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[kempie]

xxellenmaysongxx wrote...

SteelChef wrote...

I don't think they should involve Shepard at all, the novels avoided Shepard because choice is such a big part of the game's story arc. I'm pretty sure It'll be about the First Contact War or something like that, maybe after the Reaper threat even.

Totally agree! but I have a feeling they will... and probably fail at it. Come on, sure they can mention Shepard, as "Shepard" no battle between male vs female then and don't go anywhere near the choices (e.g. if the council lived or not) then I'll be okay. Of course, the mention Shepard is only if movie set after Shepard's Arc. If they do something before that! Even better! I doubt they'll listen to what we think though... 

It's already been announced back in August last year that the movie will focus on Shepard, and probably stay close to the plot of the first game - see here

Modifié par kempie, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:37 .

[THEPURPLEVAGRANT]

I cannot wait for this!!!! seriously this could not be better news. You guys did such a great job on that game and id love to se Shephard, Miranda, and Wrex onscreen. Ill even take my son, he loves the game.

[Getorex]

kempie wrote...

xxellenmaysongxx wrote...

SteelChef wrote...

I don't think they should involve Shepard at all, the novels avoided Shepard because choice is such a big part of the game's story arc. I'm pretty sure It'll be about the First Contact War or something like that, maybe after the Reaper threat even.

Totally agree! but I have a feeling they will... and probably fail at it. Come on, sure they can mention Shepard, as "Shepard" no battle between male vs female then and don't go anywhere near the choices (e.g. if the council lived or not) then I'll be okay. Of course, the mention Shepard is only if movie set after Shepard's Arc. If they do something before that! Even better! I doubt they'll listen to what we think though... 

It's already been announced back in August last year that the movie will focus on Shepard, and probably stay close to the plot of the first game - see here

I thought this was the case and, having been away from the forums for a while, was confused to still see people hashing it about and demanding that the movie not be about Shepard and ME1.  I wondered if there had been a change from the original announcement.

That said, in response to the statement prior that the books didn't mention Shepard...these only worked without mentioning Shepard and all the games already set down that CORE character and plot already.  By themselves, those books would be coming from left field.  The movie(s) HAVE to be seen from scatch because the vast majority of moviegoers are NOT keyed into the entire Mass Effect story and need it to be layed out for them clear and direct.  

Too many people here come at it wearing blinders they've put on in this forum microverse after they have already played the first two games, read the books, etc, and already know the story inside and out.

[Getorex]

Reorte wrote...

I've sometimes thought that one reason that films based on games fail so miserably is that there's not enough material. ME has a significant well-created universe with enough depth to it that that shouldn't be a problem, so I'm joining in with those upset at using the first game when there are hundreds of new stories just waiting to be told (and the other reasons are good too - it'll be too much like watching someone else playing ME, interesting as it is it's not your Shepard that you're seeing).

*Sigh*  No there are NOT a bunch of new stories to be told.  There is one and only one: Shepard being THE key to stopping the Reapers.  Reapers are only known about and actively fought against by Shepard and his crew, no one else.  HE makes the key decisions, HE is at THE key locations, HE is at THE fulcrum of this alternative/future history.  No one else is and no other story but his has any importance or salience.  Shepard and the Reapers are THE only story.

The only reason "there are other stories to tell" for YOU and a handful of others here in this forum is because you know the game and story inside and out.  No one else does.  You and a handful of fanboys/girls in this forum are NOT the target audience.  You are all peripheral and minor.  The BIG money, the BIG audience has no clue whatsoever about the Mass Effect universe, have no clue about Reapers, Shepard, the Normandy, and the key/central exploits of its crew to the very continued existence of (future) civilization.  Any other story pales in comparison and makes no sense to the uninitiated.

Please, get that central fact into your thoughts.  You are not the target audience except by accident and peripherally. 

[xxellenmaysongxx]

Getorex wrote...

Reorte wrote...

I've sometimes thought that one reason that films based on games fail so miserably is that there's not enough material. ME has a significant well-created universe with enough depth to it that that shouldn't be a problem, so I'm joining in with those upset at using the first game when there are hundreds of new stories just waiting to be told (and the other reasons are good too - it'll be too much like watching someone else playing ME, interesting as it is it's not your Shepard that you're seeing).

*Sigh*  No there are NOT a bunch of new stories to be told.  There is one and only one: Shepard being THE key to stopping the Reapers.  Reapers are only known about and actively fought against by Shepard and his crew, no one else.  HE makes the key decisions, HE is at THE key locations, HE is at THE fulcrum of this alternative/future history.  No one else is and no other story but his has any importance or salience.  Shepard and the Reapers are THE only story.

