14023 réponses à ce sujet

[ashlover mark 2]

alright folks of ashland heres a topic for you all.so besides the obvious reason's of beacuz we love her and shes awsome.why do you all think ashley should return in ME3.in what way could haveing her in ME3 enhance the story for the better and what possible story plot and side/personale mission wouls she have.

[Chignon]

Why? Because even though I always played as a FemShep, I loved the friendship you could have with Ash and always felt that she is someone who'd have your back no matter what, Horizon and the whole dying business aside.

This is essentially something I've missed with most of the ME2 squad members and want back for ME3 with the return of the VS. How they do it and what missions this includes doesn't really matter to me as long as it's done well, with more depth to the story and consequences for the choices you make.

Modifié par Chignon, 07 août 2010 - 08:06 .

[K154R2]

Hello Ash board,



I think that if Sherpard leaves Cerberus at the end of ME2 then Ash whould probably be sent by the allencie to keep an eye on shepard. He has been working with Ceberus and they already have sent her to keep tabs on him (i.e Horizon) so a very sensible way to have her incorperated is for her to be the Alliences main liason to shepard. Even if he stayed with cerberus Im sure the Allience would want one of there own trying to keep shepard attached to the Allience. I think that for her story arc they can have her regain the honor of her family or have her take charge of the alliences contribution to fight the reapers. In any event she is the most likely person the Allience will send for any event that has to do with fighting the reapers. So i think she (or the other virmire survivo) will undoubtingly have a bigger role in the next game.

[TheBull]

K154R2 wrote...

Hello Ash board,

I think that if Sherpard leaves Cerberus at the end of ME2 then Ash whould probably be sent by the allencie to keep an eye on shepard. He has been working with Ceberus and they already have sent her to keep tabs on him (i.e Horizon) so a very sensible way to have her incorperated is for her to be the Alliences main liason to shepard. Even if he stayed with cerberus Im sure the Allience would want one of there own trying to keep shepard attached to the Allience. I think that for her story arc they can have her regain the honor of her family or have her take charge of the alliences contribution to fight the reapers. In any event she is the most likely person the Allience will send for any event that has to do with fighting the reapers. So i think she (or the other virmire survivo) will undoubtingly have a bigger role in the next game.

That actually sounds very plausible,
otherwise i'm maybe the only one on this thread who is fully trusting Bioware on this issue.
There is a reason why you couldn't recruit her in ME 2 so she could be there for ME 3 and i also believe that she won't be just an e-mail or just a cameo, call me a Psycho (my name is Dexter anyway) but i think they won't let me (us) down for the last act, they just can't (or maybe even the "Bridge" DLC who knows) since the announcement that it will come out late 2011 im counting Days looking for every new chunk of News.

I'm excited and i hope the finale is as cheesy (good way) as possible.

Bioware "Just Bring It":D

Modifié par TheBull, 07 août 2010 - 09:45 .

[epoch_]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

i will say this though,if ashley were to team up with liara and shep that would be some uber kickass DLC.watch out shadow broker ME1 LI's commin at ya.

It would be epic. indeed.

[epoch_]

K154R2 wrote...

Hello Ash board,

I think that if Sherpard leaves Cerberus at the end of ME2 then Ash whould probably be sent by the allencie to keep an eye on shepard. He has been working with Ceberus and they already have sent her to keep tabs on him (i.e Horizon) so a very sensible way to have her incorperated is for her to be the Alliences main liason to shepard. Even if he stayed with cerberus Im sure the Allience would want one of there own trying to keep shepard attached to the Allience. I think that for her story arc they can have her regain the honor of her family or have her take charge of the alliences contribution to fight the reapers. In any event she is the most likely person the Allience will send for any event that has to do with fighting the reapers. So i think she (or the other virmire survivo) will undoubtingly have a bigger role in the next game.

