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[Omega-202]

Silver Dreamer wrote...

Really? I thought a female lead would earn a producer more money if they were little to no clothing at all...

Though I do enjoy playing a fem Shepard (her voice acting is amazing), since male Shep seems to be the default (as males are for almost all games that have both genders in them), it wouldn't surprise me to see a male lead.

Depressing, but true.

Not even Angelina Jolie in a naked shower scene could help Tomb Raider outsell male led action films with the same budget.  

You don't have to have a female lead to have skimpily clad women.  It would be pretty easy to get a half naked Ashley or Liara into the film.  

Which also brings up a good point.  Ashley is already a strong leading lady of ME1.  She's a tough female character that has a "presence" to her.  Kaiden on the other hand, is not a rough and tumble character.  He's kinda passive.  So if you made Shepard a female, where would the "alpha-male" role come from in the film?  Kaiden can't carry a leading man role.  

[Silver Dreamer]

Oh, I didn't mean having a fem lead was necessary for a half-naked character, but I thought it would earn more money to half a half-naked lead as the lead is... well, the lead.

I suppose you could have Kaiden using his super bio-tech abilities to help Shepard out in firefights, but if I recall correctly (I've been stonewalled by Rachni using the very class Kaiden uses, so I haven't played in a while), Kaiden didn't do too much in ME 1. I wouldn't say he would need to be a strong alpha-male, but he would need a stronger personality. As it is, he's sweet and rather quiet. And doesn't have too much going for him besides that. I suppose that's another point for male Shepard as a lead. >.


I have to admit though, having Ashley as a leading-lady would almost make up for not having a fem Shepard in the first place-- if they show some sides to her besides the bad-assery, Ashley could make a captivating character.

Modifié par Silver Dreamer, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:18 .

[Omega-202]

Silver Dreamer wrote...

Oh, I didn't mean having a fem lead was necessary for a half-naked character, but I thought it would earn more money to half a half-naked lead as the lead is... well, the lead.

I suppose you could have Kaiden using his super bio-tech abilities to help Shepard out in firefights, but if I recall correctly (I've been stonewalled by Rachni using the very class Kaiden uses, so I haven't played in a while), Kaiden didn't do too much in ME 1. I wouldn't say he would need to be a strong alpha-male, but he would need a stronger personality. As it is, he's sweet and rather quiet. And doesn't have too much going for him besides that. I suppose that's another point for male Shepard as a lead. >.


I have to admit though, having Ashley as a leading-lady would almost make up for not having a fem Shepard in the first place-- if they show some sides to her besides the bad-assery, Ashley could make a captivating character.

My idea would be to have Ashley as the second lead to the movie.  Focus on her as a "main" female character.  
Not only that, but I'd throw a curveball.  Have Shep's love interest be Liara and make Ashley and Kaiden a couple.  

Imagine the drama of the Virmire situation by having a "Dark Knight" scenario.  Having Kaiden and Ashley in a relationship would make that scene absolutely heart wrenching in the only way it could even come close to comparing to the impact of the game's Virmire situation.  

[Silver Dreamer]

Hmm, that could work... but can you have a second lead that isn't introduced within the first few minutes of a movie? I suppose if you juxtapose (haha rhyme) Shepard and Kaiden dropping down to Ashley's team trying to fight off the Geth it could work...



But can Kaiden work as a secondary romance? Actually I think he might. A few scenes of dialogue just before a few major missions may just make it plausible. But how would you develop their relationship without detracting too much from Shepard? A few let's-split-up-the-group-and-see-what-happens scenes?

[Omega-202]

Silver Dreamer wrote...

Hmm, that could work... but can you have a second lead that isn't introduced within the first few minutes of a movie? I suppose if you juxtapose (haha rhyme) Shepard and Kaiden dropping down to Ashley's team trying to fight off the Geth it could work...

But can Kaiden work as a secondary romance? Actually I think he might. A few scenes of dialogue just before a few major missions may just make it plausible. But how would you develop their relationship without detracting too much from Shepard? A few let's-split-up-the-group-and-see-what-happens scenes?

You're going to need some "lets split up" moments in order to give the 7 combat characters enough useful screen time.  In order to let everyone shine, it would have to be a bit "ensemble".  Some combat flirtation ala Han Solo/Leia would work well for an Ash/Kaiden relationship, while Shepard/Liara would focus more on the private moments, deep conversations and "mind melding".  

[Silver Dreamer]

True, true. Maybe mix in some of Ashley's xenophobia to make things interesting... it just might work. Here's to hoping that this movie gets some form of character development across!!

