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[Addai]

keesio74 wrote...

-ßeta- wrote...

Yeah but like.....it's just something that doesn't seem right. Especially when you've romanced Leliana/Alistair.

Yeah but is assumed you never met Leliana. So that romance between you and her never existed. It sounds like some people are peeved that Leliana "cheated" on their character somehow, which is ridiculous because your character never existed to her. Like one of those alternate reality scenarios (or various time travel movies where one accidental change in the past will drastically change the future).

It doesn't really matter, because just introducing that idea changes the dynamic.  It's like there's a third wheel, and in the Origins game there's no indication of any interest at all between those two.  I have to say the idea made me ill and almost put me off the Alistair romance.  I got over it, but I really wish Bioware had left it alone, especially in a DLC that had zero story anyway.

[Carmen_Willow]

keesio74 wrote...

Didn't play the new DLC but from what I gathered Alistair n Lel ended up hooking up

Makes sense, since the DLC assumes you die at the joining and essentially Alistair would take your place as the leader ...and lover too.

So people are mad that Lili would hook up with a chap like Alistair? Can't blame her, he's a pretty sweet guy... and this is coming from a guy!

Just shows Leiliana's good taste!!!

[keesio74]

mariaklob wrote...

You can leave him without losing an ounce of approval,

How? I took a -17 hit when i dumped him and tried to be as nice as possible.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...


It doesn't really matter, because just introducing that idea changes the dynamic.  It's like there's a third wheel, and in the Origins game there's no indication of any interest at all between those two.  I have to say the idea made me ill and almost put me off the Alistair romance.  I got over it, but I really wish Bioware had left it alone, especially in a DLC that had zero story anyway.

I remember chatting it up one time with Leliana in Origins. She said that she noticed that I was getting close to Alistair. She didn't blame me because he was a really great guy. She said she might have asked him out herself if I hadn't gotten to him first. I said "There isn't anything going on between me and Alistair!" and I told her she should go for it!

But it turns out she was really hitting on me... crazy girl.

[sylvanaerie]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

keesio74 wrote...

mariaklob wrote...

You can leave him without losing an ounce of approval,

How? I took a -17 hit when i dumped him and tried to be as nice as possible.

You have to tell him that the relationship doesn't have any hope of going anywhere, I think. Or perhaps any dialogue option saying there is no future for the relationship. I suspect that he has perhaps been feeling that way all along, that something like this would be too good to be true to happen to him and must inevitably come to an end.

Yea its basically the "Its nothing personal I just don't see a future in it" responses.  Since he knows he is probably going to be forced into being king at the landsmeet and feels he has to end it after that anyway he kind of agrees with you.  You go from love to "friendly" so he isn't even mean about it.

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


It doesn't really matter, because just introducing that idea changes the dynamic.  It's like there's a third wheel, and in the Origins game there's no indication of any interest at all between those two.  I have to say the idea made me ill and almost put me off the Alistair romance.  I got over it, but I really wish Bioware had left it alone, especially in a DLC that had zero story anyway.

I remember chatting it up one time with Leliana in Origins. She said that she noticed that I was getting close to Alistair. She didn't blame me because he was a really great guy. She said she might have asked him out herself if I hadn't gotten to him first. I said "There isn't anything going on between me and Alistair!" and I told her she should go for it!

But it turns out she was really hitting on me... crazy girl.

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that dialogue doesn't count.

[sylvanaerie]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

keesio74 wrote...

mariaklob wrote...

You can leave him without losing an ounce of approval,

How? I took a -17 hit when i dumped him and tried to be as nice as possible.

You have to tell him that the relationship doesn't have any hope of going anywhere, I think. Or perhaps any dialogue option saying there is no future for the relationship. I suspect that he has perhaps been feeling that way all along, that something like this would be too good to be true to happen to him and must inevitably come to an end.

Yea its basically the "Its nothing personal I just don't see a future in it" responses.  Since he knows he is probably going to be forced into being king at the landsmeet and feels he has to end it after that anyway he kind of agrees with you.  You go from love to "friendly" so he isn't even mean about it.

Because of game bugs, he still thinks he'll be made king after I've put Anora on the throne. An eternal pessimist, he. He accepts that as an break-up excuse even if I marry myself to him at the Landsmeet, which is kind of amusing. At the end, post coronation, he asked if I thought the marriage was "strange" and remarked that we weren't even friends. Ouch.

Damn vanilla game bugs...After Landsmeet I swear they must have celebrated with one helluva party at Bioware cause everything in the game at that point is just a huge cluster F* of WTFery moments.

[Addai]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Because of game bugs, he still thinks he'll be made king after I've put Anora on the throne. An eternal pessimist, he. He accepts that as an break-up excuse even if I marry myself to him at the Landsmeet, which is kind of amusing. At the end, post coronation, he asked if I thought the marriage was "strange" and remarked that we weren't even friends. Ouch.

