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#26
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Nightwriter wrote...

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NO, Miri does not settle for peices of **** like that.

But, how would she argue with that voice?


This woman right here could argue with that voice. This one. Right here.

Oh, sure, you think just because of Thane all it takes for a woman is just a sexy voice. Well you're wrong.

It takes a hot body and a sexy voice. Oh, and a sexy character too. So there.

Don't forget personality. Comes tops for me.

I could also argue with that voice, quite easily. Voice means very little to me so....

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Vaenier wrote...

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Wilson working with the Shadow Broker does make the most sense since the Broker would want to get Shepards body back.

Except for the hole issue of the station it is located on being blown up by robots, Shepards body eating a rocket and becoming a fine red mist, or the fact the robots were hostile to Wilson...


Wilson wanted to sell a fully functional Shepard to the Shadow Broker for many much cash.

TIM uncovered his plan, and ordered Miranda to eliminate the conspiracy and cover all up.

She started the mechs.

It was also a planned live fire exercise for Shepard. And a very bad surprise for Wilson and his possible accomplices.

CASE CLOSED.

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CASE RE-OPENNED:

You have merely an educated guess, which hardly makes it fact without hard evidence. Sorry!

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Liara hired him to kill Shepard, cause she's a crazy ****

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Arijharn wrote...

CASE RE-OPENNED:
You have merely an educated guess, which hardly makes it fact without hard evidence. Sorry!


Hard evidence: Miranda killed Wilson on sight. Her petty excuses, that it was dangerous to keep him alive were pathetic. Three able bodied soldiers (at least two biotics) against one wounded doctor? She could have shot him in the knee-caps, knocked unconscious and haul for interrogation. It's standard procedure: you don't dispose of the traitor before you know who he works for, and who else is the rat. But apparently there was no need. Because, everything about Wilson's defection was already known. Perhaps one of Wilson's accomplices gave it all away.

Replay the first mission with this explanation in mind, and you'll be surprised how well everything adds up, including Wilson's panicking voice when he first comes in on the radio.

Or, if you have a better one, I can't wait to read it!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 mai 2010 - 02:35 .


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The first thing I thought of when I saw this thread was "WIILLLSSSSOOONNNN!!!!!!" :lol: Castaway FTW.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

CASE RE-OPENNED:
You have merely an educated guess, which hardly makes it fact without hard evidence. Sorry!


Hard evidence: Miranda killed Wilson on sight. Her petty excuses, that it was dangerous to keep him alive were pathetic. Three able bodied soldiers (at least two biotics) against one wounded doctor? She could have shot him in the knee-caps, knocked unconscious and haul for interrogation. It's standard procedure: you don't dispose of the traitor before you know who he works for, and who else is the rat. But apparently there was no need. Because, everything about Wilson's defection was already known. Perhaps one of Wilson's accomplices gave it all away.

Replay the first mission with this explanation in mind, and you'll be surprised how well everything adds up, including Wilson's panicking voice when he first comes in on the radio.

Or, if you have a better one, I can't wait to read it!


That's... a really good theory. It's probably what happened, makes complete sense. =]

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"My name is Voit ******!"



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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

CASE RE-OPENNED:
You have merely an educated guess, which hardly makes it fact without hard evidence. Sorry!


Hard evidence: Miranda killed Wilson on sight. Her petty excuses, that it was dangerous to keep him alive were pathetic. Three able bodied soldiers (at least two biotics) against one wounded doctor? She could have shot him in the knee-caps, knocked unconscious and haul for interrogation. It's standard procedure: you don't dispose of the traitor before you know who he works for, and who else is the rat. But apparently there was no need. Because, everything about Wilson's defection was already known. Perhaps one of Wilson's accomplices gave it all away.

Replay the first mission with this explanation in mind, and you'll be surprised how well everything adds up, including Wilson's panicking voice when he first comes in on the radio.

Or, if you have a better one, I can't wait to read it!


My point being you have a lot of supposition, but this isn't 'hard evidence' no matter how hard you work it. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but all you have is guess work.

All we know for sure is what is presented to us: Miranda killed Wilson. Also, just because you have two Biotics and one (pathetic) scientist doesn't mean that the scientist couldn't incapacitate one and kill the other, this is when the whole 'element of surprise' thing coming into play (which has always been, and always will be more effective). All he needs to do is wait for them to become complacent (holster their weapons). Remember, a biotic uses his powers through repeated patterns which are trained into them. Throw for example is accomplished by training a pattern in the air (although said pattern isn't needed per say, it's just so that the biotic can remember the necessary nervous system commands). I'm not saying that this is would be 100% effective of course, but it would be Wilson's plan (at least, it would be mine if I were Wilson).

For argument's sake, I agree with you with the Shadow Broker angle (because yes it makes sense... but it isn't 'hard evidence.') I think however that Miranda didn't set the mechs up, I think Wilson did but perhaps Miranda interfered remotely (or Wilson panicked), which led to Wilson shooting himself in desperation to escape blame. Probably at that moment he realised he wouldn't get the mechs to terminate Shephard, but merely cut his loses to try again at a later date).

Alternatively, perhaps the Shadow Broker isn't directly involved, maybe Wilson went directly to the Collectors?

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Maybe it was an outside agent we haven't met yet.

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scorptatious wrote...

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ChanceRandom wrote...

scorptatious wrote...

"My name is Voit ******!"

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A little. But who cares?

