!

I already did. You clicked it and read the webpage. You even understood everything I've been trying to tell you and admitted that I was right. But, alas, someone magically wiped you memory.

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

*snip*
Link or it never happened!

I already did. You clicked it and read the webpage. You even understood everything I've been trying to tell you and admitted that I was right. But, alas, someone magically wiped you memory.

You should lie down. Or things will start happen around you.

[SpiderFan1217]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

*snip*
Link or it never happened!

I already did. You clicked it and read the webpage. You even understood everything I've been trying to tell you and admitted that I was right. But, alas, someone magically wiped you memory.

You should lie down. Or things will start happen around you.

  They already have. It's okay though. I gots magic. 

[Zulu_DFA]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

*snip*
Link or it never happened!

I already did. You clicked it and read the webpage. You even understood everything I've been trying to tell you and admitted that I was right. But, alas, someone magically wiped you memory.

You should lie down. Or things will start happen around you.

  They already have. It's okay though. I gots magic. 

Charge, then.

[Spartas Husky]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

well, we dont know if he fell into the planet. he could have been in orbit for all we know.

Either way.....he didn't survive....thats why they spent millions of credits bringing back right>

Billions my friend. Commader Shep is a billion dollar man/woman.

typo my bad...not used to typing the word "billion".

than you for correction .

Billion dollar male/female...... wow that got to be good on a resume.

Commander Sheperd

Qualifications:
Cybernetic Augmentations in most of my skeletal system.
Synthetic Augmentation in large part of my muscle tissue.
higher than Average military Biotic Abilities

Sources:
BLue Suns:
Was hired to kill quite a few of them
Phone Number: Unknown, although not hard to find in the terminus system; nevertheless my name alone will warrant a headshot to whomever is related to me amongst their circle.

Eclipse:
Multiple snapped heads, corraborate by Assassin partner murdering one of their former employers, Nassana Dantius.
Phone Number:
Easily Found amongst the Illium corporate elite, as well as within the Ezzo supplying industry in Omega Station

Blood Pack:
Dicy history with the group, multiple comfirmed kills. Former Omega Pack leader Gram comfirmed dead by my hand. Multiple Vorcha can vouche for my abilities in combat, leadership, and tactical abilities....if still alive.
Phone Number: Easily found at Tuchanka, most recently in the news for my part in oblidirating their parent clan, clan Weyrloc.

Salarians:
Worked with the STG, former captian *name redacted due to security concerns, can provide more detail in person* was with me in the victory over former rogue spectre Saren in Virmire's Krogan Cloning Facility.
PS: Victory Assured through nuclear fire, able to handle fussion based bombs with care.

For any more info, please contact last eployer. Human Centrist Group "cerberus" leader known only as AKA Illusive Man.

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If you have read this far and still alive, it means my Drell partner has double checked your credentials and deems you capable of hiring me, thus your life is spared.



PS: Large amount of Information regarding my involvement in the battle for the citadel have been left out on purpose due to inability of council to vouche for my abilities. GRounds on "ah yes, Sheppherd, we dont know him" is often used as a means for them to be uninvolved in my operations. If Any information regarding the battle for the citadel is needed, feel free to contact your friendly neighborhood Geth, codename Legion. You may have seen a "mech" follow you since the arrival of this resume. That mech is one of my references that can be contacted for more information.

HOpe to hear from you soon.

Sincerely.
 Commander Sheppherd

Adendum: Suggest you do not make any sudden moves to call local authorities after reading this, such actions could result in your head being split open by a high explosive kinetic round from the "Drell" mentioned above. As you may already know Drell that leave Kahje only do 2 things, either community organizers or Assassins, it would be insulting of me to point out which type works alongside me.

[tmk]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
The backward force of the gunshot wouldn't be all that strong,

Force would be the same. Shepard's weight is around zero.

Shepard's mass isn't though. a=F/m

KalosCast wrote...
and considering that Shep was exploded out of the Normandy wreck, as well as the apparent velocity from the cutscene, it's kind of obvious Shep was moving pretty fast.

Well, that's what the devs wanted you to believe. Believe it.

Are you saying the devs want to keep us from knowing how Shepard survived? *puts on a tinfoil hat *

KalosCast wrote...
and gas flow (and therefore a breathable atmosphere) VERY CLEARLY stops long before the zoom out and een further before the fade to black, which I already mentioned.

Because the N7 hardsuit has a "seal rupture" function. Hell, modern tyres have it!

