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[Shadow_broker]

I think it was really jacob maybe with wilson in on it
"shepard, What the hell!" Jacob acted way too nice and always seemed to try to get on sheps good side from the start. He had mirandas trust as he was her top officer so she glazed over the possibility
He was on eden prime....Agent for Saren perhaps seeking revenge?
And it seemed he was trying awfully hard to pin the blame on wilson when you first run into wilson


Expecting a betrayl from him in ME3 anyways

Modifié par Shadow_broker, 25 août 2010 - 02:59 .

[Sajuro]

Thompson family wrote...

The highest bidder.

My guess, though, is the Shadow Broker. Who else would have the information gathering, secret-cracking skill to find this (I assume) top secret Cerberus facility and the money to turn Wilson. Even then it took two years.

Only to find out in the next game one of the scientists tweeted about it.

[Mister Mida]

Best bet would be indeed the Shadow Broker. Maybe Wilson was one of the few people in Cerberus who thought the whole Reaper situation was just a load of crap over nothing.

[Splinter Cell 108]

If you ask me it was all done by Cerberus. They say Wilson's the bad guy, kill him and then pretend to be the "good" guys so that Shepard believes they are somewhat good. I saw no reason for Wilson to do all that, and I'm sure most people wouldn't go nuts for the things they say he went nuts.

[Graz73]

This is all left unexplained, which is a big loose end.
I wonder if there is any extra Wilson audio in the unused audio files? 

This is an interesting contradiction:
After the mission, text claims "Facility destroyed by remote detonation"

BUT, there is also this note to Shep:

Shepard,
Jacob tells me you've been keeping an eye out for cutting-edge supplies -- weapons, armor, amps, and so forth. It so happens that I had something waiting for you when you awoke in the Lazarus Research Station. It was lost in the chaos but found again when Cerberus secured the station. I had it delivered to the Normandy. Look in the armor closet in your quarters -- it'll be hard to miss.

So, I am not sure what this tells us about Wilson, but it does seem to say that either the facility was not really destroyed, or that the facility was secured then destroyed (which doesn't make much sense?)

If TIM was on the level with this message, then TIM meant for Shepard to wear the Blood Dragon Armor once waking up.  This would seem to contradict theories that TIM was behind it.

There are other posibilities besides Wilson being a traitor.  Maybe he found out some bad **** that Cerberus was planning to do with Shepard and got a conscience?

It would be way cool if Wilson could be saved from Miranda's shot, or even just brought along as a squad member through cheats...

[Sajuro]

Graz73 wrote...

This is an interesting contradiction:
After the mission, text claims "Facility destroyed by remote detonation"


So, I am not sure what this tells us about Wilson, but it does seem to say that either the facility was not really destroyed, or that the facility was secured then destroyed (which doesn't make much sense?)

It was secured but in usual cerberus brilliance, they were indoctrinated by the mini-fridge in the staff break room and then the base was blown up.

[Moiaussi]

I think Wilson was working for some external power. Issues regarding Miranda were likely part of his motivation but it seems unreasonable that it would have been jealousy over Shep, since Shep was merely the project and not even conscious. It would be like him being jealous of Miranda spending too much time on a new toaster they were developing.

As for Miranda killing Wilson instead of merely incapacitating him, they were still evacuating a station under fire, and doing so while trying to carry a prisoner, especially a wounded prisoner would make no sense.

Also, there was no real reason to actually evacuate if it was just the mechs. The mechs could have been shut down/reprogrammed. The station itself wasn't set to blow up or anything. The implication was that they expected some other threat. It is possible they just wanted Shep to feel scared enough to go with them... the whole 'this is the only shuttle' bit was nonsense, since the station presumably has a communications room and if Shep stayed he could likely have fought his way there and called in the Alliance. Abandoning a perfectly sound station in a shuttlecraft doesn't make a lot of sense if you stop to think about it.

That brings up the other reason for killing WIlson. It forces Shep's hand, and before they were on the shuttle. It is harder to side with a dead man than a live one.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Vaenier wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Wilson working with the Shadow Broker does make the most sense since the Broker would want to get Shepards body back.

Except for the hole issue of the station it is located on being blown up by robots, Shepards body eating a rocket and becoming a fine red mist, or the fact the robots were hostile to Wilson...

He probably faked the hostile robots.

The robots weren't going to blow the station up.

Shephard was supposed to stay unconscious.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Graz73 wrote...

This is all left unexplained, which is a big loose end.
I wonder if there is any extra Wilson audio in the unused audio files? 

This is an interesting contradiction:
After the mission, text claims "Facility destroyed by remote detonation"

BUT, there is also this note to Shep:

Shepard,
Jacob tells me you've been keeping an eye out for cutting-edge supplies -- weapons, armor, amps, and so forth. It so happens that I had something waiting for you when you awoke in the Lazarus Research Station. It was lost in the chaos but found again when Cerberus secured the station. I had it delivered to the Normandy. Look in the armor closet in your quarters -- it'll be hard to miss.

So, I am not sure what this tells us about Wilson, but it does seem to say that either the facility was not really destroyed, or that the facility was secured then destroyed (which doesn't make much sense?)

If TIM was on the level with this message, then TIM meant for Shepard to wear the Blood Dragon Armor once waking up.  This would seem to contradict theories that TIM was behind it.

