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[KainrycKarr]

thegreateski wrote...

Sadly we have no info on the composition of the MAKO's armor . . .

It gets dropped fairly high up in the atmosphere, so I would think it's there simply for what-if scenarios(this being one of them).

As for it not standing up to lava...well the space shuttle wouldn't either, tbh.

[ADLegend21]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Again. The space shuttle has lightweight panneling that protects against the heat from atmospheric entry. It's not farfetched to think this far into the future that kind of material isn't commonplace in dropships, armor, etc.

So if he did get into the mako, i find the whole thing perfectly believable.

exactly, and armor have Kinectic barriers to protect the wearer.

[Pinkflamingo22]

Rybciek wrote...

He died or was incapacitated due to lack of oxygen in the cutscene, then you see his body entering the atmosphere and burning up (which should have vaporized him to the point of no visible matter surviving, but I guess he has magic armour).

not true it could have been a very weak atmosphere and the planet i believe had low gravity. so he probably wasn't barreling towards as hot and fast as he would on earth.

[thegreateski]

KainrycKarr wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Sadly we have no info on the composition of the MAKO's armor . . .

It gets dropped fairly high up in the atmosphere, so I would think it's there simply for what-if scenarios(this being one of them).

As for it not standing up to lava...well the space shuttle wouldn't either, tbh.

Ah . . . but they drop the MAKO inside the atmosphere. No need for reentry then.

[thegreateski]

ADLegend21 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Again. The space shuttle has lightweight panneling that protects against the heat from atmospheric entry. It's not farfetched to think this far into the future that kind of material isn't commonplace in dropships, armor, etc.

So if he did get into the mako, i find the whole thing perfectly believable.

exactly, and armor have Kinectic barriers to protect the wearer.

Kinetic barriers do not protect against enviromental hazards.

[KainrycKarr]

thegreateski wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Sadly we have no info on the composition of the MAKO's armor . . .

It gets dropped fairly high up in the atmosphere, so I would think it's there simply for what-if scenarios(this being one of them).

As for it not standing up to lava...well the space shuttle wouldn't either, tbh.

Ah . . . but they drop the MAKO inside the atmosphere. No need for reentry then.

Ah...but I said it's likely there simply for what-if scenarios. Most marines likely don't do any combat in space, yet their suits are vacuum sealed.

I don't think it's ever stated anywhere whether the mako is capable of atmospheric entry or not. I am assuming it is.

What if the vehicle is carrying the MAKO into hostile territory, and is shot down before it drops it's payload(before breaking atmos)? In this case, the material I speak of allows the MAKO to continue it's mission without having to be within the atmosphere.

Just because they never showed it, doesn't mean it couldn't have been done. Dropping something through an atmosphere isn't the sort of thing you'd really wanna do unless you have no choice.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 19 juillet 2010 - 06:07 .

[KainrycKarr]

thegreateski wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Again. The space shuttle has lightweight panneling that protects against the heat from atmospheric entry. It's not farfetched to think this far into the future that kind of material isn't commonplace in dropships, armor, etc.

So if he did get into the mako, i find the whole thing perfectly believable.

exactly, and armor have Kinectic barriers to protect the wearer.

Kinetic barriers do not protect against enviromental hazards.

Yes. The kinetic barrier, from what I read in the novels, only stops high-velocity projectiles. And while I'm sure one would fall pretty fast through an atmosphere, I don't think it's anywhere near as fast as ammunition from the kind of high-velocity weapons kinetic barrier's were made with in mind.

[KainrycKarr]

thegreateski wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Again. The space shuttle has lightweight panneling that protects against the heat from atmospheric entry. It's not farfetched to think this far into the future that kind of material isn't commonplace in dropships, armor, etc.

So if he did get into the mako, i find the whole thing perfectly believable.

exactly, and armor have Kinectic barriers to protect the wearer.

Kinetic barriers do not protect against enviromental hazards.

Yes. The kinetic barrier, from what I read in the novels, only stops high-velocity projectiles. And while I'm sure one would fall pretty fast through an atmosphere, I don't think it's anywhere near as fast as ammunition from the kind of high-velocity weapons kinetic barrier's were made with in mind.

[Terraneaux]

Lucretion wrote...

Very intriguing theories and ultimately a believable possibility, albeit I must concede my suspension of disbelief is beyond limitions at this juncture. Frankly I believe Bioware merely dropped the ball and decided Shepard dying was "a cook plot device" without concern as to the logical principles of modern or even advanced science. As good a game as Mass Effect 2 is, it smells horribly of lazy develop by Bioware.