It wasn't a "seal rupture". It was oxygen "tubes" being cut (the ones connecting your helmet to the suit in ME1). That has nothing to do with how tires seal themselves.

[ObserverStatus]

No way this is how he survived: Shepard is a witch!

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I think his armor/shields protected him to some extent. That's been my guess. What we've seen and heard suggests it was more than frostbite, but as you say, I guess frostbite could make him look like that to some extent. The part about landing in the mako? a little more far fetched.

How else Shepard could land without turning into a pancake?

because rage is one hell of an anesthetic

[KalosCast]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

There's no way Shep was found within 10 minutes of the oxygen shortage

MAKO.

KalosCast wrote...
The backward force of the gunshot wouldn't be all that strong,

Force would be the same. Shepard's weight is around zero.

KalosCast wrote...
and considering that Shep was exploded out of the Normandy wreck, as well as the apparent velocity from the cutscene, it's kind of obvious Shep was moving pretty fast.

Well, that's what the devs wanted you to believe. Believe it.

KalosCast wrote...
Even if Shep wasn't moving pretty fast, they clearly lose consciousness (at least stop struggling)

The words in brakets suggest other possible explanation: he regained self-control.

KalosCast wrote...
and gas flow (and therefore a breathable atmosphere) VERY CLEARLY stops long before the zoom out and een further before the fade to black, which I already mentioned.

Because the N7 hardsuit has a "seal rupture" function. Hell, modern tyres have it!

KalosCast wrote...
so you still fail. Sorry bro.

Better luck next time.

Sorry, bro. Just because you refuse to understand physics doesn't mean they're not there.

[Xivai]

There are mild hints Shepard isn't a normal human. I suspect that will be in ME3 though. I also suspect that would shoot holes in a lot of the theories here. I mean he must have been baseline genetic human to start with, but somewhere along the line he got changed. Although the change may not have been genetic, or a science unknown to us for all we know.



My point is the Collectors specifically targeted him and they were master geneticists. They also had Reaper technology which defies current known standards of science.



Hell the developers only need to add something in like all armor is built in with neg gravity boosters in case of expulsion from a ship. Think of it as a space age parachute, but they activate regardless of him being conscious or not.

[DiatribeEQ]

Shepard was dead. Plain and simple. Here's what happened:

Shepard has oxygen leak; suffocates & dies in space.

Shepard enters free-fall into the planet below. While his suit protects him from re-entry, the crushing damage from hitting the planet from an orbital descent, turns his insides (guts, bones, everything) into a near mush-like state.

The frozen status of the planet surface was enough to preserve the corpse of Shepard until he's found.

The remains are exactly what Miranda said "Meat & Tubes". Did he still have bones, organs, arteries, ect? Sure, to varying degrees, but ultimately, Shepard was a frozen mush-popcicle on the planet below.

/thread

Modifié par DiatribeEQ, 08 juin 2010 - 01:05 .

[Zulu_DFA]

DiatribeEQ wrote...

Shepard was dead. Plain and simple. Here's what happened:

Shepard has oxygen leak; suffocates & dies in space.

Shepard enters free-fall into the planet below. While his suit protects him from re-entry, the crushing damage from hitting the planet from an orbital descent, turns his insides (guts, bones, everything) into a near mush-like state.

The frozen status of the planet surface was enough to preserve the corpse of Shepard until he's found.

The remains are exactly what Miranda said "Meat & Tubes". Did he still have bones, organs, arteries, ect? Sure, to varying degrees, but ultimately, Shepard was a frozen mush-popcicle on the planet below.

/thread

This is what everyone is supposed to believe. But if that was the case, Shepard could not have been salvaged "exaclty as you were". Hence explanation how Shepard died, but not quite entirely.

tmk wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
The backward force of the gunshot wouldn't be all that strong,

Force would be the same. Shepard's weight is around zero.

Shepard's mass isn't though. a=F/m

And that's why Shepard wouldn't travel back to the Normandy at the same velocity as the bullet. Still, fast enough.

tmk wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
and considering that Shep was exploded out of the Normandy wreck, as well as the apparent velocity from the cutscene, it's kind of obvious Shep was moving pretty fast.

Well, that's what the devs wanted you to believe. Believe it.

