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[Heat Agni]

Grim_Phandango wrote...

This is just a general question, so forgive the off-topic nature of it, but...Did I play a different game than everyone else? I see people mention things like "choice" and "My Shepard" as if there were a number of radically different ways to play the game. The games follow the same plot regardless of player choices. Sure, some of the details vary, but it's more or less the same experience for everyone, so I don't get where this is notion that the game present anything more than the illusion of choice comes from.

No, you didn't play a different game.  It's just that people are under the impression that the outcomes of these choices are greater than they are.

Modifié par Heat Agni, 26 mai 2010 - 12:29 .

[Grim_Phandango]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

This is just a general question, so forgive the off-topic nature of it, but...Did I play a different game than everyone else? I see people mention things like "choice" and "My Shepard" as if there were a number of radically different ways to play the game. The games follow the same plot regardless of player choices. Sure, some of the details vary, but it's more or less the same experience for everyone, so I don't get where this is notion that the game present anything more than the illusion of choice comes from.

Yes, apparently, you did play a different game.

So in your Mass Effect, Shepard could just say, "**** it, I'm going home," and leave to spill drinks with Garrus and Jacob?  Or did he have to assemble a team, fight a bunch of baddies, make a heroic speech, and kill the boss?

Being a saint or a dick do not equal choice.  Having a few characters die if you happen to suck at the game is not a choice.  Telling you that you decisions impact the game's universe beyond a few lines of dialogue here and there is being disingenuous.  Every playthrough of Mass Effect ends the same way, and that conclusion is reached via the same means for every player.  That's not a bad thing, but to claim otherwise is... inaccurate.

[yoda23]

So, does the movie come out before or after ME3???



By the way I think a dark, disturbing, renegade ME movie is a GREAT idea!!! a la Dark Knight and 300...

[Karimloo]

I guess they'll just use Bioware's Shepard. Maybe even... Default.. Shepard.. God..



I would rather this movie be about like, the First Contact War, or the Morning War. Something that has nothing to do with Shepard, or the Normandy. Maybe a bit of Anderson. Sure why the hell not.



But Shepard is us, I'm gonna be pissed if Shepard does stuff that doesn't appeal to what I would have done. Just like the rest of you. Some of you might hate what he does. And Legendary Pictures isn't all that great. Their movies aren't too good. Also I say he, because I doubt they'll use FemShep. Then there's the Love interest problem, Ashley, Jack, Tali, Miranda, Samara, Liara, Kelly, possibly Kasumi, etc. There's too much choice, our choice, that's why anything Shepard related can't be done. There could be some reference, but nothing straight into Shep's story.

[Renul]

PLEASE: Do NOT make it about Shepard. Either before ME trilogy or after it. Expand the ME universe! Reveal more info on past lore, But, do not ruin the games by making it about Shepard.

[Sleekshinobi]

Grim_Phandango wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

I think its hilarious everyone is banking on it being based off the original Mass Effect game. Chances are its going to take place sometime after the Trilogy. That means its going to be original with a new cast of characters and a new plot.


I mean its fun to guess who they would cast to play current characters but I'm guessing it will not be about the current trilogy.

I'm going to assume that by "after the trilogy" you mean a continuation of the Mass Effect universe from that point, which would mean that the movie would be chock full of references to the game.  A game which a few million people have played and the vast majority of the movie going audience has not. Yeah, sure.

Mass Effect is not that well known.  I was speaking with some friends earlier about this news and only one of them had even heard of the game.  She thought is "the one about the guy in space with the frog monster and blue girl."  These are people in their mid-twenties, the target audience for Mass Effect, so don't expect the film to stray to far from what little awareness the general public has of it.

I second this, it wouldn't make sense for them to stray too far away from the target audience but at the same time, I understand that they would want to bring in people who aren't familiar with the series. I think that is generally whats so hard about making movies based off of games.