If they dont make her a squad mate (which she won't because we'll be getting a whole new team), then I fully expect this to be the case. Since either ash or kaiden is guarenteed alive, they seem like the perfect fit for the job.

[KendallX23]

so where exactly is the proof that we will have a new team ?i keep seeing this everywhere but seen no article about it....

so the new theory is that Ashley joins Shep as a watcher...great..i always nedeed a guardian looking at everything i do...can't she have a normal role ?

[Lord Zeuss]

KendallX23 wrote...

so where exactly is the proof that we will have a new team ?i keep seeing this everywhere but seen no article about it....

To my knowledge there has been no confirmation. I believe epoch_ simply feels so strongly about this that he passes it off as pseudo-fact.

so the new theory is that Ashley joins Shep as a watcher...great..i
always nedeed a guardian looking at everything i do...can't she have a
normal role ?

I've long had the idea that ME3 would be the perfect opportunity to have more non-squadmate crew members, like Kelly, Joker, Chakwas, and the like. For instance, I thought the game could have gotten along fine if, say, Mordin weren't a squadmate but rather the ship's scientist (I'm stretching things a bit here). Does this mean I would like Ash to be relegated to a secondary shipside role? Ideally, no, of course not. But if it comes down to a choice between 5 minute cameo with no possibility of ever seeing her in-game after that point, and a reduced-importance secondary non-squad role as part of the ship crew, I'd go for the latter in a heartbeat.

But I still want full-status accorded to Chief Williams.

[epoch_]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so where exactly is the proof that we will have a new team ?i keep seeing this everywhere but seen no article about it....

To my knowledge there has been no confirmation. I believe epoch_ simply feels so strongly about this that he passes it off as pseudo-fact.

That is correct. Its less for my benefit now, than for everybody's elses. I see no point in pretending the squad mates will be back just to make everybody feel better. Because its just going to feel worse later.

Lord Zeuss wrote...

so the new theory is that Ashley joins Shep as a watcher...great..i
always nedeed a guardian looking at everything i do...can't she have a
normal role ?

I've long had the idea that ME3 would be the perfect opportunity to have more non-squadmate crew members, like Kelly, Joker, Chakwas, and the like. For instance, I thought the game could have gotten along fine if, say, Mordin weren't a squadmate but rather the ship's scientist (I'm stretching things a bit here). Does this mean I would like Ash to be relegated to a secondary shipside role? Ideally, no, of course not. But if it comes down to a choice between 5 minute cameo with no possibility of ever seeing her in-game after that point, and a reduced-importance secondary non-squad role as part of the ship crew, I'd go for the latter in a heartbeat.

But I still want full-status accorded to Chief Williams.

I agree, obviously having her on the ship is better than not having her at all, but the only way she'd be on the ship and not on your squad (and have it make any sense) is if she were in a wheel chair.

[epoch_]

LiamN7 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

so where exactly is the proof that we will have a new team ?i keep seeing this everywhere but seen no article about it....

To my knowledge there has been no confirmation. I believe epoch_ simply feels so strongly about this that he passes it off as pseudo-fact.

That is correct. Its less for my benefit now, than for everybody's elses. I see no point in pretending the squad mates will be back just to make everybody feel better. Because its just going to feel worse later.

This is your opinion Epoch. You may end up correct. But it is just an opinion. No details have been given at all. Ash might be back as full squad member, Ash might be some kind of mission giver, Ash might be sent after shep, Ash might not come back as a squad member but might move into Sheps apartment. Lots of room.  : ) Ash might not even make it in ME3 and we dont get any explaination about why.   Nobody knows at this point. It is all just speculation and opinions.

I know that, I'm just tired of getting my hopes dashed constantly.

[trobbins777]

One thing I think a lot of people are are forgetting is why bioware sidelined the ME1 LI's in the first place, to keep them safe. They obviously have some kind of plan for them, and though Horizon was badly written(and obviously written to make people cheat on their ME1 LI's) , we can't forget that  a) bioware games have some of the best overall writing in the gaming buissness and Mass Effect is a trilogy and i don't think bioware could really keep developing a character over three games before they would run out of things to do with them(see calibrations/cleaning engines).

