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[Dethateer]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

WHAT IF Bioware hands ME over to Obsidian?

Why would they hand you over to Obsidian?

I support this idea.

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NKKKK wrote...

New Vegas is gonna be even better than
Fallout 3.

Not quite an amazing feat.

[Fraevar]

Each game would be released broken and incomplete. The characters would be half-empty shells and particularly the women would be the worst of stereotypes/stalkers. And you'd have no way of actually managing to talk to them unless you went out and found a map of all the (limited) influence conversation triggers.



No, I'm not a fan of Obsidian. The day they release a full, complete game that works I might reconsider, but I still haven't forgiven them for screwing up both KotOR and NWN.

[Lucy Glitter]

If Obsidian was given enough time, it would be the best game ever.

[Fraevar]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

If Obsidian was given enough time, it would be the best game ever.

All the time in the world couldn't have salvaged Elanee's "Oh, I've been stalking you since you were a child" disposition.

K2 might've been good if they'd managed the original plot (Atris being Darth Traya). Alas, we'll never know.

[Lucy Glitter]

If only I had enough manpower to get them to rectify their KOTOR

[Vicious]

The first bit of the game will be completely awesome, then somewhere in the middle things will start to get buggy and confusing until everything falls apart at the end.

Wasn't just KOTOR2. This happened in NWN2 also.

I'll judge Obsidian when they actually come out with a game of their own instead of piggybacking on another company's success, which they did with KOTOR2, NWN2, and of course Fallout 3 New Vegas.

Modifié par Vicious, 25 mai 2010 - 08:00 .

[Tasker]

Eddo36 wrote...

WHAT IF Bioware hands ME over to Obsidian?

I thought they did...

... Wait, what do you mean Bioware  made ME2. 

[magnuskn]

I really don't need a goth version of Mass Effect.

[Fraevar]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

If only I had enough manpower to get them to rectify their KOTOR

I need to try one of the restoration mods, eventually.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Veex wrote...

If you take a deadline you can't meet you're at fault also. People need to stop trying to put all the blame on the publisher for a developer overextending themselves.

Keep in mind that Obsidian wanted to make a restored content patch for KotOR2, Lucasarts wouldn't let them.

[Fraevar]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Keep in mind that Obsidian wanted to make a restored content patch for KotOR2, Lucasarts wouldn't let them.

Given how LucasArts have seemingly gone out of their way to make sure everyone forgets KotOR2 even exists, I wasn't really surprised by this. I even remember when Avellone posted that on the Obsidian forums - wish I'd saved a copy before it was deleted.

[FluxDeluxe]

javierabegazo wrote...

what if the world ends 2012...?!?!

how relevant.....
 
Obsidian would no doubt introduce many of the more complex RPG mechanisms back into ME but probably at the risk of the polish that the series has gained in the last iteration. Good and bad. The story would be better, far less scared of confusing people. Obsidian are all about real moral choices, there's also a real dry edge to the humor they use. I would also expect the element of mystery to return which was sadly lacking in 2. Forget KOTOR 2 just look at Torment as a shining example of what obsidian are capable of. 

[Fraevar]

FluxDeluxe wrote...
 Forget KOTOR 2 just look at Torment as a shining example of what Obsidian are capable of. 

You don't forget KotOR 2 because it's the game that people compare Torment to. It was Obsidian's first game, and people were expecting something worthy of Torment. But the sad truth is that their team hasn't ever managed to get anywhere near Torment's quality. That is why a lot of people don't have much faith in Obsidian right now.

[Ariella]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

FluxDeluxe wrote...
 Forget KOTOR 2 just look at Torment as a shining example of what Obsidian are capable of. 

You don't forget KotOR 2 because it's the game that people compare Torment to. It was Obsidian's first game, and people were expecting something worthy of Torment. But the sad truth is that their team hasn't ever managed to get anywhere near Torment's quality. That is why a lot of people don't have much faith in Obsidian right now.