Most people (the fans) want it to be exactly like the game and they should realize that it can't always be that way. The movie has to stay true the story while at the same time add elements that will attract those people who aren't familiar with the franchise. There are very few directors out there who manage to accomplish this but I feel bioware has a great setup for this movie and I'm interested in seeing how it develops

[Paraxial]

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[Link Ashland 614]

I don't know, it could be good, but if it's about Shepard, forge about since they can make right 'cause of the games.

Know if it's about the First Contact War, it could work.

[Grim_Phandango]

Karimloo wrote...

I guess they'll just use Bioware's Shepard. Maybe even... Default.. Shepard.. God..

I would rather this movie be about like, the First Contact War, or the Morning War. Something that has nothing to do with Shepard, or the Normandy. Maybe a bit of Anderson. Sure why the hell not.

But Shepard is us, I'm gonna be pissed if Shepard does stuff that doesn't appeal to what I would have done. Just like the rest of you. Some of you might hate what he does. And Legendary Pictures isn't all that great. Their movies aren't too good. Also I say he, because I doubt they'll use FemShep. Then there's the Love interest problem, Ashley, Jack, Tali, Miranda, Samara, Liara, Kelly, possibly Kasumi, etc. There's too much choice, our choice, that's why anything Shepard related can't be done. There could be some reference, but nothing straight into Shep's story.

Yes, Default Shep is horrid, how dare they use the character anyone with a passing knowledge of the game would think is the PC. 

Love interest is easy.  Love triangle between Ashley, Shep, and Liara, with Liara winning out in the end.  If there is a sequel, then Miranda fits in nicely, as Shep's savior versus the now "cold and ruthless" Liara.

[*Kioux*]

Grim_Phandango wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

This is just a general question, so forgive the off-topic nature of it, but...Did I play a different game than everyone else? I see people mention things like "choice" and "My Shepard" as if there were a number of radically different ways to play the game. The games follow the same plot regardless of player choices. Sure, some of the details vary, but it's more or less the same experience for everyone, so I don't get where this is notion that the game present anything more than the illusion of choice comes from.

Yes, apparently, you did play a different game.

So in your Mass Effect, Shepard could just say, "**** it, I'm going home," and leave to spill drinks with Garrus and Jacob?  Or did he have to assemble a team, fight a bunch of baddies, make a heroic speech, and kill the boss?

Being a saint or a dick do not equal choice.  Having a few characters die if you happen to suck at the game is not a choice.  Telling you that you decisions impact the game's universe beyond a few lines of dialogue here and there is being disingenuous.  Every playthrough of Mass Effect ends the same way, and that conclusion is reached via the same means for every player.  That's not a bad thing, but to claim otherwise is... inaccurate.

Hmm... and I was under the impression that having to choose between A and B was a choice... 
Might not be big choices or something that alters the entire universe but for some people it is about the small things and the details. Additionally, some people actually tend to have some roleplaying thoughts when playing a roleplaying game... which leads to additional ideas about the created character. Hell, some people probably have an entire background story for their character... including the name of the dog their Shepards had as a child.
Does it have an impact on the actual game, no certainly not, but it does something to the feel of the game.

If you don't agree, so be it but the attempt to talk down on people who enjoy the elements of personal creativity combined with the gameplay is just superfluous.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

They have to make it about Shepard. I wanna see really badly Seth Green on the role of Joker, Keith David as Anderson and Yvonne as Miranda. MAKE IT NOW.



And also, Jack Shephard as John Shepard. I mean, Mathew Fox as Shepard. THE ISLAND DEMANDS IT!

[PARAGON87]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

They have to make it about Shepard. I wanna see really badly Seth Green on the role of Joker, Keith David as Anderson and Yvonne as Miranda. MAKE IT NOW.

QFT

[Mozer121]

www.imdb.com/title/tt1482455/

[Karimloo]

Grim_Phandango wrote...

Yes, Default Shep is horrid, how dare they use the character anyone with a passing knowledge of the game would think is the PC. 

Love interest is easy.  Love triangle between Ashley, Shep, and Liara, with Liara winning out in the end.  If there is a sequel, then Miranda fits in nicely, as Shep's savior versus the now "cold and ruthless" Liara.