The only reason "there are other stories to tell" for YOU and a handful of others here in this forum is because you know the game and story inside and out.  No one else does.  You and a handful of fanboys/girls in this forum are NOT the target audience.  You are all peripheral and minor.  The BIG money, the BIG audience has no clue whatsoever about the Mass Effect universe, have no clue about Reapers, Shepard, the Normandy, and the key/central exploits of its crew to the very continued existence of (future) civilization.  Any other story pales in comparison and makes no sense to the uninitiated.

Please, get that central fact into your thoughts.  You are not the target audience except by accident and peripherally. 

Dispite, popular belief, people do play female shepard! That pretty boy is only a face to sell, he is not THE commander shepard, just a face and there are other stories in the universe that can be told! But no... 

To be fair, it's probably going to end up like every other game movie out there... a bloody waste of time... 

Here's a quote, that I doubt anyone would care about, but still it's the truth; 
"Better to write for yourself and have no public than to write for the public and have no self." ~ Cyril Connolly 
Just for you money grabbing bastards out there and the idiots that follow, keep it in mind...

Modifié par xxellenmaysongxx, 05 janvier 2012 - 09:16 .

[Reorte]

Getorex wrote...
*Sigh*  No there are NOT a bunch of new stories to be told.  There is one and only one: Shepard being THE key to stopping the Reapers.  Reapers are only known about and actively fought against by Shepard and his crew, no one else.  HE makes the key decisions, HE is at THE key locations, HE is at THE fulcrum of this alternative/future history.  No one else is and no other story but his has any importance or salience.  Shepard and the Reapers are THE only story.

The only reason "there are other stories to tell" for YOU and a handful of others here in this forum is because you know the game and story inside and out.  No one else does.  You and a handful of fanboys/girls in this forum are NOT the target audience.  You are all peripheral and minor.  The BIG money, the BIG audience has no clue whatsoever about the Mass Effect universe, have no clue about Reapers, Shepard, the Normandy, and the key/central exploits of its crew to the very continued existence of (future) civilization.  Any other story pales in comparison and makes no sense to the uninitiated.

Please, get that central fact into your thoughts.  You are not the target audience except by accident and peripherally. 

Whoah with the attitude! The Mass Effect universe is well-enough developed that it could be the setting of any number of stories. It's not as if Shepard's adventures are the only things that have ever happened there. There is nothing whatsoever to stop them using the setting to tell another exciting adventure that has nothing to do with Shepard, or anything else we already know about, other than not having to create a new universe from scratch. That's fine for people who aren't ME fans - whether a film is about Shepard or something else is irrelevent to them, it's all new for them, and for people who are ME fans it gives us something completely new too. So what if Shepard's story is the biggest thing there? Why does that matter, as long as the one made into a film is a good story. Take another fictional universe. Why are they making a film of The Hobbit, when the big story has already been told? (and arguably that wasn't the biggest one in Middle Earth, just the most thoroughly described). Any good story makes sense to the uninitiated and will be judged by them on its merits alone, not by what else may have happened in that world that they don't know about anyway.

[Rorschachinstein]

The second is good enough for a film. Not sure about the first one.

People are gonna go bat**** when some chars die.

[Turian_punk_75]

Reorte wrote...

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

TBH, I'm not too keen on ME becoming a movie. It's better as a game. I with them luck with it and if and when it comes out, I shall pay money to see it. But unless it's amazingly written, acted, directed and not just a Michael Bay-esque explosion and camera-shake fest, then I'll leave the theatre shaking my head....

Very true for ME the game but an film using the ME universe but not based on the game (doesn't need to even be based on anything mentioned in the games) could be great.

True, I'd like to see that. Maybe with appearences from other characters (Jack, Tali or Garrus)

Maybe a TV series, not Live action but with CGI based on Garrus' adventures as a C-Sec officer on the Citadel, he comes across as a bit of a maverick detective so that would be a good idea also 

Modifié par Turian_punk_75, 06 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[Archangelfan]

First Contact War seems the most logical story for a movie - lots of technological advancement, rapid colonization, war with aliens,...

Ofc you could make a movie of Shepard's final battle against the Reapers, but it would ultimately upset half of the community (unless you want to make 2 versions of the movie, 1 involving male shepard, the playboyface with dumb voice, and 1 involving the Queen **** shepard, the uberfemale!) That could end up horribly wrong....

[Relief]

People should really stop with this nonsense. Only hardcore nerds are gonna be pissed off. Most people are gonna enjoy this movie (if its any good).

I dont see the problem. There are some serious people and companies involved with this and they sure dont make crap movies.