Part of the problem is that it doesn't really serve any narrative purpose, the two years could have been advanced 'off-screen' without killing Shep.  

The explanation I'm running with is that Shep hit the atmosphere and then bounced off, back into space.  This actually happens (it's why when entering an atmosphere your descent angle has to be precise, if it's too shallow you'll bounce off), but I'm willing to bet that Mac Walters had no actual idea about this.

[Zulu_DFA]

thegreateski wrote...

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I have an answer to the loss of brain functions as well.

The VIs in the game are usually based off of some historic figure's personality. They use brain imprints to give them said personality (Vigil on Ilos). The odds of Shepard having a personality imprint from before his death are very high.

He is a galactic hero after all.

Yes, it would make a hell of a plot twist in ME3. To find out that "our" Shepards are actually bio robots of sorts...

Only that would also create another two major PLOT HOLES:

1) Why all the fuss with the body? If TIM found it accepable to have an artificial Shepard, he had no interest in retrieving the remains of the original. Even if that was just a bonus to his more important agenda of getting that Shadow Broker's flash card Feron passed to Liara to deliver to Cerberus, there was no point in keeping it. It would be easier, cheaper and faster to just outright clone everything.

2) It makes some sense that TIM wouldn't want to "alter Shepard's personality" by making him a puppet via the control/kill chip. But if the ME2 Shepard was just a replica, the persobnality would not be the same anyway, so it wouldn't harm any more if it was made a little more docile, so that any attempt to revolt against TIM's will, like the one when Shepard can choose to destroy the Collector Base would be impossible. (Funny thing: *my* Shepard, who is a Cerberus "loyalist" way more than Miranda ever was, can actually be such a replica, and wouldn't even fret over being an "artificial person", but from the metagame knowledge I know it does not fit most *other* Shepards' personae.)

So no, I am not buying it. I still think Shepard is really Shepard, his brain is the same, and survived the SR-1 destruction in one piece. Which means that Shepard was alive for many hours after he touched down on Alchera, even days, that took the Blue Suns to get to him. Not long before they did, Shepard assumed the state of clinical death, and the hypothermia resulting from the environmental conditions helped preserve the brain function until the body was put in the stasis pod that preserved the brain function until the Lazarus Station.

[RiouHotaru]

smudboy wrote...

1. If it is, it wasn't mentioned or shown
2. If medical science has advanced to the point where the issue of brain-death is no longer an issue, you'd have clinical immortality.
3. It does honestly matter because we have no idea a) how Shepard died, how Shepard got rebuilt/resurrected
4. It is possible, though highly unlikely given the time and circumstances of Shepard's rebirth (Wilson's behavior comes to mind.)
5. Handwaving is sometimes acceptable, but not in the first 10 minutes, dealing with the theme of resurrection, turning out hero into a Cyber Savior, for the Good of the Plot.  This is not a minor plot point.  This is one of the biggest plot holes of the story.  It's as if the writers had no clue what to do for a sequel, restarted everything, then didn't bother to explain anything.  All aboard the CerberBus.

I'll address your points in a moment, but I have to say something first, and then I'll get to you.  After some consideration, I realize that even Zulu's Mako theory has two serious holes in it:

1) Shepard is clearly shown losing conciousness during the freefall, since the the air is escaping at a fairly steady and alarming rate, shortly before re-entry.  There's no way Shepard had the awareness to get to the Mako in the first place.
2) Shepard's helmet.  This may seem inconsequential, but even assuming the Blue Suns discarded the helmet, why dump it so far away from the Mako?  It makes no sense for them to find the body and then toss the helmet several tens of yards away from the crash-site like that.  It obviously did not come off, mid-fall, or Shepard wouldn't likely even have a head or a brain left to reconstruct.

Alright smud, onto your points:

smudboy wrote...

1. If it is, it wasn't mentioned or shown
2. If medical science has advanced to the point where the issue of brain-death is no longer an issue, you'd have clinical immortality.

Actually, it's not clinical immortality.  Given how much money it took them to remake Shepard in the first place (in excess of 4 billion credits and that was OVERBUDGET).  Also, given that they had access to virtually any amount of resources or manpower, the idea that they could reverse or otherwise counter brain-death isn't entirely farfetched.

