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[Dan the Man with a Plan]

Starscream723 wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

WTF does it matter if this movie revolves around Shepard. There is NO canon Shepard, and even if the movie would be about Shepard it will just be a canon to MOVIE Shepard, not a Shepard one plays on his computer. Though I support movie that is about something else than Shepard, even movie (if its well done) is based on the games it would satisfy me as I dont care what are the origins of movie Shepard as long as story is good and it is faithfull to ME universe. I would consider it just one possibility of Shepards origins. It might be different from my "canon" Shepard but does it really matter a rats arse? Geez, some people should get out more and not be so self centered about their own characters...

Yeah, this has been pointed out many times by many people... people just don't get it. To them, any Shepard appearing in the movie somehow takes on the title of "Canon" Shepard, and they take it as a personal insult. As though the movie's existence is somehow saying "Look, YOUR story doesn't count". Of course that's nonsense.

They have twelve different Shepards of their own, each with their own backgrounds. Someone wants to share a different one in the form of a movie? TREASON!

So we get lots of people wanting movies about the First Contact War or something else that they can fit into their own Shepard's canon. Of course, this means if the movie sucks, we've all got a sucky movie as part of the official backstory. Whereas a retelling of ME1 is CLEARLY outside of continuity, an alternate version, and whether it is great or it sucks, it still has no bearing on our own games. So the people who are being so protective of their own Shepards are actually endorsing an option that could have MORE of an effect on our individual stories. Ironic, no?

But yeah, you can point out the obvious as much as you want... people will still rant about how it spits in the face of the choices they made, and is some ridiculous conspiracy to overwrite their individual stories, blah blah blah.

*shrug*

THis makes perfect sense to me I'm just hoping for It to be good and not change too much.

[bandfred]

Here's my setup (inspired by suggestions of other posters):

1) Opening -> the end of the first Council meeting will basically be the same as in the game except shorter
2) Told by Anderson where Garrus is and recruit him -> shootout at Chora's Den -> rescue Tali (scene with squadies rushing through a multiracial crowd of many different aliens)
3) Second meeting with Council, Shepard becomes Spectre -> recruit Wrex at elevator
4) Shortened Therum (Liara recruited)
5) Noveria (complete with Rachni decision, Benezia gives OSD and Cypher)
6) Final meeting with Council -> lock up -> meeting with Conrad Verner -> escape
7) Ilos combined with Virmire somewhat (Kaidan or Ashley dies, maybe Kirrahe and his STG squad comes along, meeting with Vigil);
8) Battle of the Citadel (Council rescued, Anderson is councilor choice)

Modifié par bandfred, 26 mai 2010 - 11:04 .

[Fromyou]

how can you make a mass effect movie? if you choose shepards actions. What will the movie pause and the audience votes on the action done?

[Starscream723]

Fromyou wrote...

how can you make a mass effect movie? if you choose shepards actions. What will the movie pause and the audience votes on the action done?

No. That's the game. The movie is the one where they make up a fun story, and you just watch it to see what they do.

[-Skorpious-]

Starscream723 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

My concern isn't that a movie Shepard would be considered "canon"; my concern is that condensing ME's plot, characters, and atmosphere into a mere two hours would be a disservice to fans of the games.
I can how it would appeal to the average movie-goer, but still, two hours is not nearly enough time to produce a work that would do the original game justice.

It would be hard to get a feel for the whole ME-verse, that's for sure. I expect that whatever the plot, based on ME1 or not, most of the window-dressing that adds the detail that makes the world so real will be left out. We'll probably get a couple of Hanar and Elcor standing in the background for a scene on the Citadel, and that's it. None of the fun chats or backstory. That kind of thing.

You'd probably have to condense and merge some of the key moments too... snip

That actually sounds like an interesting movie adaption of the game (or at least as close to the game as a movie can get). 

[Grittygreenhorn]

The reasons behind NOT involving the Shepherd character goes far beyond selfish desires of players. Some have written it could be done, but should it be done? This movie should not be an exercise for the movie producers to see if they can make a game adaptation, it should be about breathing MORE LIFE into the ME universe. Stories survive on their re-readability and this argument about Shepherd is a red herring. It does not matter if each player's Shepherd is unique or not, this is about expanding the storyline of ME. Therefore, the repetition of the Shepherd story, which is already being told in the games, would be insulting to the fans and stagnate the franchise.

