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[Bomb In My Pants]

Let me rephrase my earlier comment. All the books that I have read & seen the movie, whether before or after, have always either been ruined, or dramatically reduced in the movie (except for, like, 3 of the Harry Potters). I don't think that the book the Hunt for Red October was ruined, like I said it was just dramatically downsized! Don't get me wrong, the movie was good, just next to the book, it was very bad. Like I "said," It's the equivalent of reducing the entire United States to the size of Hawaii.

[Lotion Soronarr]

A book and a movie will be different. They are different mediums, what works in a book won't work in a movie, and vice-versa. Movies also have a time-limit, while books cna go into sometimes mind-numbing detials about stuff.



They cannot be judged in the same way. Neither can the movie and game be.

[Alex_SM]

Obviously when a book is made into a movie not everything in the book is translated, and it should not. A movie is not the same as a book.



A perfect example I think is the adaptation of 300; this movies have lots of misplaced elements. Specially the annoying and unnecessary voice-over. The narrator works fine in the comic, but not in the screen. It should have been omitted.



And the fact that we still don't have any good video-game adaptation doesn't not make the future ones already a fail. The source of inspiration doesn't matter at all; Pirates of the Caribbean was a "theme park atraction made into a movie".

[RenownedRyan]

Alex_SM wrote...

And the fact that we still don't have any good video-game adaptation doesn't not make the future ones already a fail. The source of inspiration doesn't matter at all; Pirates of the Caribbean was a "theme park atraction made into a movie".

Thus explaining why the first  hour of the original Pirates of the Caribbean was the only section that even slightly resembled the ride and why the sequels were both revoltingly terrible movies focusing on a squid man and his starfish-faced henchmen. 

Not a good idea.  How are you going to translate so many different choices into one movie?  I guess there really is a canon-Shepard.  GASP!

Modifié par RenownedRyan, 19 juin 2010 - 04:14 .

[Alex_SM]

RenownedRyan wrote...
Not a good idea.  How are you going to translate so many different choices into one movie?  I guess there really is a canon-Shepard.  GASP!

You don't have to translate the different choices, it is a movie. That doesn't happen in a movie. 

Movies and videogames are different, they don't offer the same things. Expect the movie to be "like the game" is just absurd. 

And about the "canon Sheppard" thing... I found the whole issue ridiculous, don't understand why there's people so upset about Sheppard being different to their Sheppard. 

[Alex_SM]

RenownedRyan wrote...

Thus explaining why the first  hour of the original Pirates of the Caribbean was the only section that even slightly resembled the ride

Adapt something is not the same as "make it exactly the same".

[Wynne]

Marah_Fayne wrote...

There - totally ruined the game for you, right? Of course not. There are thousands upon thousands of players worldwide who brought to life a character comepletely different than yours, and they had no impact on your game. Neither will the movie.

The reason it didn't impact me is because your post didn't cause me to accidentally get into a conversation with a random stranger where that person talks about Shepard as a straight male played by a popular actor and acts weirded out or confused when I mention that I prefer FemShep. Nobody who's clueless about the games is, currently, going to go acting like Shepard being a white male is "the way it's supposed to be" because gamers know you can do whatever you want and we enjoy learning about each other's differences, on average at least.

I'm just so freaking tired of the stereotypical white straight male marine. I'd rather he be Spanish, or Asian, or African, or if I dared hope, a female (although, not lesbian because you know Hollywood would make it into fanservice for guys and parade out the stereotypes about tough military women, and not the type of woman who wears trashy impractical stuff and is colored like she wastes hours of her precious time on bleaching/tannning. Ripley, not Britney Spears in a uniform. Sexy in a way that makes it look like she doesn't try.) And preferably not the same old actors we always see. This should be a career-maker for a new talent looking to prove him- or herself rather than an old regurgitation of the "you have to get a big name to get noticed!" notion.

I am so torn right now. I trust and love Bioware, I adore the people they're working with so far, but... my total mistrust of Hollywood is kicking in hard. The Silent Hill movie would have been perfect if not for the idiot scriptwriter who came in and was like, "Hey, this is too much like the game. Let's make the main character looking for their adopted kid a woman! Because women are all emotional, right? And we can't show emotion on a man, men can't be like nurturing or like tender and stuff, and that's not part of the uniqueness of the original story or anything. Let's make it a mom and then make everything about the plot and monsters all random instead of psychologically symbolic and string everything senselessly together just so it's new!" The visuals were great, the actors were great, the director really had a perfect vision of the town... and then some moron ruined it by convincing them that breaking the "horror movie main characters are always frightened sexy females" mold was a bad idea. Even one small bad decision can cripple a project like this completely.

