Modifié par klarabella, 26 mai 2010 - 07:41 .
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Addai67 wrote...
There are sadder things to be had in Alistairland.Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
I can't remember a game ever making me feel as stung as I did then. We are friends! What a horrible thing to say to your future wife!
Landsmeet breakup and awfulbad post-breakup talk in camp
And then there is the Warden Commander ending, which is about as awfulbad as it gets.
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Nu-Nu wrote...
I wouldn't call it a backstab or that he planned it to work out this way. If you don't make him king and kill loghain he's quite happy and doesn't have sad face on, unlike when you make him king. It's to balance out the bittersweet ending that morrigan fans get. But unlike morrigan fans we can change it and make a "happier" ending.
Considering that Alistair does not want the throne this makes little sense.Alistair had just performed the most elegant backstab in the game - used me to get the throne and then thrown me away, with an excuse to make sure we remained on good terms.
Modifié par klarabella, 26 mai 2010 - 08:54 .
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Nu-Nu wrote...
I wouldn't call it a backstab or that he planned it to work out this way. If you don't make him king and kill loghain he's quite happy and doesn't have sad face on, unlike when you make him king. It's to balance out the bittersweet ending that morrigan fans get. But unlike morrigan fans we can change it and make a "happier" ending.
I know that. I said in my post that I later found that this wasn't true. The whole ordeal makes for a funny story, in hindsight.
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klarabella wrote...
You have to do "where do you see this doing"-talk before the Landsmeet.Considering that Alistair does not want the throne this makes little sense.Alistair had just performed the most elegant backstab in the game - used me to get the throne and then thrown me away, with an excuse to make sure we remained on good terms.
Unhardened Alistair is forced on the throne against his will. A terrible thing to do to someone the PC claims to love. The dumping is actually a nice revenge: you stole my freedom, you destroyed my life, now see what this means for us.
Hardened Alistair is taking the throne because he is convinced it is his duty as he can do better than Anora. It is still a sacrifice for him and he will agree with you that it means losing his freedom.
He will try to break up but one word and he changes his mind.
I suppose, if you intend to make your boyfriend king you should at least spare a thought or two for what this possibly means for your relationship.
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Nu-Nu wrote...
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Nu-Nu wrote...
I wouldn't call it a backstab or that he planned it to work out this way. If you don't make him king and kill loghain he's quite happy and doesn't have sad face on, unlike when you make him king. It's to balance out the bittersweet ending that morrigan fans get. But unlike morrigan fans we can change it and make a "happier" ending.
I know that. I said in my post that I later found that this wasn't true. The whole ordeal makes for a funny story, in hindsight.
I've really come to like the sad ending but to get over the shock I decided I was going to let my warden take the final blow and watch Alistair get depressed instead but he took the blow instead and I was like wtf?!
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Easy, there. I did not make him king or take his freedom away. He made himself king after dualing and killing Loghain, which I found odd since he had always told me he didn't want to be one. I had no choice in the matter. You can't blame me for thinking that way during my first playthrough where I wasn't aware of all the 150 different ways things could go differently.
I don't blame you. Really, as much as players want to be immersed, very few are immersed enough to consider what it means for someone to become king. And the game mechanics of the Landsmeet and the Hardening aren't exactly what I'd call natural or intuitive.
Alistairschica wrote...
but I don't think Leliana is liked much now because of the new DLC. There was alot of rage for a while but I think it's died down.
:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P
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klarabella wrote...
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Easy, there. I did not make him king or take his freedom away. He made himself king after dualing and killing Loghain, which I found odd since he had always told me he didn't want to be one. I had no choice in the matter. You can't blame me for thinking that way during my first playthrough where I wasn't aware of all the 150 different ways things could go differently.
What I wanted to say is, for the character it shouldn't be a surprise. I'd assume they are aware about what they are going to do. It must be a pretty delusional dwarf/elf/mage to think: My boyfriend is going to be king and we'll live happily ever after.
Naturally I think it can easier to roleplay a character conistently on subsequent playthroughs.
klarabella wrote...
It must be a pretty delusional dwarf/elf/mage to think: My boyfriend is going to be king and we'll live happily ever after.
