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[rinoe]

kyle924 wrote...

It makes me wonder how they're going to make the movie if Shepard ends up being the main character. What paragon/renegade choices will be made? Will they only make the main missions? Who will die - Wrex, Kaidan, and/or Ashley? What ending will they create?...

That is very intresting question. And important.
For me -  Wrex must survive.

[Carnifex Nob]

I don't want shep to be involved in the story, i like the idea of the contact wars. rachni wars would also be cool, but the lack of any humans might be unappealing to some people that dont play ME

[*Kioux*]

Heat Agni wrote...

The problem comes from the part where those same people think that they trump the creators on the matter.

There's no harm in taking personal creativity to creepy levels, but there has to be some understanding that the setting in which you're do so with, doesn't belong to you (unless you happen to be the creator).

I don't think anyone has claimed to trump the creators, as you put it. Most people have simply expressed their opinions about the differences between their gameplay experience and the possible movie story (if it depicts the same story as the games). It's really not so much different from a book being turned into a movie - some people will like the outcome and some won't.

BioWare and whoever else has a say in the movie will do what they want - one way or another. However, a thread like this is offering people to voice their opinions and that they have - why one opinion is supposed to be so much better than another, or is more true than another... is beyond me.

Grim_Phandango wrote...

I would agree, but let's be honest, the choices here aren't A or B.  They aren't Apples or Oranges.  They are red apples and green apples.  Sure, they look different, but at the end of the day they are both still apples.  Again, there is nothing wrong with this, but I take issue with the fact that Bioware touted the choices you make as truly game
changing, and that some fans continue to propogate that nonsense.

I loved Mass Effect 2, it was my game of the year up until last week, but all the "hard choices" Bioware claimed we would have more to do with screwing up during gameplay than to dramatic license.

I'm sorry if you feel as though I'm talking down to people.  I don't mean to, so please forgive me.

As I said before, the changes, no matter how small they are, will still alter the experience on some level. Maybe you are someone who doesn't care much about the small things but to some people it's good enough and it adds details to their gameplay.
I personally would have liked to see deeper and more severe choices within the game, just as I would have liked to see more RP in general but I still noticed the slight changes with my different playthroughs.
Who knows, maybe the entire impact will come in ME3 - maybe we'll be surprised about the hard choices... I'd like to see it. Until then however, I have my doubts about a generic Shepard movie...

I apologize for the wall of text again as I apologize for the delay and the possibly little sense... it's very late for me... here's a generic excuse. However I will not continue to fight a losing battle... so you all have a lovely night and an incredible argument - may you find joy in it. 

[iisan7]

Grim_Phandango wrote...
Let's be realistic here.  Tali is a faceless alien who can't take off here helmet.  Imagine the hell on boards like this that would erupt should they put a face on the Quarians that fans disagree with.  Tali's romance in the game is fansevice at its most blatent.  Miranda makes more sense in every way.  Moreover, this is Hollywood.  Buxom bombshells trump nerdy girls every day of the week.

I don't know though... they created this thing, the sooner we just see a Quarian face and get on with it, the better... the art book showed a face anyway, and I'm fine with whatever they do, I think this is silly, fans should be able to accept it, esp. given that they got the romance they wanted (myself included, although I didn't fulfill it in-game because it seemed pretty selfish, it was nice that we could finally flirt).

[insane12]

As long as Seth green and Brendon keener reprise there roles im more then happy for this movie. Really no one can do there roles better then them.

[iisan7]

The Spamming Troll wrote...
basically i want real actors, real CG, and real biotics. that right there is enough to make an ok if not just a good movie. hopefully itll be great.

I am with you on the real biotics part, dammit. Where do those come from.

[Grim_Phandango]

iisan7 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...
Let's be realistic here.  Tali is a faceless alien who can't take off here helmet.  Imagine the hell on boards like this that would erupt should they put a face on the Quarians that fans disagree with.  Tali's romance in the game is fansevice at its most blatent.  Miranda makes more sense in every way.  Moreover, this is Hollywood.  Buxom bombshells trump nerdy girls every day of the week.

I don't know though... they created this thing, the sooner we just see a Quarian face and get on with it, the better... the art book showed a face anyway, and I'm fine with whatever they do, I think this is silly, fans should be able to accept it, esp. given that they got the romance they wanted (myself included, although I didn't fulfill it in-game because it seemed pretty selfish, it was nice that we could finally flirt).

The only alien romance is going to be with something that looks virtually human.  Liara makes more sense, and Tali is basically Liara with funny legs.  I hope Bioware trolls the hell out of fans by making Quarians hideous spider monsters or something.  If they turn out to be space elves, I'll be deeply diappointed.  I expect to be disappointed.

[Romantiq]

As long as there will be a juicy lesbo asari scene in it. 

Modifié par Romantiq, 26 mai 2010 - 01:32 .