 

[Ashaman X]

trobbins777 wrote...

One thing I think a lot of people are are forgetting is why bioware sidelined the ME1 LI's in the first place, to keep them safe. They obviously have some kind of plan for them, and though Horizon was badly written(and obviously written to make people cheat on their ME1 LI's) , we can't forget that  a) bioware games have some of the best overall writing in the gaming buissness and Mass Effect is a trilogy and i don't think bioware could really keep developing a character over three games before they would run out of things to do with them(see calibrations/cleaning engines).

 

Well said. I think part of the problem is that we have no idea what is going to happen. Ash has been treated like a second class citizen in ME2, and she had a very mixed reaction in ME1. It was almost as if she was too real for some people. I imagine this has probably influenced BioWare's direction slightly, but I don't think they will kill her off either. I believe that Ash and Kaidan will have a much larger role in ME3, if not the whole game then at least part of it. It's the closing game of the trilogy, so introducing a whole new squad and so on makes no sense. ME3 should be about building up with what you already have.

I will hold my faith that my relationship with Ash will work out one way or another in ME3, and in a good satisfying way as well. The dev team will surely have learnt from ME2's mistakes, and will make an even better game.

[silverfoxIII]

ME3 Is the end game, everything should be put in so it goes down  as and all time classic, they don't need to worry about the next game and the thousand of choices, bioware need to record all VOs i no not everybody will have the full squad but in both games i've only lost kaiden, ME 1 and 2 are marketed on how your choices have 'big' impacts on the next game, even says in the loading screen in ME2, so far we haven't seen any.

But on topic i do believe ash will be back, the little hints in the email like 'i don't no what the future holds for us' and 'skipper' and we all have seen the reflection before the suicide mission. Which brings me on to another topic. Did anyone else notice in that scene the music from the sound track is called reflections!

Modifié par silverfoxIII, 08 août 2010 - 10:32 .

[Flamewielder]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...
alright folks of ashland heres a topic for you all.so besides the obvious reason's of beacuz we love her and shes awsome.why do you all think ashley should return in ME3.in what way could haveing her in ME3 enhance the story for the better and what possible story plot and side/personale mission wouls she have.

In keeping with Ash's unwavering commitment to Alliance military ideals, I see her/Kaidan being Anderson's "ace-in-the-hole". I see her as the weapon Anderson will keep trained on the Reapers while he goes on with his political mandate. I think you'll end up having to "recruit" her/him in ME3; if Anderson keeps using her/him in a special ops role in the Terminus systems, she/he may well end up having to be "extracted" from a mission gone ploin-shaped with valuable intel on the Reapers' Plan C...
The reasoning is, newcomers to ME3 may be interested in romancing Ash/Kaidan, so that gives them a starting point. Old timers like us will have to "romance" her/him all over again as we heal the ME2 divide, making for a slightly different dialogue/feel to it. Ash/Kaidan are good for Special Ops: they have the right training, have worked with a Spectre before, they know about the bigger threat and the Alliance military will not miss them (they are low level enough to operate below the Alliance brass radar).
A secondary mission might be to rescue members of Ash/Kaidan's team, held prisoner by Reaper agents, etc... Lots of storytelling potential left with Ash and Kaidan.

[Brijenieve]

Happy Sunday, all!

Flame, I agree - I think there's too much potential with Ash/Kaidan to just leave them out of ME3, and there certainly seem to be hints throughout ME2 that we're not done with them yet. If for nothing else, I think Bioware will have to bring them back because of their enormous fan bases.

