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[Suron]

I love when tards try to come up with BS as to why something happens in a fantasy/fiction (sci or otherwise) made-up world/universe.



shepard got spaced. he suffocated. hit ground burnt up. was found. and resurrected like comic book hero. end of discussion.

[RenownedRyan]

Err...that would work...except that Shepard didn't survive the crash...it's called the Lazarus Project for a reason.

[smudboy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Zulu's back!

Tthe idea of Shepard being dead, and merely being some kind of Cerberus lab experiment, would help ME2 make some degree of sense.

All that would be left would be making Harbinger totally crazy, and his Human Reaper experiment be one uninvolved side story.  This could repair a lot of the damage the overarching plot suffered.

[Zulu_DFA]

aDuck wrote...
snip.

In your ME1 screenshot "the tubes" are attached even though the helmets are not sealed. In ME2 there are NO TUBE AT ALL. Even on Shepard with his "breather helmet" sealed. Not to mention the idiotic breather masks of Miranda & such.

This "severed tubes in the cutscene argument" is worth like 2 cents to me. Besides, I'm willing to give up this Mako theory of mine in favor of any better one. So stop clinging to this cutscene and propose your own theory.

[Zulu_DFA]

RenownedRyan wrote...

Err...that would work...except that Shepard didn't survive the crash...it's called the Lazarus Project for a reason.

Well, to certain people out there (and TIM is definitely one of them), Jesus Christ was a man, and not a god. So they can call a project "Lazarus" referring to the possible fact the actual Lazarus also was not quite entirely dead by the time Jesus Christ performed  the "miracle" on him.

Also, click here: http://en.wikipedia....arus_Phenomenon

Suron wrote...
I love when tards try to come up with BS as to why something happens in a fantasy/fiction (sci or otherwise) made-up world/universe.

shepard got spaced. he suffocated. hit ground burnt up. was found. and resurrected like comic book hero. end of discussion.

My pleasure. Move along now, pilgrim.

smudboy wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Zulu's back!

[Waves hand.]

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 juin 2010 - 04:53 .

[Cypher0020]

Ok... gonna post my own on this... in the facility Jacob definitely says meat and tubes and dead as dead can be....



Maybe when he/she hin the surface... there was nothing but individual burnt/frostbitten pieces left? So Cerberus would have to piece him/her back together like a jigsaw puzzle fused with cybernetics.....that also includes things like regrowing hair, we know the eyes are cybernetic....stuff like that



I just see the Blue Suns running around collecting his/her body parts.....

[Chuvvy]

The fact is his body wouldn't be there anymore. The only way I could see a body making it is if there was little gravity and almost no atmosphere.



But it's allot easier just say it's space magic.

[MaaZeus]

Slidell505 wrote...

The fact is his body wouldn't be there anymore. The only way I could see a body making it is if there was little gravity and almost no atmosphere.

But it's allot easier just say it's space magic.

Or writers hyperactive imagination that throws sanity aside for the sake of supposed coolness.  The whole death&resurrection theme is not exactly most liked features of ME2, atleast to me its very dumb...

Modifié par MaaZeus, 25 juin 2010 - 06:58 .

[bas273]

Jacob also says that you were in a comatose.

[Lord_Tirian]

Slidell505 wrote...

But it's allot easier just say it's space magic.

Or: mass effect fields. Because, y'know, it says so right on the box of the game! (if that's how the Mako survives its landings, it's good enough for Shep)

[aDuck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

aDuck wrote...
snip.

In your ME1 screenshot "the tubes" are attached even though the helmets are not sealed. In ME2 there are NO TUBE AT ALL. Even on Shepard with his "breather helmet" sealed. Not to mention the idiotic breather masks of Miranda & such.

This "severed tubes in the cutscene argument" is worth like 2 cents to me. Besides, I'm willing to give up this Mako theory of mine in favor of any better one. So stop clinging to this cutscene and propose your own theory.

Technology can go a long way in 2 years.  Maybe they found some way to recycle the air or do whatever they do without the tubes.

To me the severed tubes means no oxygen, and no oxygen isn't very good for you.  Believe me, ive tried to go 10 minutes without breathing, and there was no side effects whasoverujdasflkmnsadkngfen ands.
This means sheperd would have very little options when he started falling.

Now what about the other arguments i made?  No gun to "shoot" himself to a ship, for example?  Thats gotta be worth at least $10 to you

[Highdragonslayer]

Zerg swarm. That is all.

[Inthatplace]

[quote]tmk wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]KalosCast wrote...
The backward force of the gunshot wouldn't be all that strong,
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Force would be the same. Shepard's weight is around zero.[/quote]
Shepard's mass isn't though. a=F/m
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And that's why Shepard wouldn't travel back to the Normandy at the same velocity as the bullet. Still, fast enough.
[quote]

Err, no. Shepard and the Normandy are both moving. If you can hit a moving object in space, an object that is designed to blend in with space, with your propulsion being a pistol and you're flying away from your objective, I would be amazed if you ended up within a mile of your goal.

[snfonseka]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

In the MAKO!

Now, the last we see of him in the intro is him descending onto the planet Alchera. His power armor is damaged and the oxygen is leaking. [Screen fades to black]

What happened next:

Shepard understands that he's fuсked, but remains the cool guy he's ever been. He scans the surrounding space and sees the Normandy's wreck travelling at the same velocity a couple of hundred yards away. Using the oxygel leak as a jet, he propells himself towards it. Through one of the multiple hull breaches he gets in the cargo bay where the Mako is kept. He gets in, starts her and detaches from the wreck, but not very far (in order to be more easily discovered by the rescue party). So they fall down on the planet alongside each other, the dead Normandy and Shepard in the Mako. At the right altitude Shepard fires the deceleration thrusters, but the power cells are damaged and the thrusters fail early. Mako touches down quite rough, and the life support goes out. Still the vehicle is mostly intact and Shepard is still alive. But the rescue party does not show up and Shepard slowly freezes to death. When he is already unconscious, the Blue Suns show up.