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Arijharn wrote...
All we know for sure is what is presented to us: Miranda killed Wilson. Also, just because you have two Biotics and one (pathetic) scientist doesn't mean that the scientist couldn't incapacitate one and kill the other, this is when the whole 'element of surprise' thing coming into play (which has always been, and always will be more effective). All he needs to do is wait for them to become complacent (holster their weapons). Remember, a biotic uses his powers through repeated patterns which are trained into them. Throw for example is accomplished by training a pattern in the air (although said pattern isn't needed per say, it's just so that the biotic can remember the necessary nervous system commands). I'm not saying that this is would be 100% effective of course, but it would be Wilson's plan (at least, it would be mine if I were Wilson).


And this does not make any sense at all. As I said, if Miranda believed Wilson was a traitor, there was no element of surprise. Instead of shhoting him in the face, she could hav shot him in the knee caps, or tear his hands of with biotics, or incapacitate him in any numver of ways. At that point wilson had no chance. He knew it the moment he saw Miranda, because being a smart guy, afterall, he correctly pinned her down as source of the mech attach.

Jacob got suspicious of Wilson for a moment, but Wilson managed to quell this, and for the good reason: he was not the one who masterminded the mayham. The only thing he forgot to mention, was that he was a traitor indded. His plan was to wait until Shepard is complete (another couple of days), then give the "package" away to the Shadow Broker, while it would have beed in transit. So when Jacob said on the radio, that Shepard is alive, Wilson decided to stick to the plan - put Shepard on a shuttle and rendevoux with the Shadow Broker's agents. He could have hoped to get Jacob from behind by surprise, or simply relied on a squad of the Blue Suns armed to the teeth that would accompany the Shadow Brokers agent.

Inflicting a wound on youself in the circumstances when a very confined place is crawling with hostile machinery is just to prove you're a good guy is a bit implausible. More likely you'll shoot yourself in the head out of dispair.

Wilson may be a greedy and lusty SOB, and even a bit crazy (in the mad scientist sense), but he was no fool. Killing Shepard with a risk to his own healh could not be his goal.

So, unless you come up with a better explanation (preferably with "hard evidence" in every sentnence [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]) for what happened on the Lazarus station, the case remains closed and archived.

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A wound that can be easily repaired with a dose of medi-gel.








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Massadonious1 wrote...

A wound that can be easily repaired with a dose of medi-gel.


Uh-huh... Especially after Wilson's ass could have been fried by the mechs if Shepard and Jacob took a wrong turn or decided to stop for another chat.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 mai 2010 - 09:49 .


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You mean fried in the room that was convienetly impeded on one side by an explosive container (that wave of mechs that appear when Shepard shows up could of suicided themselves on it if they were late, buying him more time) and Jacob and Shepard destroying everything in their path on the exposed side?



And, if he has mech clearance, he could of easily locked a certain set of doors so that they showed up in that room eventually.

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IMO, he was never right in the head to begin with. Add the fact that he apparently had a crush on Miranda and you get quite an explosive combination.

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Plot hole, so it's something we can only speculate about. Choose the explanation that suits you best.

He was rather unstable, wich they should have seen when hiring him. It's rather typical that the two top Cerberus agents almost messed up another Cerberus project due to failing to provide the necesary security.

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shepard_lives wrote...

IMO, he was never right in the head to begin with. Add the fact that he apparently had a crush on Miranda and you get quite an explosive combination.


Yeah, Wilson did it for the lulz.

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lovgreno wrote...

He was rather unstable, wich they should have seen when hiring him.


I bet, you'd be rather unstable too, if you were stuck on a space station, that had just gone mad all of a sudden, and was being rescued by the very guy you'd been planning to sell to the Shadow Broker.

Wilson was perfectly stable  when they were hiring him. Just greedy

Given the circumstances, he performed very well, until the tough break at the shuttle bay. I guess, TIM just didn't plan it to be a Wilson's day.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

IMO, he was never right in the head to begin with. Add the fact that he apparently had a crush on Miranda and you get quite an explosive combination.


Yeah, Wilson did it for the lulz.

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Modifié par TobiTobsen, 25 mai 2010 - 11:20 .


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Zavrian wrote...

So, who was he working for?  The Collectors?  The Shadow Broker?


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Vaenier wrote...

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Wilson working with the Shadow Broker does make the most sense since the Broker would want to get Shepards body back.

Except for the hole issue of the station it is located on being blown up by robots, Shepards body eating a rocket and becoming a fine red mist, or the fact the robots were hostile to Wilson...



Well we have seen stories and movies were people have shot themselves to avoid suspicion, and who is to say the robots were gunning after Wilson? we only see them attack after we enter the room he is in so teaming up with Shepard again avoids suspicion (once we were on the shuttle he could have killed/incapacated the team then off to the Shadow Broker) plus even Jacob said "Can you lead us into a room "Without" all these mechs?" which is also rather suspicious, then there was the stuff about Wilson not having clearance to the computers in that area and all that as well as now robots working or destroyed in the room he was in despite the fact he was yelling that they found him.

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Wilson: "Shepherd's Alive!? How is that possible?..."

Do you see any destroyed mechs in server room B with him? Did they just shoot him in the leg and walk off? The only dead bodies in that room are dead cerberus employees.

When Miranda says "...my job" following Wilson's death she's referring to the opening cinematic.

TIM: "...see to it we don't loose [Shepherd]"

Wilson was working for Liara ;)

Feeling guilty for giving your body up to Cerberus she bribes Wilson to blow up the station and destroy Shepherd so she can obsess over the Shadow Broker in peace, rescue and make time with Feron who she prefers to boring ol' Shep..

Modifié par Crunchyinmilk, 26 mai 2010 - 07:50 .