[Weltenschlange]

Oh dear...

[HoustonUnited]

Totally Awesome    Seth Green needs to be Joker   Laurence Fishburne would be a good Capt. Anderson how about Mila Kunis as Ashley Sam Worthington would make a good Commander Shepard.  For Director they need to get either Peter Jackson or Neill Blomkamp. For ME2 they have to have Martin Sheen, Yvonne Strahovski

[iisan7]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
No portrayal of Shepard will be Shepard in the eyes of the audience.  Just because *you* might like the idea, doesn't mean it's a good one.  Look at the number of people here that get up in arms over the concept of a 'canon' Shepard.  In fact, go ahead over to the spoiler section and propose the idea, watch how fast you go down in flames.  

There's a reason the novels don't even mention Shepard.  They don't want to invalidate the ideal of Shepard that their audience has created.  They didn't do it then, and unless they want to ****** off their fans, they won't do it here either.

You're on to something here -- but whereas the books are for the fans, read by fans pretty much only, and can make money that way... the movie is not  foremost for fans. While I think that they won't want to alienate anyone, I don't think their main concern is pleasing the fans per se. So I think everyone should be ready to see an on-screen Shepard, because that story is already written, and it's pretty good, and very accessible, with a clear hero, a clear villain, and some good plot twists, and has tested well (to over a million gamers)... even if we the fans mostly agree that we'd like a new experience from the world of the games.

[saadnq]

awesome xD

[Forsakerr]

i hope it wont be another Doom,Max Payne or another game movie fiasco they tend to be (i cant remember the other ones that sucked big time)

[iisan7]

Fromyou wrote...

how can you make a mass effect movie? if you choose shepards actions. What will the movie pause and the audience votes on the action done?

Someone in this thread a looong way ago suggested on-screen choices as an option on the blu-ray =)

[x-pan]

Finally... 

Looking forward to it. However, if it includes Shepard in any form or gentre, it will spoil the Mass Effect Universe one way or another...

Maybe they'll base it in one of the Mass Effect books; probably the Retribution novell, me thinks. This way the movie can promote the upcoming ME3 to the fans.

Just speculating here, personally I'd watch them all if they were to make a trilogy. 

Modifié par x-pan, 26 mai 2010 - 11:47 .

[massranger]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

massranger wrote...

Ok, for those that think you should not include Shep:

Just because they go a certain direction with Shep doesn't mean it would impact your game, or the Story you created. If you played a certain way, and made your Shep a certain way, then it might be interesting to see someone elses take on Shep. We might see how the people at Bioware play Shep when they play, or see the way the screenwriter played. They can change just enough of the original story to make it great for everyone, even people that played in multiple ways.

look at the new star trek movie... was a good movie, and they kept a very similar storyline as the original, but changed how the characters got to where they eventually ended up. Whats not to say that do something similar here? I think Shep at the very least should have cameo, if not a larger part.

No portrayal of Shepard will be Shepard in the eyes of the audience.  Just because *you* might like the idea, doesn't mean it's a good one.  Look at the number of people here that get up in arms over the concept of a 'canon' Shepard.  In fact, go ahead over to the spoiler section and propose the idea, watch how fast you go down in flames. 

There's a reason the novels don't even mention Shepard.  They don't want to invalidate the ideal of Shepard that their audience has created.  They didn't do it then, and unless they want to ****** off their fans, they won't do it here either.

valid points, however it doesn't mean it won't happen, and if it does happen people (ME fans) can't count out the movie because of what they think should happen didn't.  if it happens they include shep it should still be looked at with an open mind, and take it for what is is... a movie that is meant to entertain.  It should be looked at the with the standards of a "good movie," not a "good video game movie," and if it is a good movie then people should not dwell on the fact that it does not fall in line with their shep.  

When the movie is finally done if people walk away feeling like the movie invalidated their gaming experience, they need to remind themself that it is a video game that is meant to entertain, and they can still enjoy the ensuing games regardless of what happens in the movie.   

