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[Tonya777]

Hey can anyone explain how being a Shapeshifter is good for anything?

Since you can't cast spells while in animal forms , and if you get hurt a bit as an animal you revert to human forrm pretty quickly this seems like its simply a novelty so you can run around as a spider , bear , or swarm of bugs

A novelty you could simply enjoy by switching to morrigan and running around as animals for a few minutes once in a while , therefore making it absolutley stupid to ever specialize in it on your own character

Or am I wrong?

Modifié par Tonya777, 09 novembre 2009 - 02:55 .

[Nirvanarocks50]

I am quite disappointed in it and do wish that I had taken something else as my first specialization on my Mage. However, the bear form did help me out a bit in the Fade when I was alone.



But yeah, if you haven't already, I'd go for Arcane Warrior or Blood Mage or both.

[allothernamesweretaken]

It's pretty nifty for when you're out of mana.



That's all I got.

[Ralsar]

Agreed. It is a waste.

[Tonya777]

Yeah I play my Dwarf Rogue as my 1st main character , but I do plan to play as mage and warrior through the game too



So far I think that Spirit healer/Bloodmage would prove the most useful mage combo

[Nirvanarocks50]

I've heard that healing a Blood Mage is quite difficult/not worth it, but I haven't played as one so I wouldn't know.

[Gacatar]

Install the instant cast shifting mod. It brings it somewhat in line with other specializations.



http://dragonage.gul...ds/instantshift

[Tonya777]

Wait nevermind the bloodmage thing



I just looked at the arcane warrior stuff and they have more helpful and less harmful abilities



So Spirit healer/Arcane warrior sounds best to me

[Tonya777]

Its just that Arcane warrior I was thinking that could basically force me to get up in peoples faces with a sword or whatnot but really I could just neglect that and go with Arcane warrior simply for the buffs they get later (Fade shroud)

[TheRealIncarnal]

It does provide some utility. I ran into one situation where the enemies I was fighting were simply unable to do serious damage to Morrigan in swarm mode, so she killed all of them Solo. It was a hilarious time.



Bear is great if you need a little more melee help, and Spider is useful for paralyzing enemies.



It's just utility and flexibility, allowing a character to fulfill multiple roles if the situation takes an unexpected turn, but it's far from a primary function. However, I think that most of the specializations work that way.

[Tonya777]

I uhh whats his name?

Ok well there was this guy I had to fight after getting the spirit ashes and betraying him right? (You probably know who I'm speaking of right?)

Anyway , he and his 2 buddies kept wiping out my whole party BUT with Morrigan I soloed him by kiting him (Running around in circles) around the place and just using frost cone on him for like 15 mins straight lol

Considering frost cone is AoE , if done right a mage can kite and solo any ammount of powerful enemies , no shapeshifting involved

Plus even in animal form you can get killed but you can't really get killed if they can't touch you lol

Modifié par Tonya777, 09 novembre 2009 - 03:07 .

[Malecite00]

Yep pretty useless, all the other ones are significantly better.

[Retriraver]

A little off topic, but how do I acquire the arcane warrior specialization? I've done Redcliffe, the Mages tower, and the elven quest lines, I'm now on the dwarf city quest line and still don't have it.

[Gacatar]

Tonya777 wrote...

Wait nevermind the bloodmage thing

I just looked at the arcane warrior stuff and they have more helpful and less harmful abilities

So Spirit healer/Arcane warrior sounds best to me

If you go Arcane Warrior, you'll still have to wear heavy armor if you don't want to die.
Just activating the Combat Magic ability gives you 50% fatigue. That's more harmful than anything Blood Magic can do.
AW is good, but it WILL gimp your spellcasting ability heavily.
Blood Magic actually enhances it.

[Gacatar]

Retriraver wrote...

A little off topic, but how do I acquire the arcane warrior specialization? I've done Redcliffe, the Mages tower, and the elven quest lines, I'm now on the dwarf city quest line and still don't have it.

Don't want to put spoilers in here since it's a non-spoiler forum. Visit this page and look at the bottom for this info.
http://dragonage.wik.../Arcane_Warrior

[Tonya777]

Gacatar wrote...

Tonya777 wrote...

Wait nevermind the bloodmage thing

I just looked at the arcane warrior stuff and they have more helpful and less harmful abilities

So Spirit healer/Arcane warrior sounds best to me

If you go Arcane Warrior, you'll still have to wear heavy armor if you don't want to die.
Just activating the Combat Magic ability gives you 50% fatigue. That's more harmful than anything Blood Magic can do.
AW is good, but it WILL gimp your spellcasting ability heavily.
Blood Magic actually enhances it.