The rest you know from the Redemption comic.

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Or something like that. You read it here first.

I don't think there is any other theory which is better than this. So, nice work dude !
But, still I hate BW for having this part in ME2 (it is over the limi.

[snfonseka]

Just want 2 add this 2...



If Shepard's helmet can survive the crash; his armor definitely can. So the body (that was inside the armor) should survive the crash without major damage.

[faction699]

yeah except shepard wasn't at the normandy crash site as you clearly learn from dialog with legion

[Zulu_DFA]

faction699 wrote...

yeah except shepard wasn't at the normandy crash site as you clearly learn from dialog with legion

Except the helmet was at the crash site.

aDuck wrote...
No gun to "shoot" himself to a ship, for example?  Thats gotta be worth at least $10 to you

No. It's worth ~$7. And it's called Kasumi DLC. There is no pistol visible on Shepard at the Hock's party, yet, it's there!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 juin 2010 - 07:13 .

[Izhalezan]

He was only mostly dead... try finding that option on government paperwork.

[aDuck]

*snip*

aDuck wrote...
No gun to "shoot" himself to a ship, for example?  Thats gotta be worth at least $10 to you

No. It's worth ~$7. And it's called Kasumi DLC. There is no pistol visible on Shepard at the Hock's party, yet, it's there!

But after they had the armour, you could see your weapons in plain sight.  Hes wearing his armour, and not trying to conceal his weapon aboard the normandy, unless he's hiding it in his suit, which would mean he would have to take the suit off and get his pistol, without oxygen... gets abit farfeched.

Point is he trys to conceal his weapons on Kasumi DLC, but not aboard the Normandy

[Auchtane]

Well obviously, he uses his endless supply of ammo from his spectre weapons to propel himself for a smoother landing.



And if he has the use of biotics lift would be helpful.



And it so happens that the planet he lands on is made of marshmallows and puppies.

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is no pistol visible on Shepard at the Hock's party, yet, it's there!

Well, there's two potential hiding places for Femshep, and one for Maleshep....

[Auchtane]

didymos1120 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is no pistol visible on Shepard at the Hock's party, yet, it's there!

Well, there's two potential hiding places for Femshep, and one for Maleshep....

Wow, Shepard must really have a big colon to fit that mother in there.

[Zulu_DFA]

aDuck wrote...
Point is he trys to conceal his weapons on Kasumi DLC, but not aboard the Normandy

Point is the cutscene is not a relevant proof of anything, especially about pistols. For example, why is everybody wielding ARs in the "suicide mission" cutscenes? And, in case you haven't noticed, pistols and SMGs occupy the same "slot" on the characters, so you can see heavy pistol on them only if they don't have an SMG.

Hence, conclusion: Shepard could have had a pistol on him even though you don't see it in the cutscene. It's way more plausible then rebuilding you "exactly as you were", once your brain has been disintegrated.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 juin 2010 - 08:26 .

[aDuck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

aDuck wrote...
Point is he trys to conceal his weapons on Kasumi DLC, but not aboard the Normandy

Point is the cutscene is not a relevant proof of anything, especially about pistols. For example, why is everybody wielding ARs in the "suicide mission" cutscenes? And, if you haven't noticed, pistols and SMGs occupy the same slot on thecharacters, so you can see heavy pistol on them only if they dont have an SMG.

Hence, conclusion: Shepard could have had a pistol on him even though you don't see it in the cutscene. It's way more plausible then rebuilding you "exactly as you were", once your brain has been disintegrated.

You really wont back down, will you? *sigh* Its like fighting a troll, but the troll doesn't know he's trolling.

You say you can only see their pistol if they dont have an SMG.  Do you see an SMG?  Didnt think so.
And this isnt just in the cutscene.  This includes the part where you run around the burning ship getting to Joker.  I dont see a pistol or SMG or anything there.  Plausability doesn't make an argument.  We thought it made more sence that the sun revolved around us years and years ago, but look how that turned out...

[khevan]

One thing to point out...



In the opening sequence of ME2, if you look closely, you'll notice tubes running from Shepard's back up to the back of his/her helmet. So the comment that you don't see tubes in ME2 is moot. They're there. Don't believe me? Start up a new game and see for yourself.



As far as shooting yourself back to the Normandy...



Physics doesn't work that way. The explosion that knocked you away from the Normandy did so at a fairly high rate of speed, at least from what the cutscene showed. It'd take a force equal to the force of that explosion to simply STOP Shepard's motion relative to the Normandy, and even more force to get him moving back towards the ship. I very much doubt Shepard's entire loadout of ammo would yield that much force, so that theory is shot full of holes. (See what I did there?)



Finally, you can't point towards something in a cutscene as proof of a theory, or at least supporting evidence, and then dismiss similar evidence from a cutscene "because you can't trust cutscenes."



Shepard does not have a pistol when he's thrown from the Normandy. There's no place for him to stow it, except outside his suit, and we get a good view of most of his body during that cutscene. Therefore, he had no pistol.



The basic fact of the matter is that the writers said that Shepard hit the planet, and died, not necessarily in that order. They didn't go into details as to how they recovered Shepard's memories and personalities, but who knows what medical technology could exist a coupla centuries from now, especially aided by advanced tech discovered from an advanced alien species!



Shepard died exactly how the game describes, and was brought back exactly how the game describes. Does it make sense from a modern medical viewpoint? Hell no, but the MEverse isn't exactly set in modern day "real life."