Are you saying the devs want to keep us from knowing how Shepard survived? *puts on a tinfoil hat *

Nice tinfoil hat you got! What I am saying is that the devs succeeded in keeping us from knowing how Shepard survived. In fact, thay simply did not tell us that.

tmk wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
and gas flow (and therefore a breathable atmosphere) VERY CLEARLY stops long before the zoom out and een further before the fade to black, which I already mentioned.

Because the N7 hardsuit has a "seal rupture" function. Hell, modern tyres have it!

It wasn't a "seal rupture". It was oxygen "tubes" being cut (the ones connecting your helmet to the suit in ME1). That has nothing to do with how tires seal themselves.

Oxygen tubes? Well, excuse me, I didn't see any on my Shepard in ME2 at all, even in such places as the Heretic station and the chlorine "swamp" of the planet Zada Ban. So it's safe to assume the ME hardsuits have some different oxygen feeding mechanism. And anyway this cinematic cutscenes' worth is very low in terms of plausibility. Starting with assault rifles for all classes of Shepards and space battles sequences that make no sense at all. So using a cutscene is an absolute proof of a story point is questionable.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 juin 2010 - 02:43 .

[aDuck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

*snip*

This is what everyone is supposed to believe. But if that was the case, Shepard could not have been salvaged "exaclty as you were". Hence explanation how Shepard died, but not quite entirely.

*snippity snip*

And that's why Shepard wouldn't travel back to the Normandy at the same velocity as the bullet. Still, fast enough.

*TAKE THESE SCISSORS AWAY FROM ME!*

Oxygen tubes? Well, excuse me, I didn't see any on my Shepard in ME2 at all, even in such places as the Heretic station and the chlorine "swamp" of the planet Zada Ban. So it's safe to assume the ME hardsuits have some different oxygen feeding mechanism. And anyway this cinematic cutscenes' worth is very low in terms of plausibility. Starting with assault rifles for all classes of Shepards and space battles sequences that make no sense at all. So using a cutscene is an absolute proof of a story point is questionable.

Noooo... ive joined the discussion...


Look at the tubes coming out of the back of ashlea's helmate.  Oxygen tubes.  NEXT
Also, if you are going to tell us that the cutscenes aren't worth much, then probably shouldnt use it in your arguments; like the one about him being means he regains composure.

Now the bullet shot...
True if he had enough time, he couldve "shot" himself towards the Normandy, but the problem is that:
a) An explosion sent him flying away from the Normandy, and knocked him out.  This means by the time he regains conciousness, weither its a minute or even 10 seconds, he is still travelling away from the ship and towards the planet, accelerating.
He has no guns on him.  Pretty detrimental factor to this argument...  And if he had one that i missed, it wouldve been ripped off when he slams into the bulkhead.

Discuss

Modifié par aDuck, 25 juin 2010 - 03:29 .

[harry dread]

Am i the only one who noticed the unused escape shuttle sitting on the surface near where sheps helmet was found? if the mako makes sense surely that shuttle does as well?

Anyway, who's to say the extreme cold of space didn't flash freeze him and put him into a sort of stasis. there are bacteria that can survive being frozen then thawed out later.
If you look at the movie where they rebuild shep doesn't it look like shep is a popsicle?

and doesn't miranda mention in a log something about long term exposure to vaccum?

Modifié par harry dread, 25 juin 2010 - 03:56 .

[MaaZeus]

harry dread wrote...


Am i the only one who noticed the unused escape shuttle sitting on the surface near where sheps helmet was found? if the mako makes sense surely that shuttle does as well?

Anyway, who's to say the extreme cold of space didn't flash freeze him and put him into a sort of stasis. there are bacteria that can survive being frozen then thawed out later.
If you look at the movie where they rebuild shep doesn't it look like shep is a popsicle?

and doesn't miranda mention in a log something about long term exposure to vaccum?

Yes. But she also mentions that it was severely damaged from atmospheric entry. And if you watch the videos, his body was quite messed up. Bones shattered to pieces. So he had hitted something and hard. The suit is designed to last extreme heat and cold. Leaks obviously reduce that ability but it probaply still protected Shepard enough that the body didn't vaporise on entry, just got burned and frozen. But impact was not protected. He was also so broken that a lot of cybernetics had to be used in rebuilding him. Shepard is a cyborg now.

So no, I do not buy the Mako nor escape shuttle theory. Shepard did land on the planet and got squashed quite badly, thats why the helmet was found OUTSIDE of both shuttle and mako too. Otherwise it would have been inside them.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 25 juin 2010 - 04:08 .