But who says I would ever actually activate combat magic?

I plan to use absolutley nothing of arcane warriors abilities besides the mana regen + evade up combo buff they get at lvl 16

[Exploding8]

I don't see much of a use for shapeshifting. The only form I've considered using is the Bear Form on Morrigan, but for a main why use that if you can go Arcane Warrior and always have that extra armor?



Arcane Warrior is especially helpful if you have the exclusive armor, since if you've invested your points mostly into magic you can probably equip it fairly early on. I've been wearing the armor since like, level 8 or 9, and I've been able to tank almost as much if not more than Alistair has (probably partly because I didn't assign his stats right, but oh well lol)

[Gacatar]

Tonya777 wrote...
But who says I would ever actually activate combat magic?

I plan to use absolutley nothing of arcane warriors abilities besides the mana regen + evade up combo buff they get at lvl 16

From that Tier 4 spell's description: "while combat magic is active"

[Tonya777]

Hmm well thats useless crap then



Still theres the armor?



I don't know... blood mage is all about hurting your own self which never seems a good idea

[Exploding8]

Regarding the combat magic mode, I use it frequently when I'm out of mana. That plus a greatsword provides decent support damage. If its a tough fight I'll use mana pots obviously and stick with the spell casting, turning combat magic off is instant so its easy to switch back and forth. And the fatigue isn't THAT terribly bad, you shouldn't use any big abilities (like Blizzard or Inferno) but using a heal or a quick Winter's Grasp now and then won't do too much harm. Also, I imagine the mana regen at level 16 will make it extremely useful even with the high fatigue. As long as the mana regen doesn't totally suck, at least.



Blood Mage seems like a tricky spec to me, there are many more health pots than mana pots that you can rely on but it seems risky to use it in a big fight if there's AOE magic flying around. I'm sure it has its uses though.

[Tonya777]

So hold on a second

When your a combat mage your magic stat # takes the place of your strength as far as armor wearing requirements goes?

Say an armor said "Requires 35 strength" , as an arcane warrior you could have 10 STR and wear it as long as you have 35 Magic?

Modifié par Tonya777, 09 novembre 2009 - 03:25 .

[Deco Inferno]

Tonya777 wrote...

So hold on a second

When your a combat mage your magic stat # takes the place of your strength as far as armor wearing requirements goes?

Say an armor said "Requires 35 strength" , as an arcane warrior you could have 10 STR and wear it as long as you have 35 Magic?

yes thats right

Back on topic, I actually like my shapeshifter character, I rarely use spider but i find swarm the bomb and bear awesome when i have no mana.

I still play almost completely in mage form but they have saved my hide numerous times, bear being tougher and swarm (Its like one of those awesome aoe spells but no friendly fire!)

The only skills I regret taking is the arcane shield and rock armor. I never use them and any time i switch to other characters, POP! the AI wastes precious mana and time sticking it on..

Modifié par Deco Inferno, 09 novembre 2009 - 03:33 .

[Habelo]

Yea i would have wished that they would have made this op. :/

[Gacatar]

Deco Inferno wrote...
The only skills I regret taking is the arcane shield and rock armor. I never use them and any time i switch to other characters, POP! the AI wastes precious mana and time sticking it on..

Then take it off the tactics?

[Scimal]

Gacatar wrote...

If you go Arcane Warrior, you'll still have to wear heavy armor if you don't want to die.
Just activating the Combat Magic ability gives you 50% fatigue. That's more harmful than anything Blood Magic can do.
AW is good, but it WILL gimp your spellcasting ability heavily.
Blood Magic actually enhances it.

Are you nuts?

As a Mage I now have the 2nd best armor/damage reduction of my party (including Dog/Shale). I've taken on Revenants with only Wynn healing my butt and a two-handed sword. After my whirlwind of AoE/Controller spells in the first minute of battle I'm stuck waiting for mana to rebuild, what do I do? Whip out my two-handed sword, flip on Combat Magic, and continue to kick ass with Alistair beating on whatever's not dead. As soon as there's enough mana, I flip it off long enough to cast a spell or two, and flip it back on.

Yeah, the Fatigue bites - but your spells don't matter if you die 10 seconds in from some insane spell combo that the boss just pulled out of its rear.

And Shapeshifting is great for the special abilities of each form, as already mentioned. Spiders can immobilize, the Swarm is great for melee combatants, and the Bear is kind of a last-ditch effort if your tanks die.