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[KendallX23]

SilverRose208 wrote...

I have my own theories, that Ash is working less with the Alliance as a whole and more with a select group of individuals, probably headed by Anderson. Remember that Shepard's crew was seen as a liability - not an asset - following Saren's defeat and the subsequent dismissing of the Reaper threat.

           i sure hope so...the Alliance likes no one form SHep crew...she is better off working for someone else..like Anderson...and maybe other races are involved too ?

[SilverRose208]

@Kendall - I wouldn't be surprised if they were. Her line on Horizon, "I'm no fan of aliens..." was so OOC, especially if you Paragoned her in ME1, that I'd love to think of it as some type of cover-up. To dismiss the Reapers after gathering so much physical evidence leads me to believe, at least, that Shepard/Cerberus just aren't trusted enough to get the full story.

[KendallX23]

well i did seem to find the COuncil..too dismissive about everything...either they really are idiots...or..they don't trust SHep cause at that time he/She was working with Cerberus...and they have a secret agenda..and Ash is included..as an agent of some kind..i would be happy if she was a Spectre

[V-rex]

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kendall - I wouldn't be surprised if they were. Her line on Horizon, "I'm no fan of aliens..." was so OOC, especially if you Paragoned her in ME1, that I'd love to think of it as some type of cover-up. To dismiss the Reapers after gathering so much physical evidence leads me to believe, at least, that Shepard/Cerberus just aren't trusted enough to get the full story.

I sure hope that's the case, the last thing I'd want to see happen to Ashley is her just getting reverted to a stereotypical racist like everyone keeps proclaiming her to be, so I do my part to dismiss that line (admittedly she does also note that she would never work for Cerberus under the basis of them being extremeist so there is still some hope). I really do hold onto the hope that her being paragoned does feature in Mass Effect 3.

Plus as you said I think it would be more interesting if there were some secrets going on in an underground army being developed by Anderson or something similar that you aren't to know about and of which Ashley is an ally thereof. It would make for an interesting plot device in Mass Effect 3 in any case.

[Funkcase]

KendallX23 wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

I have my own theories, that Ash is working less with the Alliance as a whole and more with a select group of individuals, probably headed by Anderson. Remember that Shepard's crew was seen as a liability - not an asset - following Saren's defeat and the subsequent dismissing of the Reaper threat.

           i sure hope so...the Alliance likes no one form SHep crew...she is better off working for someone else..like Anderson...and maybe other races are involved too ?

You do know it was Anderson who approved of the mission though?

[Cypher0020]

I think I do hate the Alliance. I know the Reaper threat isn't exactly a popular topic....but look how many talented people left the Alliance to join Shepard and to a extent Cerberus



genius engineers like Ken and Gabby, the best Alliance doctors like Chakwas, the best pilot, Joker....etc....



If I were in the brass, I'd start to worry when some of my most noted officers.... well....commit treason?

[KendallX23]

Funkcase wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

I have my own theories, that Ash is working less with the Alliance as a whole and more with a select group of individuals, probably headed by Anderson. Remember that Shepard's crew was seen as a liability - not an asset - following Saren's defeat and the subsequent dismissing of the Reaper threat.

           i sure hope so...the Alliance likes no one form SHep crew...she is better off working for someone else..like Anderson...and maybe other races are involved too ?

You do know it was Anderson who approved of the mission though?

  i thought ANderson told u  that...i was just hoping she would stop work for the Alliance..at least until they wake up

[Funkcase]

KendallX23 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

I have my own theories, that Ash is working less with the Alliance as a whole and more with a select group of individuals, probably headed by Anderson. Remember that Shepard's crew was seen as a liability - not an asset - following Saren's defeat and the subsequent dismissing of the Reaper threat.

           i sure hope so...the Alliance likes no one form SHep crew...she is better off working for someone else..like Anderson...and maybe other races are involved too ?

You do know it was Anderson who approved of the mission though?

  i thought ANderson told u  that...i was just hoping she would stop work for the Alliance..at least until they wake up

The problem is, the only alternative to the Alliance is Cerberus, Ashley's family name was already blacklisted from the Alliance, if she join's a terroist organisation the outcome for her family would be horrible. She would'nt anyway as she would feel she is betraying her family.

The Alliance seem pretty awake to me, but they must do what the rest of the Council tell them, unless humanity wants to get kicked off the Council and probably cause a war. Lets not forget, we dont actually hear what the Alliance think in ME2, we hear anti-Alliance propaganda from Cerberus but thats it.

[KendallX23]

there is another alternative..it's called SPectre...she has the qualities..she was in Shep crew..and the COuncil dosen't have to tell everything to the ALliance...ok..so right now this is just speculation..but i would like it to be something along this idea

[Funkcase]

KendallX23 wrote...

there is another alternative..it's called SPectre...she has the qualities..she was in Shep crew..and the COuncil dosen't have to tell everything to the ALliance...ok..so right now this is just speculation..but i would like it to be something along this idea

She has the qualities, but would the Council be ready for a second human Spectre already?