You know why I took Tali as my LI?
Ashley, f*cked you, next game? Left your ass because of her beliefs, what you have done for her isn't as important than the Alliance.

Liara? Well.. She went batsh*t, she thinks finding the Shadow Broker is more important than helping her lover and best friend.

Tali? Stays true, comes with you, finishes her dying races errand quickly, and helps you.

Garrus? Kill a few mercs, joins you again.

Tali and Garrus, the only two, who should even be considered LI's. For either MaleShep or FemShep.
Don't get me started on Miranda, whom, you just met, betrays Jacob, egotistical, and where does she make love to you? In Tali's workplace.

[Chromie]

I think every actual actor who did a voice in the game should be in the movie. Keith David, Yvonne Strahovski, Seth Green...you get the idea. They should all be in the movie just because who else can play them?

[Heat Agni]

Kioux wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

This is just a general question, so forgive the off-topic nature of it, but...Did I play a different game than everyone else? I see people mention things like "choice" and "My Shepard" as if there were a number of radically different ways to play the game. The games follow the same plot regardless of player choices. Sure, some of the details vary, but it's more or less the same experience for everyone, so I don't get where this is notion that the game present anything more than the illusion of choice comes from.

Yes, apparently, you did play a different game.

So in your Mass Effect, Shepard could just say, "**** it, I'm going home," and leave to spill drinks with Garrus and Jacob?  Or did he have to assemble a team, fight a bunch of baddies, make a heroic speech, and kill the boss?

Being a saint or a dick do not equal choice.  Having a few characters die if you happen to suck at the game is not a choice.  Telling you that you decisions impact the game's universe beyond a few lines of dialogue here and there is being disingenuous.  Every playthrough of Mass Effect ends the same way, and that conclusion is reached via the same means for every player.  That's not a bad thing, but to claim otherwise is... inaccurate.

Hmm... and I was under the impression that having to choose between A and B was a choice... 
Might not be big choices or something that alters the entire universe but for some people it is about the small things and the details. Additionally, some people actually tend to have some roleplaying thoughts when playing a roleplaying game... which leads to additional ideas about the created character. Hell, some people probably have an entire background story for their character... including the name of the dog their Shepards had as a child.
Does it have an impact on the actual game, no certainly not, but it does something to the feel of the game.

If you don't agree, so be it but the attempt to talk down on people who enjoy the elements of personal creativity combined with the gameplay is just superfluous.

The problem comes from the part where those same people think that they trump the creators on the matter.

There's no harm in taking personal creativity to creepy levels, but there has to be some understanding that the setting in which you're do so with, doesn't belong to you (unless you happen to be the creator).

[Active_Download]

I was amazed that it actually happened; a Mass Effect movie! Looks promising, but if we all played our Shepards differently, made different choices and such then I don't know how it would roll. I like that First Contact War idea, but we'll see.

[PARAGON87]

Mozer121 wrote...

www.imdb.com/title/tt1482455/

2012 seems too soon for a movie just announced. 

I would think it would be available at the least, say December 20, 2012.  :innocent:

[Tashy78]

Gerard Butler is think as Shepard..... but CAN'T WAIT for the movie, hope they make it a trilogy like the game!

[Grim_Phandango]

Kioux wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

This is just a general question, so forgive the off-topic nature of it, but...Did I play a different game than everyone else? I see people mention things like "choice" and "My Shepard" as if there were a number of radically different ways to play the game. The games follow the same plot regardless of player choices. Sure, some of the details vary, but it's more or less the same experience for everyone, so I don't get where this is notion that the game present anything more than the illusion of choice comes from.

Yes, apparently, you did play a different game.

So in your Mass Effect, Shepard could just say, "**** it, I'm going home," and leave to spill drinks with Garrus and Jacob?  Or did he have to assemble a team, fight a bunch of baddies, make a heroic speech, and kill the boss?