On another note, have any of you written any Ashley-based fanfiction/fan art that needs a home? I'm happy to host it, restriction free (language, length, etc), at the Writer's Block, and would love to get some good Ashley stuff up. Just let me know.  Also, if any of you have been reading Doug84's fic, Blastette the Jellyfish: Renegade, it's been updated. If you haven't been reading it, and would like to start... it's all there, under the table of contents. There's an update to the cross-over fic, Guild Effect there as well.

http://writersblockf...n.blogspot.com/

Modifié par Brijenieve, 08 août 2010 - 06:39 .

[drake heath]

LiamN7 wrote...

I understand Epoch. Trust me I do. I have more disappointment , bitterness, and anger then anyone here could know. I miss Ash. I cant even stand to play ME2 anymore. Not with how bad it turned out in my opinion . I have absolutely no plans to play it again. It doesn't have Ash.
But so many people say things that are their opinion, or thoughts on what they think will happen as if it were fact. At this point it is all guess work . Till we hear from Bioware.

I can't play it anymore because my disc broke.

[Quaay]

hi2u Ash fans

[epoch_]

Good day all.

[V-rex]

To answer to the topic at hand:



I think Ashley coming back is good not only because it can add a new depth to the story (as detailed in the above posts) but it also has untapped potential to be the most brilliant conclusion to a romance subplot in the history of gaming.

Here we are with a story about two people who have a chance meeting on Eden Prime during a war zone, pulled together by the tension of the escalating war against a fearsome foe they develop feelings for each other and fall in love. They manage to stop the evil foe and now have all the time in the world.

Then they are separated in a two year gap by a horrible disaster and then when they meet again, they have become two different people and things go very bad. They become separated not just by a whole galaxy and a two year span but also by their loyalties to either side of a small civil war.

Yet they are still connected by one thing they both share, feelings for each other, and the hope for a future ahead of them.



Now imagine this in Mass Effect 3, Shepard has left Cerberus and is now heading back to become a Spectre again and possibly work with the Alliance once more, Ashley once again returns into his life and now as the story rebuilds so too does that relationship. We could see Ashley torn between her loyalty to the Alliance and her sense of duty and the old emotions she had for Shepard that are resurfacing in full swing.

We could see the proud fearless Commander Shepard show visible signs of emotional vulnerability in her presence and his resolve also weakened as he holds on to the hope that he can be with her again.

Honestly, there are so many dramatic things that could happen in so many ways that could be emotionally moving and story wise brilliant as two star crossed lovers on either side of a spectrum heading towards a common goal meet together and allow the emotions of the past to overtake them.



It could fit perfectly with the plot and if you ask me, it would be amazing.

[KendallX23]

V-rex wrote...

To answer to the topic at hand:

I think Ashley coming back is good not only because it can add a new depth to the story (as detailed in the above posts) but it also has untapped potential to be the most brilliant conclusion to a romance subplot in the history of gaming.
Here we are with a story about two people who have a chance meeting on Eden Prime during a war zone, pulled together by the tension of the escalating war against a fearsome foe they develop feelings for each other and fall in love. They manage to stop the evil foe and now have all the time in the world.
Then they are separated in a two year gap by a horrible disaster and then when they meet again, they have become two different people and things go very bad. They become separated not just by a whole galaxy and a two year span but also by their loyalties to either side of a small civil war.
Yet they are still connected by one thing they both share, feelings for each other, and the hope for a future ahead of them.

Now imagine this in Mass Effect 3, Shepard has left Cerberus and is now heading back to become a Spectre again and possibly work with the Alliance once more, Ashley once again returns into his life and now as the story rebuilds so too does that relationship. We could see Ashley torn between her loyalty to the Alliance and her sense of duty and the old emotions she had for Shepard that are resurfacing in full swing.
We could see the proud fearless Commander Shepard show visible signs of emotional vulnerability in her presence and his resolve also weakened as he holds on to the hope that he can be with her again.
Honestly, there are so many dramatic things that could happen in so many ways that could be emotionally moving and story wise brilliant as two star crossed lovers on either side of a spectrum heading towards a common goal meet together and allow the emotions of the past to overtake them.

