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[V-rex]

Right I've decided we need to move on a little from the ugly anger and start yet another topic, so here it goes:



Assuming that Ashley had indeed been converted by Shepard (or even her own initiative) to trust aliens more in the two year gap between ME1 and 2 and suddenly found herself leading or assisting a platoon or specialist group of one particular alien race, what race do you reckon it would most likely be?



I would say Salarians on the basis that she clearly had no problem with them on Virmire and even happily volunteered to help them and seemed to have a great deal of respect for their determination and skills.

Close second I would say are Turians, true for a while she had trust issues with them but if she turns her views around and learns to accept that she can't blame the Turians for what happened to her Family Name I reckon she would probably work quite well and effectively with the Turian forces.

[epoch_]

I wasn't going to buy an overpriced shirt from their store anyways, but I just thought it was pretty ballsy to exclude the virmire survivor... again.

[Lord Zeuss]

LiamN7 wrote...

Feeling angry is ok. I feel it trust me. Lets not get into to much quoting with one line or a smiley replies. Or get into just posting pics or quoting pic posts. We wouldn't want to get locked. We can post how we feel about Ash and be angry about many things. We should make sure we do it right.
Ash is worth it..

Ashley deserves better than what she's getting, but you're right.

[Lord Zeuss]

V-rex wrote...

Right I've decided we need to move on a little from the ugly anger and start yet another topic, so here it goes:

Assuming that Ashley had indeed been converted by Shepard (or even her own initiative) to trust aliens more in the two year gap between ME1 and 2 and suddenly found herself leading or assisting a platoon or specialist group of one particular alien race, what race do you reckon it would most likely be?

I would say Salarians on the basis that she clearly had no problem with them on Virmire and even happily volunteered to help them and seemed to have a great deal of respect for their determination and skills.
Close second I would say are Turians, true for a while she had trust issues with them but if she turns her views around and learns to accept that she can't blame the Turians for what happened to her Family Name I reckon she would probably work quite well and effectively with the Turian forces.

Agree. I think she'd get along well with more salarians, and with her endorsement from Captain Kirrahe, I think they'd respect her as well. And about the turians, that makes me think of that Star Trek TNG episode where Riker transfers to a Klingon ship. I bet a lot of the turian officers would turn their noses up and *hmphf* at her, but a lot of the regular soldiers would really like her. I have a feeling more than one of them would ask to test her flexibility.

[Lord Zeuss]

Speaking of which, what would Ash think of Garrus's "I had reach, she had flexibility" line? I sense guffaws in his near future.

[SilverRose208]

V-rex wrote...

Right I've decided we need to move on a little from the ugly anger and start yet another topic, so here it goes:

Assuming that Ashley had indeed been converted by Shepard (or even her own initiative) to trust aliens more in the two year gap between ME1 and 2 and suddenly found herself leading or assisting a platoon or specialist group of one particular alien race, what race do you reckon it would most likely be?

I would say Salarians on the basis that she clearly had no problem with them on Virmire and even happily volunteered to help them and seemed to have a great deal of respect for their determination and skills.
Close second I would say are Turians, true for a while she had trust issues with them but if she turns her views around and learns to accept that she can't blame the Turians for what happened to her Family Name I reckon she would probably work quite well and effectively with the Turian forces.

I agree with you on the Salarians - she seemed to have a lot of respect for them and Kirrahe, and worked with them very effectively.

As for other races, I could see her working with Asari (you know, without Shepard around ), Turians, even Krogran.  She seems able to appreciate others' combat skills regardless of species, and I think she'd work happily with any group so long as she could respect them.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Salarians, most likely.

[VutaatVerd]

I'd have to say she team up with the Volus. Why you ask first "Biotic God...Like a great wind" Second Slap a Volus might come in handy.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Can I assume that I did not convert Ashley and suggest she stay with the Systems Alliance?