[Omega-202]

PinkWatermelons wrote...

that is completely changing the game though, if there were to be a kaidan/ashley romance. there is either a female lead who can date kaidan or not, or a male lead who can date liara, ashley, or noone. the storyline shouldn't get changed around alot just because it is going to be a movie.

What's changing that much?  Shepard has a relationship with Liara, Kaiden with Ashley and that's it.  Nothing is changing except taking 2 squadmates who Shepard is not romancing and hooking them up.  And its not like there was no hint of this in ME1 to begin with.  If you reject Ashley right out, when her sister calls her aboard the Normandy, she mentions how cute Lt Alenko is instead of Cmdr Shepard.  Also, when you're first aboard the Citadel and you have the conversation at the observation point in the lower Wards, Kaiden shows an interest in Ash.  

It works for either gender of Shepard as either could have a relationship with Liara, but would probably be male.  Also, with the whole "embrace eternity", prothean beacon part, in addition to the entire Lair of the Shadow Broker plot, Liara seems to be the more "canon" and logical love interest for Shepard.  

[migrained]

I hope this movie goes on par with Star Trek or Star wars. Not some cheap movie.

[Lee337]

The game is all about our story, however we choose to play it. I think it would be bettter if the movie was based in the mass effect world but not on Shepards story. I don't think theres any way they can base it on Shepards story when theres so many ways it can be played.

[Omega-202]

Lee337 wrote...

The game is all about our story, however we choose to play it. I think it would be bettter if the movie was based in the mass effect world but not on Shepards story. I don't think theres any way they can base it on Shepards story when theres so many ways it can be played.

Easy.  The writers just choose the path that would sell best to a wide audience.  
Going by shear market demographics and what sells in an action movie:

- Male Shepard
- Mostly Paragon, but with a snarky attitude and some key Renegade quips.  Think James Bond
- Blending of all 3 class facets.  The spirit of a Soldier but with minor biotics and tech use.
- Pick a strong actor who has the right overall presence and acting chops but can also keep up with the physical demands of the role

There really aren't THAT many ways to play Shepard.  Little secret: in a lot of the major conversations in the first game (Spectre Induction, conversations with the Council), every option on the wheel actually gave you the same line.  All other choices were just a matter of "be a jerk" or "be a nice guy" but the end result was the same.  

For the other "choices", most of them are pretty obvious based on what would go over best with a wide audience.  Wrex won't be killed, the Council would be saved, Shepard would ask Saren to redeem himself (committing suicide), etc.  Virmire survivor is the only one without a clear cut "obvious best choice" for a blockbuster movie.  

[TRUCROW]

I love the Idea of ME movie but am scared at wat happens but that is why we go to the movies is to see what happens so get over it guys. Lets go to the movies. LOL

[Omega-202]

PinkWatermelons wrote...
yeah i guess that really isn't changing anything. i never noticed kaidan showing an interest in ash but then again i play as femshep.

still, if the movie is based on shepards story , i don't think the movie should focus too much on other people's relationships. it could a bit, but shepard needs to remain the main person. i'm still not even sure they should do a movie on shepards story. something else might work better.

Shepard would remain the main character, but it would serve as a way to get away with an ensemble cast if they needed to.

Hiring a single big name actor to play Shepard and getting third stringers for the squad would end up with a pretty terrible movie just like every other videogame film.  That's the basic pattern I've noticed.  Take a videogame, get a big actor for the lead, surround them with crappy support, watch the money not roll in.  

I'd prefer having an ensemble cast of lesser known but highly talented actors like they did for Watchmen or Star Trek.  Going the ensemble route also means that you can appease some of the fans by inherently leaving the characterization of Shepard more vague than you would have if he was the SINGLE focus of the movie.  

What defines Shepard, at least in the game, has always been his interactions.  We develop Shepard through his dialogue with other characters.  The same holds true for a character in a film.  You need good supporting characters to properly portray the lead.  

[Evongelo]

Wow i am going to try and get a job with the production of the movie!  I want to be a part of this.  anyone know how one could go about this?

[tw3301]

i've said it before, i will say it again... mass effect movie is a bad idea. the only way to tell the story would be an HBO mini-series, there is just too much going on to cram it into a 2 hour film. imagine 12 episodes with around $2 million an episode budget... that is the only way to really make this work.

[Arandomindividual]

How will the Renegade/Paragon thing be done in the movie? We all play Shepard differently.

[Arandomindividual]

tw3301 wrote...

i've said it before, i will say it again... mass effect movie is a bad idea. the only way to tell the story would be an HBO mini-series, there is just too much going on to cram it into a 2 hour film. imagine 12 episodes with around $2 million an episode budget... that is the only way to really make this work.