It could fit perfectly with the plot and if you ask me, it would be amazing.

                except there is something that  says no to some of your ideas..can't say why..cause it's spoilers from the last novel..but let's say ME3 will not start nice and easy me thinks

[Pups_of_war_76]

KendallX23 wrote...

V-rex wrote...

To answer to the topic at hand:

I think Ashley coming back is good not only because it can add a new depth to the story (as detailed in the above posts) but it also has untapped potential to be the most brilliant conclusion to a romance subplot in the history of gaming.
Here we are with a story about two people who have a chance meeting on Eden Prime during a war zone, pulled together by the tension of the escalating war against a fearsome foe they develop feelings for each other and fall in love. They manage to stop the evil foe and now have all the time in the world.
Then they are separated in a two year gap by a horrible disaster and then when they meet again, they have become two different people and things go very bad. They become separated not just by a whole galaxy and a two year span but also by their loyalties to either side of a small civil war.
Yet they are still connected by one thing they both share, feelings for each other, and the hope for a future ahead of them.

Now imagine this in Mass Effect 3, Shepard has left Cerberus and is now heading back to become a Spectre again and possibly work with the Alliance once more, Ashley once again returns into his life and now as the story rebuilds so too does that relationship. We could see Ashley torn between her loyalty to the Alliance and her sense of duty and the old emotions she had for Shepard that are resurfacing in full swing.
We could see the proud fearless Commander Shepard show visible signs of emotional vulnerability in her presence and his resolve also weakened as he holds on to the hope that he can be with her again.
Honestly, there are so many dramatic things that could happen in so many ways that could be emotionally moving and story wise brilliant as two star crossed lovers on either side of a spectrum heading towards a common goal meet together and allow the emotions of the past to overtake them.

It could fit perfectly with the plot and if you ask me, it would be amazing.

                except there is something that  says no to some of your ideas..can't say why..cause it's spoilers from the last novel..but let's say ME3 will not start nice and easy me thinks

I would say that, after the much-hyped dark edginess of ME2, ME3 should be a relatively cake and roses affair as far as the general tone goes, barring some awkwardness as Shepard has to account for any shifty actions taken during ME2 and the heroic sacrifice I expect someone will have to make in order to finally defeat the Reapers (there will be one: just not sure who.)

I've heard about all the stuff - including the Shep-related stuff - from Retribution, and nothing seemed to be ruled out: it was just an excuse to get Shepard out of the way so that they wouldn't have to explain what exactly had gone on with the Collector thing, which would've required them to stray overmuch into canon-setting territory.

[V-rex]

Okay, time to put a new topic up for people to be talking about:



Supposing she had never met Shepard and had spent her whole life just doing simple military assignments for the Alliance, do you think Ashley could settle for a relationship with an ordinary person who isn't enlisted in the military or would he have to be as action ready as Ash to even consider keeping up?



On the one hand I would say that Ash would need someone just as strong as her alongside if she was going to be in a serious committed relationship, hence why in her email to her sister she mentioned kind of having a 'thing' for one of the soldiers that was leaving.

I would suspect that she would want someone else who was strong and could look out for themselves, especially if she was to spend long periods of time separated from them because of ground side assignments.

But at the same time part of me suspects that if her family name had never been disgraced in the first place she might still pursue a military career but she wouldn't force herself into it as much and would be capable of a normal relationship or at least a steady relationship with someone who wasn't military.



Though her family probably wouldn't approve.



Still, what does everyone else think?

[Badpie]

I think as far as relationships go, Ash doesn't have a lot of relationships and when she does they're not that serious. I also tend to think those relationships would probably be with people NOT in the military, or at the very least not directly involved in her career in any way. Her career is important to her so I can't see her dating some guy in her unit or even someone she interacts with on a daily basis.