[freskione]

I think its going to be interesting how they work this one out. Renegade or Paragon? Soldier or Vanguard or Infiltrator etc etc or a bit of all of the above? Who will play Saren? And plezzzzz, if Christian Bale plays Shepard, as is rumored already, I'll have to shot myself ggggrrr. Will we have to sit through scanning planets for ore we can't even sell? (oh wait, thats ME2, guess we'll have to wait til the sequel to know) I want see a female Shepard but that won't happen in the boys club. Lets hope Shepard does a better job at handling that damn Mako up those mountains than I did!

[Romantiq]

Yeah. I don't care if Seth Green's eye lashes look queer. He would make a fine joker.

[Sleekshinobi]

freskione wrote...

I think its going to be interesting how they work this one out. Renegade or Paragon? Soldier or Vanguard or Infiltrator etc etc or a bit of all of the above? Who will play Saren? And plezzzzz, if Christian Bale plays Shepard, as is rumored already, I'll have to shot myself ggggrrr. Will we have to sit through scanning planets for ore we can't even sell? (oh wait, thats ME2, guess we'll have to wait til the sequel to know) I want see a female Shepard but that won't happen in the boys club. Lets hope Shepard does a better job at handling that damn Mako up those mountains than I did!

lmao a fine rant indeed

[Bellsprout]

Comments I've picked up from this that I agree with.

Seth green as Joker - YES

First Contact War - YES

Shepard - NO

Just to throw out my oppinion

[Kaz Hiryu]

As other people have stated; FIRST CONTACT WAR! Stay away from ME1/ME2 game content and any fan service.

[iisan7]

Grim_Phandango wrote...
The only alien romance is going to be with something that looks virtually human.  Liara makes more sense, and Tali is basically Liara with funny legs.  I hope Bioware trolls the hell out of fans by making Quarians hideous spider monsters or something.  If they turn out to be space elves, I'll be deeply diappointed.  I expect to be disappointed.

Meh, I'm sure they have paper bags in the future.
Slightly more possible is that Bioware trolls fans by making Tali die from an infection she contracts from Shepard in ME3. That would be epic lulz to hear about on the boards.

Modifié par iisan7, 26 mai 2010 - 01:44 .

[sodacatkun]

in MEM the mako drives you

[sodacatkun]

Bellsprout wrote...

Comments I've picked up from this that I agree with.
Seth green as Joker - YES
First Contact War - YES
Shepard - NO
Just to throw out my oppinion

joker wouldnt be in it then if it was bout the FCW would he?

[Lone_Raptur3]

How is the story going to work?  Their is an infinite number of combinations for each individual mission.  Having only the main story of Mass Effect only is inconcievable.  You can't have the main story without the side-stories. 

[TudorWolf]

Whatever else keep Shep out of it. Having Shep in the film for anything other than a non-visual non gender specific reference would ruin it for a lot of people. Coz let's be fair, Shep is personal to each person who played the game, and it's those people who'll be there in numbers to see it.



Also, I really don't see the appeal of the first contact war, because despite it's name it wasn't a war. The Turians attack a scout vessel, then "occupy" Shanxi from orbit for like a month or two, until the second fleet evicts them. That's it. Wouldn't be very interesting for a feature length film imo

[Heat Agni]

Kioux wrote...
I don't think anyone has claimed to trump the creators, as you put it. Most people have simply expressed their opinions about the differences between their gameplay experience and the possible movie story (if it depicts the same story as the games). It's really not so much different from a book being turned into a movie - some people will like the outcome and some won't.

BioWare and whoever else has a say in the movie will do what they want - one way or another. However, a thread like this is offering people to voice their opinions and that they have - why one opinion is supposed to be so much better than another, or is more true than another... is beyond me.

I'm talking about stuff like throwing around lines like 'But Shepard is supposed to be ME and about MY choices!' and generally acting as though it's a horrible transgression that BioWare has their own opinion, which contrary to popular belief, is more valid than a fan's.

Hell, it's not even an opinion in BioWare's case.  It's a fact.

Although I know if Casey Hudson came straight out and said 'Vanderloo Shepard is canon Shepard', people would disregard it anyway.  Such is the disgusting nature of the fans.

Grim_Phandango wrote...
The only alien romance is going to be with something that looks virtually human.  Liara makes more sense, and Tali is basically Liara with funny legs.  I hope Bioware trolls the hell out of fans by making Quarians hideous spider monsters or something.  If they turn out to be space elves, I'll be deeply diappointed.  I expect to be disappointed.

I'll love her even if she has eight eyes, mandibles and a mouthful of sharp fangs.

I just won't let her face get near my junk.

Modifié par Heat Agni, 26 mai 2010 - 01:47 .

[Sksteelers]

they should make it from one of the books

[Grim_Phandango]

iisan7 wrote...