If I had to pick an alien race she would most fit in with I would have to say Turian. I think she would fit in quite well with their military based society and sparring contests. Ash comes from a strong military tradition. The whole First Contact War might cause some tension though.

[KendallX23]

i don't get why Ash and her familly are still blaming the turians for their blacklisting..it's not their fault..it's the Alliance who said grandpa Williams should not have surrendered..the Alliance are the idiots here

[drunken pyromaniac]

KendallX23 wrote...

i don't get why Ash and her familly are still blaming the turians for their blacklisting..it's not their fault..it's the Alliance who said grandpa Williams should not have surrendered..the Alliance are the idiots here

Scapegoating is hardly a rational process. The Williams are patriots, it's always easier to believe it that  foreigners will screw you over than when your own countrymen/government do it.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:16 .

[KendallX23]

ok...maybe i am changing my opinion on the Williams familly if they do that...cause clearly the turians had nothing to do with this...it's a thing i disliked in ME1...that Ash blames the turians for the Alliance beeing unwilling to promote a Williams to high...

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

I was speaking more to just Ashley's family history in the First Contact War. Tensions will no doubt arise.

[PrinceLionheart]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I was speaking more to just Ashley's family history in the First Contact War. Tensions will no doubt arise.

Well the Turians did instigate a war against Humanity,  which caused her family to be blacklisted because her Grandfather surrendered during one of the battles. Not saying they're right, but the Williams, more than any other humans really, have a logical reason not to want to get along with Turians.

[Kacynski]

I wasn't having too much of an impression, that Ash was blaming the Turians for not being promoted in ME1. She was saying something on the line of: "Being a Williams means you have to be better than the best", and she did not make any comment towards the Turians in that respect. When she told the story about her grandpa, one of Shepards answers is also something on the line. He said, that the Alliance did not treat her grandpa right and also Ash herself dserves better. This line of Shepard pretty much indicates that if any bitterness was on Ashleys side, it was towards the Alliance. At least that is how I read this dialouge.
Nevertheless, I agree that there would be some tension between Ahs and the Turians, just because of the fact she _is_ a granddaughter of General Williams. But even given that, my first thought on the question which race Ash would be best working with, was indeed the Turians.
Turians are descriped as being very responsible for their own society, seem to carry their heart more on their tongues than other races and are reckless fighters. All of these traits I can imagine to be handled quite well by Ashley. And of course an assignment with a Turian platoon would include some hand-to-hand steam off action
I cannot see her getting on well with Asari, though. The Asari are much less open with their goals and motivations and there seem to be always some mind games to be going on. And I don't think Ash would like this kind of working environment. As for Asari we have met so far, I think she would only come along very well with Aethyta (the matriarch bartender).
As we have seen already also Salarians work well in a team with Ashley, but then Captain Kirrahe's group was not a very average Salarian group. Even Mordin comments about Kirrahe to be too much a military guy. But then maybe Mordin was referring to military (including Salarian) in general and not to Kirrahe in particular. But still I got the impression the Salarian commando on Virmire was not your average Salarian team.

E: spelling

Modifié par Kacynski, 30 juillet 2010 - 10:11 .

[RazerPhoenix]

In all fairness, it is only Ashleys assumption her family name has been blacklisted, there is no proof of it, hence why she is so suprised when Shephard tells her there is nothing in her file regarding the matter.

Modifié par RazerPhoenix, 30 juillet 2010 - 10:26 .

[Kacynski]

RazerPhoenix wrote...

In all fairness, it is only Ashleys assumption her family name has been blacklisted, there is no proof of it, hence why she is so suprised when Shephard tells her there is nothing in her file regarding the matter.

This is true. There is no evidence given, that she is indeed blacklisted. But even Shepard mentions, that in her files is "nothing, just a list of crap assignments" - why does she only get crap assignments? She wonders, Shepard wonders and we Ashley lovers wonder too ... . I think it is a safe assumption, there _is_ a reason for this, and from there it is only a short step to assume her family history is that reason. But nonethelss, you are right, it still is an assumption.