Having the courage to break the mold, like with Alien/Aliens, like with Pitch Black, like with Alias which for once followed a female spy instead of a male one, like a lot of movies where the main character was identifiable but not stereotypical... it's pretty much always awesome. It forces the people working on the project to think outside the box and defy what the audience expects in a good way. And that is my main reason for being unhappy about them defining Shepard. Because I don't think they will have the courage to actually define Shepard vs. making Shepard as much like the trailer adverts as possible. I think it's going to be just like the damned trailers for the games because nobody will want to stray from what's supposed to be canon Shepard, and they're either going to go full Paragon or full Renegade and choose the least interesting backgrounds instead of coming up with an interesting mix that will provoke emotion and prove intriguing for a character. I'm very worried that for whatever reason, somebody's going to convince them to stick to what is safe instead of taking the kind of calculated risks which make entertainment truly impressive and engrossing.

Iconic Shepard is just a little too iconic to be interesting. He blends into a crowd. Sure, he has some good lines, but he doesn't have any standout characteristics because Every Action Hero Military Guy In Space Is A Straight White Male And That Must Never Change, So Sayeth THE LORD! I don't like that little Hollywood commandment. I think an ME movie with standard Shep will be, not bad, but just fully underwhelming , and that it therefore won't garner as much attention as I'd like it to, not even if it's really good.

I'm not anti-white male. Hell, my dad is one of those, and I love him. But this is the future, and putting a caucasian male as the lead does nothing to show that humanity has changed since 2010. It shows no boldness, no bravery, no enticing spark of imagination. It still just blends in with the tired old crowd of generic Hollywood heroes, and that is the one thing that truly and fully bothers me. The idea of Shepard feeling dull, average, and lame in comparison to the character versions I played through the game with and grew to love, being just another vehicle for an over-used big name actor.

I hope the people at Bioware really, REALLY know what they're doing. Nobody in gaming has been able to handle Hollywood yet. Nobody. It hasn't even happened once. If I'm wrong, point me to the evidence. I may be pleasantly surprised... but I seriously doubt it anyone can.

ME has already been noticed. Big time. It doesn't need to follow the rules so freaking hard. I hope it won't, but I've seen Hollywood decimate enough projects that I can't bear to let myself get excited for this movie.

Modifié par Wynne, 19 juin 2010 - 11:01 .

[ATynam]

Alex_SM wrote...

The only way a movie will work though is to involve the writers of the game at a fundamental level. I've seen too many examples of gaming properties ruined by outsiders that just don't get what it's about. I still shudder at what happened to "Doom"

I don't think the "Doom" thing was about writters who doesn't know the game. 

It was about making a cheap movie with a cheap director and cheap writters who probably didn't have much more than some days to write the whole draft.

And they really knew what it was about; Doom 3 is well recognized in the movie. That wasn't what I wanted (I'm still into Doom and Doom 2) and it wasn't a good movie, but I don't think the problems where about having "outsiders".

From what i can recall "Doom" was all about opening the 'gates of hell' on Mars. It's been awhile since i played any of the games... or really paid any interest in their back story. The film uses a sorry excuse for 'genetic manipulation'. And while i'm having a bit of a rant about "Doom" why would you make a film that has a lower certification rating than the game it is supposedly based on?

Like Wynne i feel Hollywood abuses the intellectual properties found within the gaming industry as cheap cash cows.

Then again development hell is a long and torturous process and there are many films that i would have loved to have seen that have fallen by the wayside.

[ATynam]

To be honest...

as well as the graphic novels of the Mass Effect universe i would encourage the development of a CGI series of animations, anything from 3-minute shorts that show case areas or alien species to a full run of anime season length (typically 13 episodes of about 22 minutes length) to raise the profile above just gamer recognition.

[Alex_SM]

ATynam wrote...

From what i can recall "Doom" was all about opening the 'gates of hell' on Mars. It's been awhile since i played any of the games... or really paid any interest in their back story. The film uses a sorry excuse for 'genetic manipulation'. And while i'm having a bit of a rant about "Doom" why would you make a film that has a lower certification rating than the game it is supposedly based on? 