Remember, Miranda's father, a regular contributor to Cerberus, built two daughters essentially from scratch, even going so far as to genetically modify them to have biotics.  In a world where science makes it possible to create whole people from mere DNA simply by tossing enough money and resources at it, I'm willing to believe that the issue of brain-death could be overcome by Cerberus.  Even so, the game has several points where Shepard can act as though he/she has no memory of an event or person, which shows perhaps that the reversability of brain-death isn't perfect, explaining the gaps in memory.

smudboy wrote...

3. It does honestly matter because we have no idea a) how Shepard died, how Shepard got rebuilt/resurrected
4. It is possible, though highly unlikely given the time and circumstances of Shepard's rebirth (Wilson's behavior comes to mind.)

We have a fairly good idea of how Shepard was killed: a combination of lack of oxygen, and freefall from the wreckage down through a planet's atmosphere, resulting in a rather messy impact.  Remember, the comics state the body is SUCH a mess they can't even tell if it's a man or a woman just by looking at it.  As to the specifics of ressurection/rebuild, we know that cybernetic implants, and synthetically created tissue were used (the logs mention switching from celluar regeneration, to biosynthetic fusion).  As to the specific science used to counter the brain-death issue, I'm willing to forego a proper explaination given that such an explaination would involve a crap-ton of medical jargon that the average player would not understand.  Therefore, the reasoning that they simply "remade you as you were" suits me just fine.

smudboy wrote...
5. Handwaving is sometimes acceptable, but not in the first 10 minutes, dealing with the theme of resurrection, turning out hero into a Cyber Savior, for the Good of the Plot.  This is not a minor plot point.  This is one of the biggest plot holes of the story.  It's as if the writers had no clue what to do for a sequel, restarted everything, then didn't bother to explain anything.  All aboard the CerberBus.

To be fair, Shepard is essentially a literary Mary Sue/Gary Stu right from the get-go.  I mean, in ME1 you apparently have the right combination of military service and background to bet the right and best candidate to be the first successful human Spectre (Anderson failed, so he doesn't count).  I don't see the death/rebirth of Shepard as a plot-hole.  The Collectors tore you a new one, and TIM needs the power of the icon (He says it's not about what you did, but what you ARE) to help advance his cause.  You're right it is a rather convenient way to put you in-debt to Cerberus and a real teeth-grinder at that (considering in ME1 we were basically made to hate them with every fiber of our being) but, for me, it is an acceptable change of pace.

[smudboy]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Actually, it's not clinical immortality.  Given how much money it took them to remake Shepard in the first place (in excess of 4 billion credits and that was OVERBUDGET).  Also, given that they had access to virtually any amount of resources or manpower, the idea that they could reverse or otherwise counter brain-death isn't entirely farfetched.

I'm not saying it's impossible for future tech to solve brain death. I'm saying we're not told how.  Especially considering 1) we're not told or shown how, 2) we're not told or shown the state of Shepard brain, and body, when all evidence supposed it exploded on impact to the point of being only "meat and tubes."

If we are to believe cryrogenics is possible (which it is, a la Jack), then we must conclude there is a science to it.  Just throwing people into the vacuum of space + depressurization does not involve a scientific procedure.  Seeing a person hurtling at a planet at supposedly 1000s/m hour doesn't help.

Everything you said about test tube clone babies is moot here, unless you believe Shepard is a clone.

We have a fairly good idea of how Shepard was killed: a combination of lack of oxygen, and freefall from the wreckage down through a planet's atmosphere, resulting in a rather messy impact.  Remember, the comics state the body is SUCH a mess they can't even tell if it's a man or a woman just by looking at it.  As to the specifics of ressurection/rebuild, we know that cybernetic implants, and synthetically created tissue were used (the logs mention switching from celluar regeneration, to biosynthetic fusion).  As to the specific science used to counter the brain-death issue, I'm willing to forego a proper explaination given that such an explaination would involve a crap-ton of medical jargon that the average player would not understand.  Therefore, the reasoning that they simply "remade you as you were" suits me just fine.

Forget the comics: we do not need supplementary stories to add to the narrative after the fact.  In fact, that would be a failure in writing, if one needs a Codex entry, or a reference material to experience media.  Also see ME3: An Apology.

That cybernetic stuff that the audio logs talk of?  That's good.  It's just not good enough.  I do not buy it.  Many people with brains and who read books, do not buy it.  IFF Shepard was brought back with: 1) alien (Reaper?) tech, 2) Eezo, then I'd buy it.  But we have no idea, and we even get a shoddy audio log from Miranda who doesn't understnd the difference between sub zero and absolute zero temperatures in space.