That happened to me, too.  My HNF romanced him, dumped him over cold feet about the GW baby problem, then decided at the last minute to marry him.  I was thinking I could turn the romance back on, but no good.  They had only been apart a few weeks game time and he said "but we're not even friends" and acted as if she was shoe dirt.  Very traumatic.  I decided that my RP nuance had confused the game too much so I had to go back and give them a happier ending.

[Miri1984]

Addai67 wrote...

keesio74 wrote...

-ßeta- wrote...

Yeah but like.....it's just something that doesn't seem right. Especially when you've romanced Leliana/Alistair.

Yeah but is assumed you never met Leliana. So that romance between you and her never existed. It sounds like some people are peeved that Leliana "cheated" on their character somehow, which is ridiculous because your character never existed to her. Like one of those alternate reality scenarios (or various time travel movies where one accidental change in the past will drastically change the future).

It doesn't really matter, because just introducing that idea changes the dynamic.  It's like there's a third wheel, and in the Origins game there's no indication of any interest at all between those two.  I have to say the idea made me ill and almost put me off the Alistair romance.  I got over it, but I really wish Bioware had left it alone, especially in a DLC that had zero story anyway.

There IS an indication that Leliana is interested in Alistair. I don't know how I managed to trigger it, but I think if you start the romance with both of them but don't get Leliana too high in approval she says something along the lines of "I would have made a move on him first, if you hadn't got there." So the idea of the two of them together is already in Origins.

Personally I think they make a sweet couple.

[sylvanaerie]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...



Damn vanilla game bugs...After Landsmeet I swear they must have celebrated with one helluva party at Bioware cause everything in the game at that point is just a huge cluster F* of WTFery moments.

"Beer for everyone!"

"But the game isn't even finished!"

"Tequila for everyone!"

"But the Landsmeet hasn't been--"

"VODKA FOR EVERYONE. ESPECIALLY YOU."

More like someone in the office for sh*ts and giggles replaced all the water coolers with bongwater.

[mariaklob]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

keesio74 wrote...

mariaklob wrote...

You can leave him without losing an ounce of approval,

How? I took a -17 hit when i dumped him and tried to be as nice as possible.

You have to tell him that the relationship doesn't have any hope of going anywhere, I think. Or perhaps any dialogue option saying there is no future for the relationship. I suspect that he has perhaps been feeling that way all along, that something like this would be too good to be true to happen to him and must inevitably come to an end.

Aye, I've always kept approval intact by saying that I know there's no hope for the future of this relationship. He gets the really sad face but agrees with you.

[Addai]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

I can't remember a game ever making me feel as stung as I did then. We are friends! What a horrible thing to say to your future wife!

There are sadder things to be had in Alistairland.

Landsmeet breakup and awfulbad post-breakup talk in camp



And then there is the Warden Commander ending, which is about as awfulbad as it gets.

[Miri1984]

Aww. I hate/love that post-break-up conversation. Especially when he says "Thinking about you is too painful - and too tempting.."



*lip wobble*

[Merilsell]

keesio74 wrote...
I guess I was surprised how much I cared for the guy. I thought I wouldn't care. 

Yeah I now totally get all the Alistair fangirls.

Heh. Mr. Gaider's superb character writing gets them all in the end Or how Alistair would say:





On a more serious note: It's nice to hear a guy saying that, for most don't get the appeal of the adorkable Grey Warden. Then again most guys never play as a female to learn Alistair's other side. He is a great buddy and all but his full potential/appeal one can only see when playing a female imo.

[Avilia]

I decided to kick the puppy after all...



I mixed my game play up and did Redcliffe towards the end. I had Alistair at Adore but not Love, so, no talk of love post tenting.



I broke up with him with the "there's no future" with no approval drop.



I just couldn't send him to Morrigan as his first time..I know its a game and all but it just seems too cruel.



Now...is that an Assassin I see over there! *wanders off towards the elf in the corner*

[SRWill64]

keesio74 wrote...

 I'm a guy who for my 3rd playthrough decided to create a female character. I decided to romance Alistair and Zevran to get the achievement but it was my plan all along to break it off afterwards so I can end up with Leliana. The surprising thing was how much I felt for Alistair and... umm... how hard it was to dump the poor chap! Hahaha it was too funny. I totally felt terrible afterwards. I never thought I'd be like that. I finally understood all the Alistair fangirls out there.Such a nice sweet guy. Leliana is still my girl but damn did the writers do a good job with Alistair LOL

I can't this to this poor, sweet guy. I was going to go after Zev, but after flirting with Alistair  and playing 'tag' with him and all the convos, he had my girl (and me) hooked...I couldn't do it. I can't bring myself to choose Zev (or any other character) over him.
My husband has made a female character so he could get the girl/girl romance with Leliana but he won't give Alistair a chance...he's jealous because I like him. I keep telling him he's missing out but he won't even try.

[Ymladdych]

Addai67 wrote...
It doesn't really matter, because just introducing that idea changes the dynamic.  It's like there's a third wheel, and in the Origins game there's no indication of any interest at all between those two.  I have to say the idea made me ill and almost put me off the Alistair romance.  I got over it, but I really wish Bioware had left it alone, especially in a DLC that had zero story anyway.