Personally I think they can make a good movie either way, and I don't care which way they do it, and I will see it either way, because Bioware was a part of it, and they have yet to disappoint.  Like I said before I would like to see at least a cameo from shep, and i won't be mad if he has different haircut, or a different color eyes as the shep I made. 

Also the people that say it has to have shep should not be ridiculed, it's just their opinion.   

[Haggard 511]

This is my first post. I hate this idea. That is all.

[Keith Mattingly]

For me, I think it currently shows promise seeing as may turn out good from the "cinematic feel" in the ME games, and the thing that Casey and a couple of other Bioware developers are working on it, so it could turn out good. If the movie like the games revolves around Commander Shepard, I think Sam Worthington, who played Jake Sully in Avatar would be a good actor for Shepard. Plus, some of the aliens would have to be either CGI rendered or the use of make up design.

[Grittygreenhorn]

I think we need a poll:



Should the Mass Effect Movie include Shepherd?



-Yes



-No

[Eternal Density]

Here's another wacky idea:
Have mShep as the hero... but follow Ashley Williams as the main character. (That is, the focus and POV tends to follow her role in the story more than the other characters, it doesn't mean the story actually changes at all.)
Why?  Shepard is a hero at the beginning, continues to be heroic throughout the story, and is a hero at the end.  That's fine and we'd still see plenty of that, but Ash has the more interesting story of starting off on Eden Prime (where the beacon will be uncovered and we see it for the first time) having never seen an alien, then being attacked by Geth, losing her squad and meeting Shepard.  Then she has to deal with meeting and working with increasingly more aliens over the course of the movie (helping underscore the 'working with other cultures is good' theme) and then has to deal with the survivor's guilt when Kaidan dies.  (or totally out of left field, have her the main character until Virmire and then kill her off!!! *gasp*).  Of course, that character arc should still be covered to some degree even if she isn't made the main character.
The benefit of this idea is that we get a female main character And a male hero which might keep more people happy/interested than a male hero with a female subordinate as a secondary character.  The big problem with this idea is that Ash is a very minor character in the sequel, so it would have to revert to Shepard as the main character (that could go with killing Ashley off dramatically at Virmire ) or make Miranda the main focus (which would probably upset even more people...)

Just a wacky idea, I don't really expect that to happen.

Now, some things that can be shown in the movie that we missed out on in the game:
1. Inside the Mako.  Part of the boredom of the Mako was that the characters were inside but the camera wasn't, which depersonalised that part of the game a lot.  We had better get to see what it looks like and more importantly see and hear the characters as they drive/tumble around and blow stuff up.
2. The Commander commanding the Normandy.   In the game you just select stuff on the galaxy map and one or two standard cutscenes later, you're there.  And why you can walk around and talk to people it doesn't really feel like you're in command.  In the movie we should see Shepard give orders to Joker to go places.
3. Speaking of the galaxy map, it should have more use than just a pretty hologram.  Perhaps when Shepard chooses a location (which will display the codex entry in the air above it!) it will relay the coordinates to Joker (but Shepard will still speak to Joker about the destination too, see above)
4. More varied visuals for power usage: in the game, using a biotic or tech ability looks the same every time because it's procedural.  In a movie they can actually vary colours (not to much!) and power levels and trajectories as appropriate rather than having to use stock animations for everything.
5. Obviously planets will be more detailed and distinguished
6. Background characters can be more organic, rather than just standing still or sitting down typing or suchlike.
7. On the topic of holograms, they had better look amazing!  Because we know they can.
8. I kinda mentioned this previously but it bears repeating: The squad limit of 2 will be dropped (though that doesn't necessarily mean everyone will tag along everywhere) and squad interactions and orders can be a lot more varied.  And because we can have more squad members fighting (likely splitting into separate fireteams) we can have a lot more enemies to fight!  Also because they won't have the same rendering limit.
9. The graphics of the Mass Effect 1 movie will look FAR better than the graphics of the Mass Effect 2 game.
10. Powers and weapons will probably be adjusted so they are consistent across all the movies (they had especially better avoid the 'all weapons in the galaxy were replaced with lame ones requiring heatsinks to be replaced, in the span of 2 years' issue.

BTW we don't need to worry about who will play Miranda until the sequel - unless they give her a cameo in the first one...