[RKB28]

 I will state the obvious yet again...


THE MOVIE WILL NOT BE CANON, BECAUSE THERE IS NO CANON IN MASS EFFECT GAMES, AND EVEN IF THERE WAS, THE SCRIPT ISN´T BEING WRITTEN BY A BIOWARE WRITER WITH A BIOWARE MANDATE.

And the "it´s not my Shepard "****ing is ridiculous...

Now that I got that out of the way, onto details.


- Don´t really know if this movie will really happen. I don´t see a ME1 film being made on the cheap(below 100 million), and looking decent. Geth,Krogan and salarian will require animatronics and small cgi so right there you have some issues. Turians will require some serious make-up work. Asari and humans are the cheapest and easy.
Then we get to locations/sets. Stuff like the Citadel won´t be cheap to make. And the cgi on this one, in terms of number and size can´t be cheap either.
Unless they throw atleast 150/180 million dolars on this one, this is gonna look like a "syfi original movie".

-if this goes ahead indeed, streamlining will be necessary. I can see main story missions being merged. Eden Prime and the Ilos/Citadel end run should be sacred, but Feros, Noveria and Virmire are probably be melded.I´m not even counting Therum because that one is gonna get cut for sure. My guess is that Liara will be found on another world.

-Casting will be a pretty tricky thing. They are going to need a lot of actors that don´t have problems with heay make-up, and in some cases get some guys that are ok with just being voice actors( Wrex´s case come to mind first).That being said, the secret is gonna be getting good actors that are cheap. 
Don´t really have any idea about the cast except this one:

http://media.tumblr....PJ4c1qgok2l.jpg


-The pr on this one must be top notch.





Honestly I think that ME1 movie would be extremely feasible if done with some quality assuarances.


A ME2 movie and a ME3 one? Now that is a much more  dificult task...

Modifié par RKB28, 13 janvier 2012 - 10:37 .

[AndroidV_2]

Thank God, a video game movie that will be VERY difficult to F*** up, just make sure to give us details as they become available

[Sundance31us]

AndroidV_2 wrote...
Thank God, a video game movie that will be VERY difficult to F*** up, just make sure to give us details as they become available

Well, what if you could only buy tickets for the movie online and download them via Origin.

I couldn't resist. :innocent:

[RKB28]

Sundance31us wrote...

AndroidV_2 wrote...
Thank God, a video game movie that will be VERY difficult to F*** up, just make sure to give us details as they become available

Well, what if you could only buy tickets for the movie online and download them via Origin.

I couldn't resist. :innocent:

Jesus bro, don´t give ideas to EA...

[Reorte]

RKB28 wrote...
And the "it´s not my Shepard "****ing is ridiculous...

Why is it? It's ridiculous to stoop to that tone because you disagree with someone.

Relief wrote...

People should really stop with this
nonsense. Only hardcore nerds are gonna be pissed off. Most people are
gonna enjoy this movie (if its any good)..

So? Why ****** off anyone when there are plenty of options that don't need to ****** of anyone and give the chance to create something new? Then everyone is happy (as long as, as you say, it's any good).

These "ignore the existing fans" posts make it sound like some people want a Uwe Boll film...

[RKB28]

Reorte wrote...

RKB28 wrote...
And the "it´s not my Shepard "****ing is ridiculous...

Why is it? It's ridiculous to stoop to that tone because you disagree with someone.

I find it ridiculous because they are exhbiting a very twisted sense of ownership. I understand that every person is proud of their Shepard because it´s their creation, their work. I can relate to that. And since there isn´t canon in Mass Effect games  I can, to a certain point ,agree with a more vigorous defense.

But to completly and utterly diss one idea because it simply does not adhere to every tenant of one´s "Shepard doctrine" is complete and utter nonsense.
Games with such maleable canon have a lot leeway. And it´s that maleability that allows people to create their own experience.
Basically people are dissing choice, the thing that they love the most.

Look, I´m not saying that this is going to be a Oscar winner and the one that beats Avatar as the most profitable movie ever. I just want to wait and see. I know that most video game movies are utter crap, but then again until this one proves to be part of the rule, I´ll think of it as the exception.

I´m willing to give it a chance. On the other hand some people are already dissing it for ****** poor reasons.

[Reorte]

Fair enough, and I'm also willing to give it a chance, I just don't think that it's the best idea for a film, and that's one of the reasons. Films of books often annoy due to their treatment of characters, and those are characters that the reader has no direct way of shaping. Presumably the character portrayal was accurate for the people who made the film. With a game, particularly an RPG, the scope for that sort of annoyal is a hundred times bigger. It's especially annoying when I don't see the need for it at all, when a completely new story set in the same universe could please everyone.