[Flamewielder]

SilverRose208 wrote...

@Kendall - I wouldn't be surprised if they were. Her line on Horizon, "I'm no fan of aliens..." was so OOC, especially if you Paragoned her in ME1, that I'd love to think of it as some type of cover-up. To dismiss the Reapers after gathering so much physical evidence leads me to believe, at least, that Shepard/Cerberus just aren't trusted enough to get the full story.

I didn't feel it was OOC, even for a paragon'd Ash. Human colonists have plenty good reason to be distrustful of aliens in general. Events of the First Contact War had profound influence on the human colonist psyche: to them, they were attacked for no reason; the Turians shot first without bothering to contact and explain. No amount of coddling or paragoning will completely wipe this out.

I play an ultra-paragon Shep (one of those "******" Jack refers to). I understand where the mistrust is coming from and I'm glad Ash is willing to go beyond her mistrust to bond with aliens as individuals. I don't expect her to become an alien apologist. THAT would be OOC IMO.

The reason Cerberus still gets support despite its obviously dismal track record in matters of ethics and scientific investigation is that essentially ALL species are looking out for number 1, in the end. Not just Humans, ALL species. Human colonists are in competition with all the other species out there, Council or not. The only difference is that among Council species, this competition is "civilized" by rules. Batarians and other non-Council species do not give a rat's a** about such niceties. They'll mass drive you to atoms, then use your carcasses as fertilizer for THEIR new colony.

The reason I love Ash as a character (and LI, I might add) is her strong opinions on this subject. She trusts aliens as allies but understands this alliance may not last. She understands some aliens will shoot first without bothering about asking any questions, so some caution is definitely warranted when dealing with an alien species whose mindset may cause them to mis-interpret any action as aggression. She makes no bones about her caution and mistrust and I love her for it.

When it comes to dealing with aliens, the paragon will always extend a hand in friendship first, keeping the biggest, meanest gun available in the other hand in case it gets slapped. That's something Ash can definitely buy into.

[SilverRose208]

I don't think she's qualified to be a Spectre. She's a grunt, and a good one at that, but I think it takes more than combat ability to be considered an elite operative. It would make more sense for Kaidan, being a senior ranking officer and a biotic - the only way we'd see Ash as a Spectre is if they had to retrofit her into Kaidan's plotline, imo.

[KendallX23]

Funkcase wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

there is another alternative..it's called SPectre...she has the qualities..she was in Shep crew..and the COuncil dosen't have to tell everything to the ALliance...ok..so right now this is just speculation..but i would like it to be something along this idea

She has the qualities, but would the Council be ready for a second human Spectre already?

             why not...?SHepard proved the human qualities.C-SEC is already packed with humans...another human SPectre is not so hard...plus it would be a great justification as to why was Ash alone on Horizon when it is known entire colonies have their colonist vanished..

[KendallX23]

SilverRose208 wrote...

I don't think she's qualified to be a Spectre. She's a grunt, and a good one at that, but I think it takes more than combat ability to be considered an elite operative. It would make more sense for Kaidan, being a senior ranking officer and a biotic - the only way we'd see Ash as a Spectre is if they had to retrofit her into Kaidan's plotline, imo.

        i don't think it was ever specified whatis nedeed to be a SPectre exactly...Ash might feel the spot just good...rank is not a need...it's the abilities..Ash proved she has them..and SPectres mostly work alone...

Modifié par KendallX23, 06 août 2010 - 01:53 .

[Funkcase]

SilverRose208 wrote...

I don't think she's qualified to be a Spectre. She's a grunt, and a good one at that, but I think it takes more than combat ability to be considered an elite operative. It would make more sense for Kaidan, being a senior ranking officer and a biotic - the only way we'd see Ash as a Spectre is if they had to retrofit her into Kaidan's plotline, imo.

I dunno, some grunts can become great Spectres, Nihlus and Saren where normal foot soldier turned Spectre, Anderson was a regular Grunt who was targeted to be a Spectre, and Shepard may not have Biotics and also started as a normal grunt. I think she maybe a bit young, and by rank, but we dont actually know how long after ME2, ME3 takes place, Ash could be a much higher rank, and much wiser. But I cant see her as a Spectre, tbh I cant see another human Spectre until after ME3.

[SilverRose208]

Hi, Flamewielder! Good to see another Ash supporter around these parts.