[edit] Perhaps a submessage of the movie could be 'bureaucracy is annoying'...
Anyhow, they'd better make Shepard a fully heroic character and not give him some sort of confidence crisis or character trial.  His character conflict should arise from the difficulty of making all of his team - which he really needs in order to stop Saren in time - to get along and work well together.  If the message is 'different cultures cooperating is good' then Shepard should already know that, it's implementing it and getting everyone else to understand that which is the struggle.

Modifié par Eternal Density, 27 mai 2010 - 12:02 .

[massranger]

Starscream723 wrote...

Fromyou wrote...

how can you make a mass effect movie? if you choose shepards actions. What will the movie pause and the audience votes on the action done?

No. That's the game. The movie is the one where they make up a fun story, and you just watch it to see what they do.

 
I agree, and I agree with what you wrote earlier.  They can still make a good movie with shep or without, and if they choose to make it with shep it should not invalidate the game for people.  They can make the separate from the movie.

[massranger]

Eternal Density wrote...

Here's another wacky idea:
Have mShep as the hero... but follow Ashley Williams as the main character. (That is, the focus and POV tends to follow her role in the story more than the other characters, it doesn't mean the story actually changes at all.)
Why?  Shepard is a hero at the beginning, continues to be heroic throughout the story, and is a hero at the end.  That's fine and we'd still see plenty of that, but Ash has the more interesting story of starting off on Eden Prime (where the beacon will be uncovered and we see it for the first time) having never seen an alien, then being attacked by Geth, losing her squad and meeting Shepard.  Then she has to deal with meeting and working with increasingly more aliens over the course of the movie (helping underscore the 'working with other cultures is good' theme) and then has to deal with the survivor's guilt when Kaidan dies.  (or totally out of left field, have her the main character until Virmire and then kill her off!!! *gasp*).  Of course, that character arc should still be covered to some degree even if she isn't made the main character.
The benefit of this idea is that we get a female main character And a male hero which might keep more people happy/interested than a male hero with a female subordinate as a secondary character.  The big problem with this idea is that Ash is a very minor character in the sequel, so it would have to revert to Shepard as the main character (that could go with killing Ashley off dramatically at Virmire ) or make Miranda the main focus (which would probably upset even more people...)

Just a wacky idea, I don't really expect that to happen.

Now, some things that can be shown in the movie that we missed out on in the game:
1. Inside the Mako.  Part of the boredom of the Mako was that the characters were inside but the camera wasn't, which depersonalised that part of the game a lot.  We had better get to see what it looks like and more importantly see and hear the characters as they drive/tumble around and blow stuff up.
2. The Commander commanding the Normandy.   In the game you just select stuff on the galaxy map and one or two standard cutscenes later, you're there.  And why you can walk around and talk to people it doesn't really feel like you're in command.  In the movie we should see Shepard give orders to Joker to go places.
3. Speaking of the galaxy map, it should have more use than just a pretty hologram.  Perhaps when Shepard chooses a location (which will display the codex entry in the air above it!) it will relay the coordinates to Joker (but Shepard will still speak to Joker about the destination too, see above)
4. More varied visuals for power usage: in the game, using a biotic or tech ability looks the same every time because it's procedural.  In a movie they can actually vary colours (not to much!) and power levels and trajectories as appropriate rather than having to use stock animations for everything.
5. Obviously planets will be more detailed and distinguished
6. Background characters can be more organic, rather than just standing still or sitting down typing or suchlike.
7. On the topic of holograms, they had better look amazing!  Because we know they can.
8. I kinda mentioned this previously but it bears repeating: The squad limit of 2 will be dropped (though that doesn't necessarily mean everyone will tag along everywhere) and squad interactions and orders can be a lot more varied.  And because we can have more squad members fighting (likely splitting into separate fireteams) we can have a lot more enemies to fight!  Also because they won't have the same rendering limit.
9. The graphics of the Mass Effect 1 movie will look FAR better than the graphics of the Mass Effect 2 game.
10. Powers and weapons will probably be adjusted so they are consistent across all the movies (they had especially better avoid the 'all weapons in the galaxy were replaced with lame ones requiring heatsinks to be replaced, in the span of 2 years' issue.

BTW we don't need to worry about who will play Miranda until the sequel - unless they give her a cameo in the first one...