So make four two-hour films then?

[Omega-202]

tw3301 wrote...

i've said it before, i will say it again... mass effect movie is a bad idea. the only way to tell the story would be an HBO mini-series, there is just too much going on to cram it into a 2 hour film. imagine 12 episodes with around $2 million an episode budget... that is the only way to really make this work.

If you wanted to follow the first game to the last rivet, then yes.  But if you're willing to cut certain things, you can definitely fit most of it.  Ideally, I'd say go the "Deathly Hallows" route and do ME1 in two movies.  

- Feros is a non-event for the most part and can be dropped from an ME1 movie
- Therum could be dropped and Liara could be picked up in some other way
- You could fold the Cerberus introduction into Noveria, by introducing them as somehow tied to Binary Helix's Rachni project.  Therefore there's no need for any of those side missions.  

So if you want 1 movie, you've got:
- 10 min intro + credits
- 20 mins on Eden Prime
- 20 mins Citadel/Spectre Induction
- 20 mins Noveria (dropping the whole pre-Peak 13)
- 30 mins Virmire
- 30 mins Ilos/Finale 

2 hour and change movie.  You've gotta realize that most gun battles in films are over in less than a few minutes and there's only so many "cool" gun battle sequences they can do in a film.  

If you want to stretch it into 2 movies, you can flesh out certain parts and throw Feros back in.  Make the cut off at Virmire (with either Feros or Noveria being in film 2) so you end with a big revelation and a huge loss to the team.  

[Evilenzo]

Omega-202 wrote...


If you want to stretch it into 2 movies, you can flesh out certain parts and throw Feros back in.  Make the cut off at Virmire (with either Feros or Noveria being in film 2) so you end with a big revelation and a huge loss to the team.  

Great idea!

I've just arrived on this board, this topic about the movie is the greatest news i've read!

[Harley_Dude]

TV series with the voice actors as real characters gets my vote.

[GameBoyish]

I think they should really change the game a bit you know? Instead of typical commercial stuff, they go Purple Cow (google it).



For instance,

-Female Shepard (too much testosterone fueled films, we need moar Salt!)

-Believable romance with Liara



Besides, Bioware's marketing strategy with all the games so far has been filled with dudes. the movie should get a heroine instead.



Regarding the cast, I think they should keep as many of the original ones as possible.

Yvonne Strahovski (with CG make-up for extra "genetic engineering"), Keith David, Carrie Ann Moss, Seth Green (MUST!)... Heck even Brandon Keener and Liz Sroka, think Silver Surfer (Doug Jones is the body, Laurence Fishburne is the voice).



Nobody can say "scoped and dropped" like Brandon Keener. Or recreate the cuteness of Tali like Liz Sroka.



I think it would be great to have loads of love triangle issues and/or even pair some of the characters together. I've seen a very well written Thane/Jack fanfiction (seriously, writer made it work!) and I have always thought Tali had hints of yuri love for my fem!Shep.



Note that I am only saying these if and only if the movie is based directly on Shep's story first game onwards...

[nightcobra]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

I think they should really change the game a bit you know? Instead of typical commercial stuff, they go Purple Cow (google it).

For instance,
-Female Shepard (too much testosterone fueled films, we need moar Salt!)
-Believable romance with Liara

Besides, Bioware's marketing strategy with all the games so far has been filled with dudes. the movie should get a heroine instead.

Regarding the cast, I think they should keep as many of the original ones as possible.
Yvonne Strahovski (with CG make-up for extra "genetic engineering"), Keith David, Carrie Ann Moss, Seth Green (MUST!)... Heck even Brandon Keener and Liz Sroka, think Silver Surfer (Doug Jones is the body, Laurence Fishburne is the voice).

Nobody can say "scoped and dropped" like Brandon Keener. Or recreate the cuteness of Tali like Liz Sroka.

I think it would be great to have loads of love triangle issues and/or even pair some of the characters together. I've seen a very well written Thane/Jack fanfiction (seriously, writer made it work!) and I have always thought Tali had hints of yuri love for my fem!Shep.

Note that I am only saying these if and only if the movie is based directly on Shep's story first game onwards...

i'm hoping for a turian protagonist remembering his experience in the first contact war, befriends a female human soldier on the battlefield but ultimately kills her as part of his duty. a few years after the war he could be an informant for the humans and help them achieve a place among the other races in the citadel out of respect towards that woman.

[DravenShep]

As long as they don't mess with the story, then I say go for it. They better make it good though.

[shivershepard]

I think the idea of bringing in the voice actors (who actually look remarkably like their characters) to be the actual actors in the film would be awesome.