And Torement wasn't Obsidian but Black Isle, who were a publishing label in and of themselves (being Interplay's RPG clearing house at the time), which gave Black Isle an advantage over independant developer Obsidian.

NWN2 Mask of the Betrayer however, had one of the absolutely best storylines in a fantasy RPG that I've played. And while I know people complained about the soul eater mechanic, the story was just heart wrenching.

Obsidian's problem is that it is at the mercy of either the individuals who own the IPs they develope games for, or the publishing houses that they manage to market their own IPs too...

As for Mass Effect ever going to Obsidian, I'd rather it not. This is Bioware's baby, and I want to see how BW is going to end it.

[wolfsite]

It was actually KOTOR2 that introduced me to Bioware so Obsidion will always have a spot for me. But ya you can't rally blame them for KOTOR2 since they were forced to release early. There are some fan patches out there though that actually places some of the content back into the game if you look around, apparently there is a lot of finished content on the discs but was never implemented into the game due to time so these patched can give an idea of what else was gonna happen, there are also some downloads that allow to view the game movies to be played at a much higher quality (which is great considering the originals were rather grainy).





Oh wow just one more week till Alpha Protocol comes out.

[FluxDeluxe]

Ariella wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

FluxDeluxe wrote...
 Forget KOTOR 2 just look at Torment as a shining example of what Obsidian are capable of. 

You don't forget KotOR 2 because it's the game that people compare Torment to. It was Obsidian's first game, and people were expecting something worthy of Torment. But the sad truth is that their team hasn't ever managed to get anywhere near Torment's quality. That is why a lot of people don't have much faith in Obsidian right now.

And Torement wasn't Obsidian but Black Isle, who were a publishing label in and of themselves (being Interplay's RPG clearing house at the time), which gave Black Isle an advantage over independant developer Obsidian.

NWN2 Mask of the Betrayer however, had one of the absolutely best storylines in a fantasy RPG that I've played. And while I know people complained about the soul eater mechanic, the story was just heart wrenching.

Obsidian's problem is that it is at the mercy of either the individuals who own the IPs they develope games for, or the publishing houses that they manage to market their own IPs too...

As for Mass Effect ever going to Obsidian, I'd rather it not. This is Bioware's baby, and I want to see how BW is going to end it.

served
I agree I hope obsidian don't take over ME, Bioware have dpme a pretty good job so far imo

[Burdokva]

Veex wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

People really need to stop blaming Obsidian for KOTOR II. It was Lucas Art's fault. Obsidian had 11 months from concept to release date to create KOTOR II which resulted in it being buggy and having serious amounts of content deleted. Despite the impossible predicament Obsidian made KOTOR II a good but not great game. If they actually had time to finish it, I think a lot of the KOTOR II hate wouldn't exist.

If you take a deadline you can't meet you're at fault also. People need to stop trying to put all the blame on the publisher for a developer overextending themselves.

KOTOR II was supposed to be released 6 months after LucarArts simply pulled the plug and said "release, now"! People really need to stop cutting slack to greedy and idiotic publishers that ruin the work of developers to meet "holiday season deadlines". 

Mind you, I'm saying this specifically for LucasArts. Over the last ten years they've achieved the near-impossible goal of degrading the Star Wars brand from one of the most renowned in gaming in the 90's to tens of stupid and dreadful games, plus canceling every second promising project.

Modifié par Burdokva, 25 mai 2010 - 01:01 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

Massadonious1 wrote...

No thanks, I don't like incomplete games.

ME2 was complete? 


My only experience with Obsidian was Fallout 3. The facial customization was way better when compared with Mass Effect's. Your main character could actually look his/her age while still having gone through "stress". The combat, both VATs and real time was just as good as ME1's combat, which IS good. Didn't like the main character being silent even though all other voice talent was great in the game. The story itself suffered as much as ME2 did. So, I'm not sure how I would feel about an Obsidian Mass Effect 3 unless I play it.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 25 mai 2010 - 01:02 .

[Ariella]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

No thanks, I don't like incomplete games.

ME2 was complete? 