The idea about Ashley... I think that would be cool.  They could make it jump around, I mean the time frame.  You would see shep through ashley, and it would work.  You could start the movie on eden prime, and have it mostly action for the first 20 min with no back story.  Then where shep touches the beacon and blacks out, jump back through the vision shep has and then some of his past.  Maybe his backstory or/his conversation with nihlis to set up the rest of the movie and then he wakes up.  Then starting credits and a brief expalantion of how humanity got where they are technologically.  Then proceed through the movie, through her eyes, or jump to someone else, for the next part of the movie, and see shep through their eyes in a different time, and then again.  It would be interesting to see shep through all of their eyes out of chronilogical order untill it all comes together at the end.   

GOOD IDEA!  don't know if it will be considered.

[Eternal Density]

I hope they take advantage of the flexibility to make Shepard look like whatever they want (but don't stray too far) in order to get someone with the right acting talent. They could even put off deciding on whether they want a male or female Shep until casting the part. (I doubt it though.)

The people involved in this had better realise what a gem and what an opportunity they have. There are a million ways this could go badly wrong but if they tread very carefully this could become a new standard for dramatic effects-laden films in general. If they treat it like a book series adaptation (e.g. LotR) rather than 'yet another video game adaptation' that should help. There's no need for this to follow the pattern video game adaptations have fallen into (and because of that perception they should definitely avoid advertising it as such, as I and others have stressed already).

I really hope that the movie is not inconsistent with a 'possible canon' of the game. And if they change things to make them bigger and better, that they are smart about it and don't overdo it.

[edit]
@massranger: Thanks
yeah the issue of how to show Shepard's backstory and stuff like Nihlus when everything is through Ash's eyes, is a tricky one.  I hope that whatever they do, they don't jump around the chronology too much - that seems to be an 'in thing' but it can confuse things unnecessarily.
Another possibility (that has the same problem of having to go back to show some backstory) is doing Tali's perspective.  The issue with that is that everyone would immediately denounce the Talimancers for causing that.  Plus having a faceless nonhuman as the central character wouldn't really fit so well and would likely hurt popularity of the film (i.e. there's less money in that idea).

Modifié par Eternal Density, 27 mai 2010 - 12:15 .

[Big_Chief]

Guys, they're totally making "Blasto the Jellyfish Stings." I for one am super psyched.

[Ulicus]

An adaptation of the game, no matter how good, really doesn't excite me. I'll go and see it -- perhaps even really enjoy it -- but I'll undoubtedly view it as a wasted opportunity to fully develop a multi-media continuity for the franchise ala Star Wars. I'd much prefer a film set in the universe that had nothing to do with Shepard and could actually be referenced in future games and novels.

That said, the thought of seeing Yvonne Stahovski portraying Miranda in live action is really awesome, however you want to slice it. As is the thought of Seth Green playing Joker -- though not quite to the same extent, given they don't look identical, too.

And, seriously, people are fussing about canon Shepards? If they directly adapt the game to film, then they're automatically divorcing the film continuity from that of the current franchise, so it's not remotely an issue.

Modifié par Ulicus, 27 mai 2010 - 12:24 .

[Eternal Density]

Big_Chief wrote...

Guys, they're totally making "Blasto the Jellyfish Stings." I for one am super psyched.

I hope that at some point (maybe in the Mass Effect 2 movie) that comes up - maybe even make the announcement a video ad with footage from the fictional film.

I've had some fun movie trailer ideas.  Mad props if Shepard says "I should go" in the trailer.  Bonus points for "Is he a zombie or something?"

[ajgoesunlucky]

Ok so after changing my boxes and pants and moving to a new computer......OMG!!!!!!!!
This is so sick!!
Besides the fact Bioware is an amazing game developer, if the Mass Effect movie is good, or better than the other video game movies out there then.......
wow Im blown away.........

BUT PLEASE!!! FOR THE LOVE OF G0D BIOWARE DONT LET THEM RUIN THE GAME SERIES!!!!
If you have to be total ****holes and make them work so hard to make it good, DO IT!!
Dont let them destroy Mass Effect like the Halo movie!!

On a happier note, I will see at Midnight whenever it comes out, and will probably see it multiple times