Anyway my point was, that I don't see her blaming the Turians for not being promoted.
Which lets me pick up on the perception some people have of her being racist. Wouldn't that have been the perfect way to show her racist tendencies if there would be any? If I think about it right now, the fact she's not blaming the Turians for her slow running military career, shows she is no racist indeed. Just don't know how to get this through to the "Ashley is a racist" - crowd

To get this back on a more positive note: How well do you think Ash can handle herself against a Turian hand-to-hand specialist? I think she might not be able to beat the best, but she would do well enough to earn respect from anybody.
And another interesting question on her character: How well do you think she could handle the fact she gets beaten in these hand-to-hand sparrings? A character like Shepard could not stand it, but what do think about Ashley's social skills in loosing?

[RazerPhoenix]

From reading this it also becomes more apparent that other factors may be involved in her lack of promotions/assignments. Plus it is also worth mentioning that she is a woman in the military, and is likely to be treated harsher than male equivalents.

[epoch_]

I must say this is by far the most on topic thread on the forum.

[KendallX23]

RazerPhoenix wrote...



From reading this it also becomes more apparent that other factors may be involved in her lack of promotions/assignments. Plus it is also worth mentioning that she is a woman in the military, and is likely to be treated harsher than male equivalents.

         i got the impression that in the future they got over the crap that women beeing treatead harsher...plus femShep has no problems...
        But yea aparently she has issues with erm...media....but i didn't see that problem in ME1...she only talks to Shepard about them...her political opinions are that well known ?again that makes me think she is very vocal about them...and again goes against what i saw in ME1...she seemed more of a regular loyal soldier type...given an order and just do it..

[Funkcase]

KendallX23 wrote...

RazerPhoenix wrote...



From reading this it also becomes more apparent that other factors may be involved in her lack of promotions/assignments. Plus it is also worth mentioning that she is a woman in the military, and is likely to be treated harsher than male equivalents.

         i got the impression that in the future they got over the crap that women beeing treatead harsher...plus femShep has no problems...
        But yea aparently she has issues with erm...media....but i didn't see that problem in ME1...she only talks to Shepard about them...her political opinions are that well known ?again that makes me think she is very vocal about them...and again goes against what i saw in ME1...she seemed more of a regular loyal soldier type...given an order and just do it..

Ash was pretty vocal about politics, she realy disliked Udina and the council, she was also very vocal about her views on terra firma (not a bad thing, she said what was right) But she is a loyal soldier if she was told to button it she did.

[KendallX23]

from the article that razer put it made me belive she is too vocal...but really except terra firma...all her opinions are said to just Shepard...

[V-rex]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Speaking of which, what would Ash think of Garrus's "I had reach, she had flexibility" line? I sense guffaws in his near future.

I think she's either laugh or kind of snark at it sarcastically (but in a friendly way)
I actually think she'd rather like the 'new' Garrus given that his personality is actually a lot like hers now. In Mass Effect 1 he was very uptight and somewhat humourless but in the second he seemed more fun loving and not afraid of making a few jokes.
I reckon they would actually get along quite well, assuming the game acknowledges that Ashley has gotten over her former trust issues with aliens.

[V-rex]

Funkcase wrote...


Ash was pretty vocal about politics, she realy disliked Udina and the council, she was also very vocal about her views on terra firma (not a bad thing, she said what was right) But she is a loyal soldier if she was told to button it she did.

Yeah, she probably would keep her voice down and under control if ordered to, or perhaps she would just know to keep her mouth shut in certain situations.
That said, I loved seeing her take Terra Firma down a peg, does a lot to remove the accusations that she's 'racist'.

[Funkcase]

KendallX23 wrote...

from the article that razer put it made me belive she is too vocal...but really except terra firma...all her opinions are said to just Shepard...

Yeah, i think we can asume she most likely got into some trouble when she was a recruit, and she has since learned to hold her tongue the best she can.