My only experience with Obsidian was Fallout 3. The facial customization was way better when compared with Mass Effect's. Your main character could actually look his/her age while still having gone through "stress". The combat, both VATs and real time was just as good as ME1's combat, which IS good. Didn't like the main character being silent even though all other voice talent was great in the game. The story itself suffered as much as ME2 did. So, I'm not sure how I would feel about an Obsidian Mass Effect 3 unless I play it.

Obsidian didn't do Fallout 3, that was Bethesda. Obsidian is doing Fallout New Vegas, but as I understand it, that's not out until Fall this year.

All Fallout 3 was was Fallout using the TES engine, which never impressed me graphics wise.

Edit: Honestly if you want to see how Obsidian handles an action based RPG, we're going to have to wait for Alpha Protocol this Friday.

Modifié par Ariella, 25 mai 2010 - 01:36 .

[wolfsite]

As I said in my earlier post, with Alpha Protocol coming out in a week that would be a good game to get an impression of how Obsidian is doing.



Frankly I'm really looking forward to it.

[Ariella]

wolfsite wrote...

As I said in my earlier post, with Alpha Protocol coming out in a week that would be a good game to get an impression of how Obsidian is doing.

Frankly I'm really looking forward to it.

Agreed, though my only issue is I can't play a female damn it. Maybe if AP does well, they'll considered adding a female option for the sequel

[FiveThreeTen]

Even with its flaws I still have a soft spot for KOTOR2, because I completed it before Kotor .

Believe me or not it didn't spoil me the "big" revelation of Kotor and I enjoyed the two games equally but for different reasons .

But I think Bioware should finish themselves what they have started with the ME franchise

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ariella wrote...

Obsidian didn't do Fallout 3, that was Bethesda. Obsidian is doing Fallout New Vegas, but as I understand it, that's not out until Fall this year.

All Fallout 3 was was Fallout using the TES engine, which never impressed me graphics wise.

Edit: Honestly if you want to see how Obsidian handles an action based RPG, we're going to have to wait for Alpha Protocol this Friday.

Bethesda, yeah you're right. Could have sworn they were doing Vegas though too.

Anyway, never played an Obsidian game then, but my post stands, I wouldn't be opposed to Bethesda's take on ME3. Though IMO the dialogue system is going to kill any potential Alpha Protocol has going for it.

[Guanxii]

Obsidian are now part of ZeniMax publishing so if BioWare do decide to hand over the Mass Effect franchise after the trilogy I'd expect them to be internal to EA, and more specifically to be a dedicated studio such as 343 Industries (Microsoft Game Studios) is for the Halo series after Bungie move-on post-Reach and into their partnership agreement with Activison.

It all depends on the final sales of the last chapter at this point, as much as WE might love it Mass Effect is not exactly a cultural phenomenon. Although EA had stated at the beginning of their acquisition that they hoped Mass Effect with their backing would be majorly successful and would go on long after the trilogy at this rate I can't see EA setting up a dedicated Mass Effect studio without the Halo or the Gears numbers to back it up, especially after seeing what they did to Pandemic little over a year ago.

Modifié par Guanxii, 25 mai 2010 - 02:23 .

[Ariella]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Obsidian didn't do Fallout 3, that was Bethesda. Obsidian is doing Fallout New Vegas, but as I understand it, that's not out until Fall this year.

All Fallout 3 was was Fallout using the TES engine, which never impressed me graphics wise.

Edit: Honestly if you want to see how Obsidian handles an action based RPG, we're going to have to wait for Alpha Protocol this Friday.

Bethesda, yeah you're right. Could have sworn they were doing Vegas though too.

Anyway, never played an Obsidian game then, but my post stands, I wouldn't be opposed to Bethesda's take on ME3. Though IMO the dialogue system is going to kill any potential Alpha Protocol has going for it.

Bethesda bought the rights to the Fallout series after Interplay went belly up, but for the FO3 follow up they decided to go back to the guys who had a hand in the original, who are mostly at Obsidian now.

Bethesda doing ME 3 would kill the game, period.