All you've said to me is "I believe it, you don't."  Well good for you.  Note: don't study medicine, you might not like it.

To be fair, Shepard is essentially a literary Mary Sue/Gary Stu right from the get-go.  I mean, in ME1 you apparently have the right combination of military service and background to bet the right and best candidate to be the first successful human Spectre (Anderson failed, so he doesn't count).  I don't see the death/rebirth of Shepard as a plot-hole.  The Collectors tore you a new one, and TIM needs the power of the icon (He says it's not about what you did, but what you ARE) to help advance his cause.  You're right it is a rather convenient way to put you in-debt to Cerberus and a real teeth-grinder at that (considering in ME1 we were basically made to hate them with every fiber of our being) but, for me, it is an acceptable change of pace.

It's a hole because it raises questions.  It doesn't make sense.  It is unbelievable.  Shepard coming back doesn't follow.  Showing us a surgery of metallic-glowey things fusing to sternum and bone and blue fluid doesn't cut it.  It helps, but they've got a lot of ground to cover.  They could've gone the 1) techno-jargon route, and explained everything, the 2) genius scientist (army of?) who invented a new technology (Wilson?), 3) the eezo/unobtainium/Reaper tech route, 4) the magical-science-fantasy route, with a person who represents the Voice of Authority who can explain what happened in his magical, life resurrecting ways.

Instead we are lead to believe it's a medical miracle without knowing how or what was involved to make us point and go "oh, because of A, Shepard was resurrected."

TIM doesn't need the power of an icon, unless he wants his icon to get discounts at stores, because he just spent a fortune, and his icon needs some toy ships.  On sale.

I find your lack of rejection disturbing.

Modifié par smudboy, 19 juillet 2010 - 09:06 .

[jklinders]

Just want to correct you on one point only smudboy. Absolute zero does not happen in nature. Deep space or not. It is the complete lack of energy or entropy which simply does not exist. http://en.wikipedia....i/Absolute_zero

[RiouHotaru]

smudboy wrote...

A lot of stuff

Alright the, let's tackle this one point at a time once again.  I like this though, this has been surprisingly civil.

I'm not saying it's impossible for future tech to solve brain death. I'm saying we're not told how.  Especially considering 1) we're not told or shown how, 2) we're not told or shown the state of Shepard brain, and body, when all evidence supposed it exploded on impact to the point of being only "meat and tubes."

If we are to believe cryrogenics is possible (which it is, a la Jack), then we must conclude there is a science to it.  Just throwing people into the vacuum of space + depressurization does not involve a scientific procedure.  Seeing a person hurtling at a planet at supposedly 1000s/m hour doesn't help.

Everything you said about test tube clone babies is moot here, unless you believe Shepard is a clone.

We have plenty of exposition as to the state of the body.  "Meat and tubes" is one, and the Redepmtion comics state "So messed up you can't tell if it's a man or a woman from looking at it."  Whether the comics are a valid source I'll address later since it's a major point later.  The problem with giving a detailed explanation of how Shepard is revived is that it would likely involve an metric crap-ton of medical and scientific jargon that the majority of players would simply not understand.  Most of us don't have medicine or science degrees in the areas of neurobiology and medical science.  Therefore, Bioware asks us to believe on faith (and suspension of disbelief) that 200 years in the future, with enough money and manpower, such a thing is possible.  It's not a huge leap of faith, given we're ask to believe that a magical particle basically makes the laws of physics it's personal plaything (Eezo).

The clone babies thing was just to prove that it's possible to do things in the ME-verse that today would not be considered even remotely possible in the first place.

Forget the comics: we do not need supplementary stories to add to the narrative after the fact.  In fact, that would be a failure in writing, if one needs a Codex entry, or a reference material to experience media.  Also see ME3: An Apology.

That cybernetic stuff that the audio logs talk of?  That's good.  It's just not good enough.  I do not buy it.  Many people with brains and who read books, do not buy it.  IFF Shepard was brought back with: 1) alien (Reaper?) tech, 2) Eezo, then I'd buy it.  But we have no idea, and we even get a shoddy audio log from Miranda who doesn't understnd the difference between sub zero and absolute zero temperatures in space.