Being a saint or a dick do not equal choice.  Having a few characters die if you happen to suck at the game is not a choice.  Telling you that you decisions impact the game's universe beyond a few lines of dialogue here and there is being disingenuous.  Every playthrough of Mass Effect ends the same way, and that conclusion is reached via the same means for every player.  That's not a bad thing, but to claim otherwise is... inaccurate.

Hmm... and I was under the impression that having to choose between A and B was a choice... 
Might not be big choices or something that alters the entire universe but for some people it is about the small things and the details. Additionally, some people actually tend to have some roleplaying thoughts when playing a roleplaying game... which leads to additional ideas about the created character. Hell, some people probably have an entire background story for their character... including the name of the dog their Shepards had as a child.
Does it have an impact on the actual game, no certainly not, but it does something to the feel of the game.

If you don't agree, so be it but the attempt to talk down on people who enjoy the elements of personal creativity combined with the gameplay is just superfluous.

I would agree, but let's be honest, the choices here aren't A or B.  They aren't Apples or Oranges.  They are red apples and green apples.  Sure, they look different, but at the end of the day they are both still apples.  Again, there is nothing wrong with this, but I take issue with the fact that Bioware touted the choices you make as truly game changing, and that some fans continue to propogate that nonsense.

I loved Mass Effect 2, it was my game of the year up until last week, but all the "hard choices" Bioware claimed we would have more to do with screwing up during gameplay than to dramatic license.

I'm sorry if you feel as though I'm talking down to people.  I don't mean to, so please forgive me.

[rinoe]

Sleekshinobi wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

I think its hilarious everyone is banking on it being based off the original Mass Effect game. Chances are its going to take place sometime after the Trilogy. That means its going to be original with a new cast of characters and a new plot.


I mean its fun to guess who they would cast to play current characters but I'm guessing it will not be about the current trilogy.

I'm going to assume that by "after the trilogy" you mean a continuation of the Mass Effect universe from that point, which would mean that the movie would be chock full of references to the game.  A game which a few million people have played and the vast majority of the movie going audience has not. Yeah, sure.

Mass Effect is not that well known.  I was speaking with some friends earlier about this news and only one of them had even heard of the game.  She thought is "the one about the guy in space with the frog monster and blue girl."  These are people in their mid-twenties, the target audience for Mass Effect, so don't expect the film to stray to far from what little awareness the general public has of it.

I second this, it wouldn't make sense for them to stray too far away from the target audience but at the same time, I understand that they would want to bring in people who aren't familiar with the series. I think that is generally whats so hard about making movies based off of games.

Most people (the fans) want it to be exactly like the game and they should realize that it can't always be that way. The movie has to stay true the story while at the same time add elements that will attract those people who aren't familiar with the franchise. There are very few directors out there who manage to accomplish this but I feel bioware has a great setup for this movie and I'm interested in seeing how it develops

There is the other side of this problem.
The movie could be great advertise to te ME games, but what the point to play the game when you already seen the story and you know the end? It is just boring and it is a basic  problem of the games based on the movies.And it is a problem of movies based on the games.

And the fans here don't want the story of Sheprad ( I don't want to) bcs:
1. I already know the strory by heart.
2. I have my own custom Shepard, LI of my choice and my ow illusion of choices in the main story.
3. The crew have already their faces and voices. Try to change it!

So, in my opinion, the best way is to make a great movie in ME Universe and left Shepard to the game. Then ppl will have double fun. And the movie MUST be great, bcs if not, that blows everything away.

[Grim_Phandango]

Heat Agni wrote...

Kioux wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...

This is just a general question, so forgive the off-topic nature of it, but...Did I play a different game than everyone else? I see people mention things like "choice" and "My Shepard" as if there were a number of radically different ways to play the game. The games follow the same plot regardless of player choices. Sure, some of the details vary, but it's more or less the same experience for everyone, so I don't get where this is notion that the game present anything more than the illusion of choice comes from.

Yes, apparently, you did play a different game.