[RKB28]

Reorte wrote...

Fair enough, and I'm also willing to give it a chance, I just don't think that it's the best idea for a film, and that's one of the reasons. Films of books often annoy due to their treatment of characters, and those are characters that the reader has no direct way of shaping. Presumably the character portrayal was accurate for the people who made the film. With a game, particularly an RPG, the scope for that sort of annoyal is a hundred times bigger. It's especially annoying when I don't see the need for it at all, when a completely new story set in the same universe could please everyone.

Your example of books(and one could extend that to comic books) isn´t 100% accurate. Most of the times if you ask 100 diferent people about a character, it´s motivations and it´s actions, you´ll probably  get 20/30 diferent answers.
My point being that even static(with no variables in the mix) characters have are open to interpetation.
Not to say that there aren´t clear cut mistakes, there are, but most times people have multiple ideas about the same character.

I´m one of those guys that thinks that a First Contact War movie would be a lost oportunity. As good as it could be it would be a alien invasion movie, and the market every now and then spits one of those out.

And one based on the books is as unnecessary until you lay the foundations with the main trilogy.

But a movie based on the games, I honestly don´t see many of those. A world where the galaxy has been wide open. Dozens of races of aliens, almost  as many politic organizations/factions. Strong solid backstory betwenn factions.This is the kind of stuff tthat Stars Wars and Star Trek touched upon, but never in such complex form.

Yeah this has great potential to to be a royal screw up, but a part of me thinks that this could be incredible.

The only thing that I want to know is the level of involvment on Bioware´s end. Thor was a great comic book adaptation because Marvel was on top of their property. I hope that Bioware has nice level of input.

I hope that Zack Snyder gets the gig. The guy knows not to stray away from the source material in adaptations.



All this being said, I would gladly pay the price I pay for the games for a a animated min-series based on the ME games. That would be even better then a live action movie to me.

[Reorte]

RKB28 wrote...

Your example of books(and one could extend that to comic books) isn´t 100% accurate. Most of the times if you ask 100 diferent people about a character, it´s motivations and it´s actions, you´ll probably  get 20/30 diferent answers.
My point being that even static(with no variables in the mix) characters have are open to interpetation.
Not to say that there aren´t clear cut mistakes, there are, but most times people have multiple ideas about the same character.

That was exactly my point - even with a static character as in a book there are so many interpretations that it'll never be completely satisfying to anyone who's read the book. An RPG game character has the same problems but massively magnified due to not being static. It doesn't mean that a film will be bad, but for many people it won't be as good as it could've been because of this. It's also unimaginative - come up with something new for heaven's sake!

[Dr Pepper 23rd]

Any new info on Mass Effect - Paragon Lost IMDB has little

[RKB28]

Reorte wrote...

That was exactly my point - even with a static character as in a book there are so many interpretations that it'll never be completely satisfying to anyone who's read the book. An RPG game character has the same problems but massively magnified due to not being static. It doesn't mean that a film will be bad, but for many people it won't be as good as it could've been because of this. It's also unimaginative - come up with something new for heaven's sake!

My point is that you already are going to disapoint people even when you are portraying static haracters, then imagine when the characters you portray are up to personal choice!

And the unimaginative bit, when Mass Effect is full of various tropes is uncalled. Go to tvtropes.org and search for mass effect and you will se how derivative Mass Effect. But it´s this mix of diferent flavors that creates this incredible piece of fiction that we love. I would like very much to give a chance for it to be spread, and the movie is that chance. Don´t really know why, but games are still shunned as a medium of entertainment. I understand that there will never be the gaming equivalent of a "Million Dollar Baby", but the medium isn´t as shallow as some think. 

I see the movie as a worthwhile risk. If it´s good and brings more people to the games, awesome. If it´s a turd the games, books and comic books stand on their own and those who think that if the movie was bad so must the original be too are fools.


Just to inject some life in this thread, what  about some casting games?


Edit: And if they are fools, we should eat them!

Modifié par RKB28, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:49 .

[MJimiD]

All I have to say about Legendary producing the pic is, less Watchmen and more Ninja Assassin

Modifié par MJimiD, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:19 .

[CovertMcAnonymous]

This way they can make a trilogy if it sells.




Silverman wuz heer pushin da buton.

[crackodile]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

I hope it is better than other game to movie films...

i hope so too... *watches the hitman movie* OH GOD!!!!!

[Doctalen]

Silent hill was the best one I've seen in terms of sticking with the game. It deviated but that's understandable. The director (I think it was director) is a huge SH fan and kinda changed the film to what he wished they did with the games.