Exactly! I prefer to handwave the utter nonsense and pretend things that are said and done actually make sense. I knew about the catch before playing and I can only imagine what it must be like to play through unspoiled and then get this WTF moment.Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
The whole Landsmeet was weird. After the trashtalking between me and Loghain, I give Alistair the honor of dualing him, cue Loghain execution and Anora being sent away to the Tower. Post-Landsmeet he talks to me and makes it sound as if I shoved him on that throne even when I had promised my support to Anora (without telling him that, though) and I would actually have accepted "a king can't be with an elf/mage/dwarf". It would have been a tragic forbidden love story, sort of. We all love those. But then he brings up ferility and it just comes out of nowhere - I don't think you should have to romance him to find that out, as I highly doubt Alistair is the kind of person who would hide something like that from a friend. The male players would never find out, especially when they can baby up Morrigan even without the ritual.
Archdemon is that way, ass. -->
Modifié par klarabella, 26 mai 2010 - 10:52 .
Tirigon wrote...
Why does Alistair care for an heir so much?! He´s a bastard himself, for dog´s sake! He could just f*ck a few servant girls and get his damned heir.
D'aaaaaaw, this is so cute.blademaster7 wrote...
Because a picture is worth a thousand words....
http://tutchangers.d...llery/#/d2nog6b
Haha, that is great!blademaster7 wrote...
Because a picture is worth a thousand words....
http://tutchangers.d...llery/#/d2nog6b
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Exactly! I prefer to handwave the utter nonsense and pretend things that are said and done actually make sense. I knew about the catch before playing and I can only imagine what it must be like to play through unspoiled and then get this WTF moment.
Modifié par maxernst, 26 mai 2010 - 01:23 .
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Easy, there. I did not make him king or take his freedom away. He made himself king after dualing and killing Loghain, which I found odd since he had always told me he didn't want to be one. I had no choice in the matter. You can't blame me for thinking that way during my first playthrough where I wasn't aware of all the 150 different ways things could go differently.
maxernst wrote...
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Easy, there. I did not make him king or take his freedom away. He made himself king after dualing and killing Loghain, which I found odd since he had always told me he didn't want to be one. I had no choice in the matter. You can't blame me for thinking that way during my first playthrough where I wasn't aware of all the 150 different ways things could go differently.
There, I can certainly sympathize with you. I almost fell into that trap myself...it's just that Loghain killed him my first playthrough, so I switched to my PC. I have no idea why Alistair would suddenly crown himself king when he kills Loghain...if you kill Loghain and Alistair is unhardened, it's Eammon who rushes into the royal declaration and Alistair is trying to back off.
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
That happened to me, too. My HNF romanced him, dumped him over cold feet about the GW baby problem, then decided at the last minute to marry him. I was thinking I could turn the romance back on, but no good. They had only been apart a few weeks game time and he said "but we're not even friends" and acted as if she was shoe dirt. Very traumatic. I decided that my RP nuance had confused the game too much so I had to go back and give them a happier ending.Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Because of game bugs, he still thinks he'll be made king after I've put Anora on the throne. An eternal pessimist, he. He accepts that as an break-up excuse even if I marry myself to him at the Landsmeet, which is kind of amusing. At the end, post coronation, he asked if I thought the marriage was "strange" and remarked that we weren't even friends. Ouch.
I can't remember a game ever making me feel as stung as I did then. We are friends! What a horrible thing to say to your future wife!
Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mai 2010 - 02:57 .
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ejoslin wrote...
That is a bug. I do fix it. He still says he thinks it's strange, but he's nicer. He's supposed to say that to a hostile warden, not a friendly one, or even a warm one.
Edit: To address another point (I'm too lazy to quote, sorry), the "still in love" will get you friendly greetings and such (the romance is no longer active) but there are some differences. If you tell Alistair you're still in love with him at the gates (heh, with a modded game, can't do it with vanilla), you get some different dialog. Alistair won't let you die (this one is known). And if you marry him while he's still in love, you get the "in love" epilogue card. Oh, and at the funeral (well, in ZDF only if you don't have Zevran or Leliana in love, but that's a change I made) he gives a different dialog as well.
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