I don't think the changes in Doom have anything to do with the quality of the movie. It could have been awesome with the changes, or crap without them. At the end is just a mediocre "sunday afternoon" action flick. 

And about the certification rating; I don't know how strict are the game shops with the age, but in USA if a movie is rated R you can't go to see it if you aren't over 18 or someone over 18 acompanies you.  It's stupid, but it's the law.  So studies try very hard to avoid the R rating. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Wynne wrote...
Having the courage to break the mold, like with Alien/Aliens, like with Pitch Black, like with Alias which for once followed a female spy instead of a male one, like a lot of movies where the main character was identifiable but not stereotypical... it's pretty much always awesome. It forces the people working on the project to think outside the box and defy what the audience expects in a good way. And that is my main reason for being unhappy about them defining Shepard. Because I don't think they will have the courage to actually define Shepard vs. making Shepard as much like the trailer adverts as possible.

So you're basicly saying "the Shepard is not like I want him/her, so he's not defined?"

Bollocks. Your whole post that is.
Since when does make a character a specific race or gender make that character "unbdefined"? IT's what you do with it that counts.
And yea, I fully support a male as Sheppard. More believalbe for a super-elite commando to be male than female.

I'm not anti-white male. Hell, my dad is one of those, and I love him. But this is the future, and putting a caucasian male as the lead does nothing to show that humanity has changed since 2010. It shows no boldness, no bravery, no enticing spark of imagination. It still just blends in with the tired old crowd of generic Hollywood heroes, and that is the one thing that truly and fully bothers me. The idea of Shepard feeling dull, average, and lame in comparison to the character versions I played through the game with and grew to love, being just another vehicle for an over-used big name actor.

Having Sheppard a white male is not a statment of anything. You'r reading way too mcuh into it. Make him a hispanic woman and you can have peopel coomplaining that "political correctnes had gone mad" in the smae way. That argument makes no sense, and neither does yours.

Boldness? Bravery? You're looking in the wrong place. You have some meltal image of your character as super-interesting and brave/bold. Are oyu willing to bet that most peopel would agree wiht you?
You can't realyl say this early that Sheppard with be a dull or lame character.
If all it takes for you to cry "cliche" is just the looks of a character, then I'm surprised you watch anything at all. Ever.

[Wynne]

Hmm, should I waste time doing anything other than chuckle at juvenile trolls who present strawman arguments and insult me with them?

Heh, nope.

[Melra]

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.



It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.



Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

[UndercoverDoctor]

Melrache wrote...

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.

It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.

Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

It's going to have Shepard in it wether you people like it or not.

[Clover Rider]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.

It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.

Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

It's going to have Shepard in it wether you people like it or not.

And that is why the movie will suck big time .

[UndercoverDoctor]

Some Geth wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.

It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.

Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

It's going to have Shepard in it wether you people like it or not.

And that is why the movie will suck big time .

That "oh well it's not my shepard" is such a stupid statment on having Shepard in the movie.

[Clover Rider]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.

It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.

Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

It's going to have Shepard in it wether you people like it or not.

And that is why the movie will suck big time .

That "oh well it's not my shepard" is such a stupid statment on having Shepard in the movie.

Ok how about I don't want Mass Effect as movie why all video games make bad movies the end:wizard:.

[UndercoverDoctor]

Some Geth wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.

It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.

Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

It's going to have Shepard in it wether you people like it or not.

And that is why the movie will suck big time .

That "oh well it's not my shepard" is such a stupid statment on having Shepard in the movie.

Ok how about I don't want Mass Effect as movie why all video games make bad movies the end:wizard:.

I guess you have no faith in Bioware then.

[Clover Rider]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I am not sure if this has been said before, but if Shepard's story ends in the ME3 ( Which I assume comes out long before the movie), then they could come up with new guy for the movie or just have it tell the past of Anderson.

It would be silly to try using Shepard in movies, due to everyone having their own views on how he/she should be.

Or they could just use the movies to create new characters, which can use in future games, not involving Shepard.

It's going to have Shepard in it wether you people like it or not.

And that is why the movie will suck big time .

That "oh well it's not my shepard" is such a stupid statment on having Shepard in the movie.

Ok how about I don't want Mass Effect as movie why all video games make bad movies the end:wizard:.

I guess you have no faith in Bioware then.

No just video game movies :innocent:.

[ATynam]

If I thought Bioware had a firm hold of the reins on this project then i'd have every hope that it would be an awesome film... however i'm not sure that's the case.