There are other posibilities besides Wilson being a traitor.  Maybe he found out some bad **** that Cerberus was planning to do with Shepard and got a conscience?

It would be way cool if Wilson could be saved from Miranda's shot, or even just brought along as a squad member through cheats...

Most likely just big project writing errors, in which the guy doing the text for the special-offer DLC armor and the guy writing the epilogue for Lazarus Station didn't compare notes, and there was no coordinating editor reviewing the work of both for contradictions.

[Graz73]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Graz73 wrote...
This is an interesting contradiction:
After the mission, text claims "Facility destroyed by remote detonation"

BUT, there is also this note to Shep:

Shepard,
Jacob tells me you've been keeping an eye out for cutting-edge supplies -- weapons, armor, amps, and so forth. It so happens that I had something waiting for you when you awoke in the Lazarus Research Station. It was lost in the chaos but found again when Cerberus secured the station. I had it delivered to the Normandy. Look in the armor closet in your quarters -- it'll be hard to miss.

So, I am not sure what this tells us about Wilson, but it does seem to say that either the facility was not really destroyed, or that the facility was secured then destroyed (which doesn't make much sense?)

Most likely just big project writing errors, in which the guy doing the text for the special-offer DLC armor and the guy writing the epilogue for Lazarus Station didn't compare notes, and there was no coordinating editor reviewing the work of both for contradictions.

Even if that is the case, it seems like it would have to be a retcon of some sort.

Another thing I found strange: When you question EDI about Cerberus after Joker unlocks the AI core, she says
Cerberus consists of "150 Cerberus agents and operators organized into three cells"

That does NOT seem very big!  I could swear that I personally killed more agents than that between Mass Effect 1 and 2!

[havoc373]

Graz73 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Graz73 wrote...
This is an interesting contradiction:
After the mission, text claims "Facility destroyed by remote detonation"

BUT, there is also this note to Shep:

Shepard,
Jacob tells me you've been keeping an eye out for cutting-edge supplies -- weapons, armor, amps, and so forth. It so happens that I had something waiting for you when you awoke in the Lazarus Research Station. It was lost in the chaos but found again when Cerberus secured the station. I had it delivered to the Normandy. Look in the armor closet in your quarters -- it'll be hard to miss.

So, I am not sure what this tells us about Wilson, but it does seem to say that either the facility was not really destroyed, or that the facility was secured then destroyed (which doesn't make much sense?)

Most likely just big project writing errors, in which the guy doing the text for the special-offer DLC armor and the guy writing the epilogue for Lazarus Station didn't compare notes, and there was no coordinating editor reviewing the work of both for contradictions.

Even if that is the case, it seems like it would have to be a retcon of some sort.

Another thing I found strange: When you question EDI about Cerberus after Joker unlocks the AI core, she says
Cerberus consists of "150 Cerberus agents and operators organized into three cells"

That does NOT seem very big!  I could swear that I personally killed more agents than that between Mass Effect 1 and 2!

ever consider that not everyone is considered a cerberus operative. some could just be merc's TIM hired to secure those facilities in ME1. or other freelance operative's/scientists working under false pretenses. 
TIM seems like someone who would more than gladly make people work under him under false pretenses. and even in todays world there are plenty of freelancers out there. in a galactic community i would say more so.

[Exile Isan]

My sister and I theorized that it was indeed the Shadow Broker that Wilson (and the Warden on Purgatory, but that's a different thread) was working for, and who knows maybe with the new Shadow Broker DLC we'll find out. He was dissatisfied with how much Cerberus was paying him and the fact that Miranda wasn't forthcoming with praise for all the work he was doing made Wilson a rather easy target to bribe IMHO.

Hacking the mechs caused complete and utter confusion, I'm of the opinion that Wilson intended to use this confusion to smuggle an unconscious Shepard out of the complex, but Miranda being the smart cookie she is realized was was happening and woke Shepard up. I also believe that Wilson shot himself. There is no rapid gunfire over the radio transmission and there are no damaged mechs in the room were you find Wilson. So either the mechs vanished into thin air or they were never there to begin with and it was all a ploy for him to look like a "victim" in Shepard's eyes. 

He's also pretty quick to point the finger at Miranda when Jacob questions Wilson about what he was doing in Server Room B and the fact that he doesn't have security clearance for the mechs. He's also pretty quick to say Miranda is dead and that they should just leave. Why? Because he did indeed send the mechs after her when he realized she was helping Shepard and if she did escape them he doesn't want to meet up with her again because she knows he's a traitor.

[gunswordfist]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Mukora wrote...

-ßeta- wrote... He was a slave to his own jealousy and envy.

That is my opinion.

True enough. But, you have to admit, his voice

was awesome.

Yeah, well he is Gorim from Dragon Age.

I thought he was the voice actor for

Solid Snake or Guilmon.

I just looked it up to double check and not only

is Gorim from DA, but he is Grunt as well as

Wilson. Steve Blum rocks.

Holy crap! I knew that voice sounded familiar..and he was Grunt too? Damn, good to see my favorite voice actor in the game.

[upsettingshorts]

I didn't read the thread so feel free to tell me that I'm a lazy jerk - and I am - but I think the easy answer is the best one.



He expressed resentment at the lack of appreciation displayed by Miranda and Cerberus over his accomplishments, and was thus motivated to accept money to sabotage the project. Likely the Shadow Broker providing the payment.



Plus it made for a good, fast paced tutorial.