Grim_Phandango wrote...
The only alien romance is going to be with something that looks virtually human.  Liara makes more sense, and Tali is basically Liara with funny legs.  I hope Bioware trolls the hell out of fans by making Quarians hideous spider monsters or something.  If they turn out to be space elves, I'll be deeply diappointed.  I expect to be disappointed.

Meh, I'm sure they have paper bags in the future.
Slightly more possible is that Bioware trolls fans by making Tali die from an infection she contracts from Shepard in ME3. That would be epic lulz to hear about on the boards.

I actually think Bioware included a reference to some Quarians calling for Tali to be an admiral as a way to keep her in the story but take her out of the party, at least at some point in the game.  I'd wager it's almost a sure thing that' she'll be back, but i hope it's in a non-party capacity.

[DaBigDragon]

If Bioware is smart, this movie will not be about Shepard. It'll probably come out after Mass Effect 3 and have a whole new slew of characters with a new story set in the ME universe. Shepard may be mentioned, but not shown.

[Romantiq]

Heat Agni wrote...

Kioux wrote...
I don't think anyone has claimed to trump the creators, as you put it. Most people have simply expressed their opinions about the differences between their gameplay experience and the possible movie story (if it depicts the same story as the games). It's really not so much different from a book being turned into a movie - some people will like the outcome and some won't.

BioWare and whoever else has a say in the movie will do what they want - one way or another. However, a thread like this is offering people to voice their opinions and that they have - why one opinion is supposed to be so much better than another, or is more true than another... is beyond me.

I'm talking about stuff like throwing around lines like 'But Shepard is supposed to be ME and about MY choices!' and generally acting as though it's a horrible transgression that BioWare has their own opinion, which contrary to popular belief, is more valid than a fan's.

Hell, it's not even an opinion in BioWare's case.  It's a fact.


Although I know if Casey Hudson came straight out and said 'Vanderloo Shepard is canon Shepard', people would disregard it anyway.  Such is the disgusting nature of the fans.

Grim_Phandango wrote...
The only alien romance is going to be with something that looks virtually human.  Liara makes more sense, and Tali is basically Liara with funny legs.  I hope Bioware trolls the hell out of fans by making Quarians hideous spider monsters or something.  If they turn out to be space elves, I'll be deeply diappointed.  I expect to be disappointed.

I'll love her even if she has eight eyes, mandibles and a mouthful of sharp fangs.

I just won't let her face get near my junk.

Would you love her if she looked like this?

Modifié par Romantiq, 26 mai 2010 - 01:56 .

[Grim_Phandango]

Heat Agni wrote...

Kioux wrote...
I don't think anyone has claimed to trump the creators, as you put it. Most people have simply expressed their opinions about the differences between their gameplay experience and the possible movie story (if it depicts the same story as the games). It's really not so much different from a book being turned into a movie - some people will like the outcome and some won't.

BioWare and whoever else has a say in the movie will do what they want - one way or another. However, a thread like this is offering people to voice their opinions and that they have - why one opinion is supposed to be so much better than another, or is more true than another... is beyond me.

I'm talking about stuff like throwing around lines like 'But Shepard is supposed to be ME and about MY choices!' and generally acting as though it's a horrible transgression that BioWare has their own opinion, which contrary to popular belief, is more valid than a fan's.

Hell, it's not even an opinion in BioWare's case.  It's a fact.

Although I know if Casey Hudson came straight out and said 'Vanderloo Shepard is canon Shepard', people would disregard it anyway.  Such is the disgusting nature of the fans.

Grim_Phandango wrote...
The only alien romance is going to be with something that looks virtually human.  Liara makes more sense, and Tali is basically Liara with funny legs.  I hope Bioware trolls the hell out of fans by making Quarians hideous spider monsters or something.  If they turn out to be space elves, I'll be deeply diappointed.  I expect to be disappointed.

I'll love her even if she has eight eyes, mandibles and a mouthful of sharp fangs.

I just won't let her face get near my junk.

To the first part, as I mentioned in an earlier post, if Bioware really wanted to keep Shep from having a canonical appearence, they would have given him a helmet in the promotional media.  This is fact, people need to accept it and move on.

As to the second:  eww.  That's...that's just...it's too far man, just too far.  I hate spiders.  They are the ****s to my Anne Frank.

edit: I can't say n-a-z-i ?  That's asinine.

Modifié par Grim_Phandango, 26 mai 2010 - 01:56 .

[iisan7]

Grim_Phandango wrote...
I actually think Bioware included a reference to some Quarians calling for Tali to be an admiral as a way to keep her in the story but take her out of the party, at least at some point in the game.  I'd wager it's almost a sure thing that' she'll be back, but i hope it's in a non-party capacity.

It will be cool if this part depends on your actions in ME2 during her loyalty quest. That one engendered a fair amount of avenues to success and variability in outcome.

And I was thinking about it, and the asari are probably the ugliest-- I think they mess with the minds of those who view them so that they look attractive (based on the hints dropped in the bachelor party conversation on illium). They're really probably just big bipedal slugs.