The comics and novels are a perfectly valid source of material and evidence.  They go into detail about events which we hear about.  For example, we know that Liara gave your body to Cerberus, but she doesn't go into detail.  If you want to know exactly why she did it, then you need to read the supplementary material.  You don't have you, it's not necessary, but it adds to the experience.  Simply not liking it or believing it's not necessary does not invalidate the evidence or views offered in the material.  So just ignoring them is not a defense.

You actually make a valid point.  We don't know that Reaper-tech wasn't used for Shepard.  The more recent novel, Retribution, involves Greyson getting Reaper Tech implanted into his body on TIM's orders.  And this comes BEFORE Shepard's death.  It's entirely possible the cybernetics used for Shepard were reverse-engineered from a Reaper.

It's a hole because it raises questions.  It doesn't make sense.  It is unbelievable.  Shepard coming back doesn't follow.  Showing us a surgery of metallic-glowey things fusing to sternum and bone and blue fluid doesn't cut it.  It helps, but they've got a lot of ground to cover.  They could've gone the 1) techno-jargon route, and explained everything, the 2) genius scientist (army of?) who invented a new technology (Wilson?), 3) the eezo/unobtainium/Reaper tech route, 4) the magical-science-fantasy route, with a person who represents the Voice of Authority who can explain what happened in his magical, life resurrecting ways.

Instead we are lead to believe it's a medical miracle without knowing how or what was involved to make us point and go "oh, because of A, Shepard was resurrected."

TIM doesn't need the power of an icon, unless he wants his icon to get discounts at stores, because he just spent a fortune, and his icon needs some toy ships.  On sale.

I find your lack of rejection disturbing.

The fact we don't see any of the things you wanted doesn't make the "resurrection" any less valid.  Wilson's logs state that the fact they were able to put Shepard back together at all is in fact a miracle of medical science.  Not to mention there are mentions of just how close of a call it was making sure you stayed alive during the procedure.  My "lack of rejection" comes from the fact that I don't require a specific explanation to tell me how putting Shepard back on his/her feet is possible.  I'm willing to suspend my disbelief by seeing that TIM poured an ungodly amount of money into the project, and hurled as much manpower and technology at it until the problem of putting Shepard back together was solved.

The fact I choose to accept Bioware's explanation isn't a bad thing either.

[Inquisitor Recon]

If it was that easy to recreate Shepards brain why doesn't TIM just create an entire army of cloned Shepards?

[RiouHotaru]

Because remember what TIM said. "It's now what you've experienced or what you've accomplished, it's about what you represent."

[Inquisitor Recon]

Well keep the original Shepard but make all of the clones wear helmets. (which according to Gears of War increases a person's chances of getting killed by 500%)



Or perhaps all of the Shepards would start killing each other.

[lovgreno]

ReconTeam wrote...
Or perhaps all of the Shepards would start killing each other.

That is a interesting idea. Perhaps TIMmy actualy did that and the strongest surviving Shepard is the Shepard we play in ME2? And maybe the original shepard returns to settle things in ME3.

[ADLegend21]

KainrycKarr wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Again. The space shuttle has lightweight panneling that protects against the heat from atmospheric entry. It's not farfetched to think this far into the future that kind of material isn't commonplace in dropships, armor, etc.

So if he did get into the mako, i find the whole thing perfectly believable.

exactly, and armor have Kinectic barriers to protect the wearer.

Kinetic barriers do not protect against enviromental hazards.

Yes. The kinetic barrier, from what I read in the novels, only stops high-velocity projectiles. And while I'm sure one would fall pretty fast through an atmosphere, I don't think it's anywhere near as fast as ammunition from the kind of high-velocity weapons kinetic barrier's were made with in mind.

Or depending on the class it might have been a biotic barrier? and as we saw on Haestrom Shields to take damage from heat and radiation, the radiation wasn't coming in at projectile speeds, it was just there.

[neophyte12]

smudboy wrote...

I'm not saying it's impossible for future tech to solve brain death. I'm saying we're not told how.  Especially considering 1) we're not told or shown how, 2) we're not told or shown the state of Shepard brain, and body, when all evidence supposed it exploded on impact to the point of being only "meat and tubes."

so Bioware was to supposed to show/tell us how every single piece of technology in the game works in detail...got it

That cybernetic stuff that the audio logs talk of?  That's good.  It's just not good enough.  I do not buy it.  Many people with brains and who read books, do not buy it.  IFF Shepard was brought back with: 1) alien (Reaper?) tech, 2) Eezo, then I'd buy it.  But we have no idea, and we even get a shoddy audio log from Miranda who doesn't understnd the difference between sub zero and absolute zero temperatures in space.

which is exactly why we should base opinions on evidence, and the majority of evidence points to him dying

Instead we are lead to believe it's a medical miracle without knowing how or what was involved to make us point and go "oh, because of A, Shepard was resurrected."

developers shouldnt have to convince players something that they wrote happened by including what would be a boring/tedious/overly verbose explanation of a procedure that most players don't care about

[Terraneaux]

smudboy wrote...