Basically, my frustration regarding that comment stems from ME1 - I had her acknowledging the importance of accepting aliens as allies, telling me to save the Council, all of the uber-Paragon goodness. By the time ME2 rolls around, she's saying that she, again, is "no fan of aliens." It's quite a striking reversal from a Paragoned Ash in ME1 - but it's also far more direct than anything she says in ME1, even without the influence. When she first expresses distrust of aliens, it's exactly that ... distrust and skepticism about allowing them full access to an advanced warship, all of which is completely justifiable, imo. Then in ME2 ... that statement felt forced and throw-in in to me. There was no context, nothing said to justify it - just seemed pretty random and unneeded to me, fwiw.

[Flamewielder]

Going back to Anderson's stated opinion of the Council and the Alliance in the beginning of ME1, you can tell Anderson believes in standing up to aliens to gain Humanity its fair share of the galactic pie. I think that represents the mindset of Alliance leadership as a whole: "Work with aliens as long as we don't get screwed over." "Be civil whenever you can, nuke 'em 'til they glow in the dark when they play rough."



I expect Ash/Kaidan will remain Alliance military, working on special assignement to Councilor Anderson. That allows Anderson to keep working against the Reapers behind the scenes, while catering to the Alliance agenda of Human expansion in the Attican Traverse. Keep in mind that Earth still holds most of the Human population and is consequently still greatly overpopulated. The Systems Alliance current priority is relieving this overpopulation with new colonies, in the face of an increasingly reluctant population (colonial enrollment is at an all-time low, following the attacks by Geth and Collectors).



We KNOW the Reapers are the GREATEST threat, but they are not the ONLY one facing Humanity. Consider that as along as we current day humans are stuck on this planet, a single asteroid can wipe us all out. ME Humanity is only slightly better off, and would end up like the Quarians if they don't push hard for new colonies. So the Alliance is not bad or stupid, it just has different priorities than Shepard. To them, sacrificing Humanity to save the other Council races (a paragon choice indeed) is simply unacceptable. They will not compromise Humanity's position on the galactic stage unless they see everyone else committing to the same degree. They will not leave their colonies unprotected to fly off somewhere to fight Reapers unless they see Batarians do the same, for example.

[Fiannawolf]

Well Maeva just went to Horizon and saw Ash again. I keep hoping she would knock my butt out and abduct/rescue me from Cerby. Joker and Kelly get bonus brownies for mentioning my friendship with Ash. Arg! I hate that scene. If only I could explain im a double agent for the alliance and gathering info on stupid express.

[Brijenieve]

I'm not sure about qualifications, but I could see them installing her as a Spectre simply because of her relationship with Shepard, and her ability to get disarmingly close to him. Even not knowing about the romantic aspect of the relationship, she would be the best candidate as the human who worked very closely/the closest with Shepard before.

At this point, I think it could go either way. I could see them not making her a spectre for ME3, but I also could see them going ahead with it, if for nothing else than as a plot device. "Oh no, I have to battle the woman I love," and "It's Saren all over again - a Spectre gone rogue and having to be chased down by a new Spectre...!" kind of thing. On the other hand, they could accomplish this with her just being on "special assignment" under Anderson. I'm curious to see what they'll do.

Also, goodmorning.

Modifié par Brijenieve, 06 août 2010 - 02:15 .

[Funkcase]

Brijenieve wrote...

I'm not sure about qualifications, but I could see them installing her as a Spectre simply because of her relationship with Shepard, and her ability to get disarmingly close to him. Even not knowing about the romantic aspect of the relationship, she would be the best candidate as the human who worked very closely/the closest with Shepard before.

At this point, I think it could go either way. I could see them not making her a spectre for ME3, but I also could see them going ahead with it, if for nothing else than as a plot device. "Oh no, I have to battle the woman I love," and "It's Saren all over again - a Spectre gone rogue and having to be chased down by a new Spectre...!" kind of thing. On the other hand, they could accomplish this with her just being on "special assignment" under Anderson. I'm curious to see what they'll do.

Also, goodmorning.

I too, like a few fans have noticed the irony that Shepard is becoming like Saren. I can imagine Ash tracking Shepard down, lol. I cant realy see it happening though, but who knows with the way the series is going so far. The only problem with that is it takes one of the unique aspect of Ash and throws it away, that being how normal she is.

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[epoch_]

And because this poll has never been done before...

[silverfoxIII]

Funkcase wrote...

I too, like a few fans have noticed the irony that Shepard is becoming like Saren. I can imagine Ash tracking Shepard down, lol. I cant realy see it happening though, but who knows with the way the series is going so far. The only problem with that is it takes one of the unique aspect of Ash and throws it away, that being how normal she is.

Indeed we have everything he wanted, geth army, genophage cure, rachni allies, and a hell of a ship! Other similarities both have reaper implants, both died and came back well kinda came back lol. I'm just waiting for our hooverboard and renegade interupt where we pull people up by there neck virmire style.

Anyways hello all