So in your Mass Effect, Shepard could just say, "**** it, I'm going home," and leave to spill drinks with Garrus and Jacob?  Or did he have to assemble a team, fight a bunch of baddies, make a heroic speech, and kill the boss?

Being a saint or a dick do not equal choice.  Having a few characters die if you happen to suck at the game is not a choice.  Telling you that you decisions impact the game's universe beyond a few lines of dialogue here and there is being disingenuous.  Every playthrough of Mass Effect ends the same way, and that conclusion is reached via the same means for every player.  That's not a bad thing, but to claim otherwise is... inaccurate.

Hmm... and I was under the impression that having to choose between A and B was a choice... 
Might not be big choices or something that alters the entire universe but for some people it is about the small things and the details. Additionally, some people actually tend to have some roleplaying thoughts when playing a roleplaying game... which leads to additional ideas about the created character. Hell, some people probably have an entire background story for their character... including the name of the dog their Shepards had as a child.
Does it have an impact on the actual game, no certainly not, but it does something to the feel of the game.

If you don't agree, so be it but the attempt to talk down on people who enjoy the elements of personal creativity combined with the gameplay is just superfluous.

The problem comes from the part where those same people think that they trump the creators on the matter.

There's no harm in taking personal creativity to creepy levels, but there has to be some understanding that the setting in which you're do so with, doesn't belong to you (unless you happen to be the creator).

I like you Agni.  You make sense, and that is a rare virtue on the internet.

[Maj.Pain007]

Grim_Phandango wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

I think its hilarious everyone is banking on it being based off the original Mass Effect game. Chances are its going to take place sometime after the Trilogy. That means its going to be original with a new cast of characters and a new plot.


I mean its fun to guess who they would cast to play current characters but I'm guessing it will not be about the current trilogy.

I'm going to assume that by "after the trilogy" you mean a continuation of the Mass Effect universe from that point, which would mean that the movie would be chock full of references to the game.  A game which a few million people have played and the vast majority of the movie going audience has not. Yeah, sure.

Mass Effect is not that well known.  I was speaking with some friends earlier about this news and only one of them had even heard of the game.  She thought is "the one about the guy in space with the frog monster and blue girl."  These are people in their mid-twenties, the target audience for Mass Effect, so don't expect the film to stray to far from what little awareness the general public has of it.

I expect there to be references but it will not be about the trilogy.

[Bugsie]

Karimloo wrote...

I guess they'll just use Bioware's Shepard. Maybe even... Default.. Shepard.. God..

I would rather this movie be about like, the First Contact War, or the Morning War. Something that has nothing to do with Shepard, or the Normandy. Maybe a bit of Anderson. Sure why the hell not.

But Shepard is us, I'm gonna be pissed if Shepard does stuff that doesn't appeal to what I would have done. Just like the rest of you. Some of you might hate what he does. And Legendary Pictures isn't all that great. Their movies aren't too good. Also I say he, because I doubt they'll use FemShep. Then there's the Love interest problem, Ashley, Jack, Tali, Miranda, Samara, Liara, Kelly, possibly Kasumi, etc. There's too much choice, our choice, that's why anything Shepard related can't be done. There could be some reference, but nothing straight into Shep's story.

As someone who primarliy has played with a femshep - any movie is going to be a let down after my experience with the game.  I do like the idea of setting a movie in the ME universe though - its open then to a range of characters we like that are not necessarily subject to our gameplay or "our Shep".

[kyle924]

Commander Shadow wrote...

It’s bad enough that I have to wait on ME3, but now they’re making a MASS EFFECT MOVIE. What are they trying to do? Kill me with all the waiting I have to do?

The movie HAS to be based Before the first game. It would be completely idiotic to make a movie based on the 1st and 2nd games and even dumber for to be based after the 2nd game.

The first Contact War is the best choice for the movie.

I'll agree with you there, but wouldn't the producers stay true to shepard's role in this trilogy rather than make an ME origin movie? I'm not saying it's wrong; however, there would be complications.