Truthfully, there are quite a few hints that they would hook up, but they're subtle and easily ignored/overlooked until you have a reason to think that they have more significance.  In my case, the realization dawned on me about 4 months ago, while going through the Deep Roads on the PS3 version. The Leliana avatar was literally running my PC over to plaster herself against Alistair. It was too obvious and consistent to be something NOT hardcoded into her avatar's behavior. Coincidentally enough, my character was in a relationship with her, and Wynne had just given me the "I know you two are together because she's always finding a way to stand next to you" speech.  I was like, "Wow, but...she's always putting herself next to...Alistair..."  *cue the lightbulb over my head flicking on*

My best friend didn't believe me when I told him about it. He thought it was a jealous female thing. That is, until he saw it for himself, and sure enough, he just about choked on his Pepsi when he saw her avatar do the "move over bee-yotch!" maneuver so she could stand next to Alistair. And although her avatar's behavior alone isn't entirely incriminating, it was enough for me to pay closer attention to the aforementioned details and see the writing on the wall.  (Note:  her avatar doesn't seem to stalk Alistair so obsessively in the PC version, but she does seem to almost always be "targetting" him.  I haven't done much testing though...she's perma-camped now that I have access to Zevran ASAP.  But then again, I've noticed enough differences between the platform versions to see that Edge of Reality took some creative license with stuff.)

And to show that I'm not just retroactively trying to defend the DLC: I had a short discussion with Lady Damodred about the Leliana/Alistair possibility...pre DLC release in the gush thread. 

http://social.biowar...899/601#2529352

[Addai]

Ymladdych wrote...
(Note:  her avatar doesn't seem to stalk Alistair so obsessively in the PC version, but she does seem to almost always be "targetting" him.  I haven't done much testing though...she's perma-camped now that I have access to Zevran ASAP.  But then again, I've noticed enough differences between the platform versions to see that Edge of Reality took some creative license with stuff.)

Interesting.  Well, I proposed a theory in a thread after the DLC coming out that Leliana is still operating as a bard in Origins.  People scoffed at that, too.  I'm actually hoping it's true, because it would make the character more interesting to me than just caramel-for-brains.  Sorry, it's automatic at this point.  LOL

[Miri1984]

Addai67 wrote...

Ymladdych wrote...
(Note:  her avatar doesn't seem to stalk Alistair so obsessively in the PC version, but she does seem to almost always be "targetting" him.  I haven't done much testing though...she's perma-camped now that I have access to Zevran ASAP.  But then again, I've noticed enough differences between the platform versions to see that Edge of Reality took some creative license with stuff.)

Interesting.  Well, I proposed a theory in a thread after the DLC coming out that Leliana is still operating as a bard in Origins.  People scoffed at that, too.  I'm actually hoping it's true, because it would make the character more interesting to me than just caramel-for-brains.  Sorry, it's automatic at this point.  LOL

This would make sense - a reason for sticking to the warden and trying to romance them as well as a reason for her to try it on with Alistair - handy for the Orlesians if they have a "spy" as the mistress to the king, no?

[Ymladdych]

Addai67 wrote...

Ymladdych wrote...
(Note:  her avatar doesn't seem to stalk Alistair so obsessively in the PC version, but she does seem to almost always be "targetting" him.  I haven't done much testing though...she's perma-camped now that I have access to Zevran ASAP.  But then again, I've noticed enough differences between the platform versions to see that Edge of Reality took some creative license with stuff.)

Interesting.  Well, I proposed a theory in a thread after the DLC coming out that Leliana is still operating as a bard in Origins.  People scoffed at that, too.  I'm actually hoping it's true, because it would make the character more interesting to me than just caramel-for-brains.  Sorry, it's automatic at this point.  LOL

Well, I'm not sure if they'll delve that far into her character or if they're willing to go with a "spy story twist," but certain things about her character do raise some points of interest for me.  (Skanky, man-poaching tendencies aside.)  When she finally confesses about her past, she adds a qualifying statement that she wants there to be "no more lies between us...at least not in THIS."  Plus, I've always wondered about the documents she read and how she glosses over her escape from the prison.  Alistair speaks of her sadness...what is she sad about, really?  Going by her Fade nightmare and how the Guardian confronts her about wanting attention, is she really sad about leaving the cloister?  Or is she sad because she had to make a deal with someone to get out of prison?  Maybe Marjolaine was working for Loghain and those documents were related to his betrayal of Cailan.  Maybe Celene backed out of visiting Ferelden because she knew what was about to go down and she figured the country would be easy pickings after the dust settled?  Perhaps Leliana's sadness is because she might have been able to warn someone about Ostagar but didn't...

Entertaining ideas, and not as "paranoid" as other posters might say.  (I stalk more than I post, and I did happen to read that thread.  )

Modifié par Ymladdych, 26 mai 2010 - 07:37 .