But we have no idea, and we even get a shoddy audio log from Miranda who doesn't understnd the difference between sub zero and absolute zero temperatures in space.

Man this made me rage so hard.  Plus it makes Miranda seem slightly dumber (we know she has an overinflated idea of her own intelligence, but come on...).  It's the *lack of pressure* that kills you in space, like bringing a deep-sea fish up to the surface, even faster than lack of oxygen.  

[Enfuego]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Enfuego wrote...

We're talking about a sci fi world in which people use magic, er, "biotic power" and other magic, er, "mass effect" to accomplish feats that are, to our current understanding of the universe, flatly impossible. 

Strictly speaking, there is no magic in sci fi worlds. Hence, "magic", not magic.

Strictly speaking, any technology that's sufficiently advanced has the appearance of magic to the unitiated.  If "Mass Effect" or "Biotics" were real science, then there would be volumes of studies and theories and data to explain them, but instead they're plot devices in a video game.  They're things that could plausibly exist to be discovered, but which we have not discovered and have no reason to believe will ever be discovered.  They're "hand waving" AKA sci-fi "magic."  It's taken as a given, from the first moment that you play the series, that you accept a certain number of incredible or impossible occurrences based on the thin premise that biotics, or mass effect, or a semi intelligent virus, or racial genetic memories, or "Indoctrination" or any number of other pseudo scientific rationale are a plausible explanation.  

And as long as they don't directly contradict themselves, it all works, because you either suspend your disbelief enough to accept a fictitious layer of fake "future" science, or you don't, and if you don't, then none of it works.  It's a house made out of plywood and we all just pretend that it's gingerbread because a story about a gingerbread house is a lot more interesting than a story about plywood.

Complaining about the plausibility of Shepard being brought back to life is ludicrous.  Of all the fantastic things we're asked to accept, this is probably one of the LEAST fantastic.  I can think of at least a dozen things off the top of my head that are harder to accept, yet no one is fixating on why EDI can hack doors on a planet's surface from orbit, but can't hack the doors on her own ship, or why going from full to empty on the Locust involves ejecting 18 heat clips even though it only takes four clips to get from empty to full capacity, or how exactly the genophage has any clue about how many Krogan there are in the entire galaxy.    If you can manufacture a plausible explanation for any of THAT then it should be a snap to manufacture an explanation for how a brain dead person gets their memories and personality back.

Sure, Bioware never offers a scientific explanation for it, but they don't really offer a scientific explanation for anything else either.  It's all a bit of nonsense, but it's fun nonsense and it's all kept vague enough that it's all possible once you accept the premise of uncovered technology from an ancient galactic civilization jump starting human progress to unimaginable levels.

Modifié par Enfuego, 20 juillet 2010 - 12:19 .

[smudboy]

neophyte12 wrote...
so Bioware was to supposed to show/tell us how every single piece of technology in the game works in detail...got it

1. If it's a medical miracle, and not magic, and we're in a sci-fi universe.
2. If it's not explained.
3. If it's not explained with a plot device or invented technology we can see as an established "magic" (e.g. Eezo.)
4. It deals with our protagonist.
5. It deals with resurrection.

Then yes.

which is exactly why we should base opinions on evidence, and the majority of evidence points to him dying

Um, yes, that was never at question.  But hey, obvious observations are good.

developers shouldnt have to convince players something that they wrote happened by including what would be a boring/tedious/overly verbose explanation of a procedure that most players don't care about

Excuse me?  A work of fiction shouldn't convince it's audience of what it's selling?  Do you know what "willing suspension of disbelief is?"

It's their job to make us believe in this fantastical world they're selling us.

Not doing so as an insult to intelligence, and a downgrade from "space opera" to "popcorn blockbuster action flick."  Which it is.

[Chim3ra]

No oxygen in atmospher = why he didn't burn up





Really low surface gravity = why he didn't become a pancake.