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[Raanz]

I like Lord Zeuss' idea, and as far as the Collectors and Harbinger goes, according to the actual story of ME2 (unless I totally mis-interpreted it), the Collectors are genetically altered Protheans....they are mindless slaves to the Reapers anyway. Who's to say that Harbinger (a reaper I assume) couldn't just assume control of another set of Collectors. I don't think all of the Collectors perished in ME2.

The one thing I might like to see added is that Ashley seems to agree to help or be helped by Shepard, but in reality, she was ordered to "infiltrate" Shepard's Cerberus cell in order to help gather intel. This would open up a nice LI/conflict storyline for ME3.

[Badpie]

V-rex wrote...

Here's a topic to start this thread up again for another day:

Do you think Ash is the kind of person who would appreciate 'romantic gestures' and if so, what do you think they would be?

Personally I can't really see Ashley squealing with delight at a box of chocolates or jewelry but I still reckon she would be receptive to certain gestures. Not necessarily gifts.
I reckon she would appreciate a reading of the works of Tennyson and, possibly, a trip to some kind of exotic place. As people have pointed out before, Ash is more the kind of person who likes moments rather than things.
But still that's my opinion. What sayeth the rest of the group?

I don't think Ash is a romantic in the typical sense.  I don't think Shepard is either.  I think an offhand gift of a really great vintage weapon or a book of poetry she hasn't seen (like a book of Asari poetry or something) would really touch her.  I think she would appreciate small gestures that show a person really knows her and gets her.  And that could be anything - something very simple.

I think she'd always be up for a fun, adventurous trip someplace, but I see her relationship with my Shepard as less about romance and more about teamwork and being real and honest partners with each other.  I don't even think the words "I love you" come out of their mouths very often at all, though when they do it's a nice moment.

[Badpie]

Brodyaha wrote...

Guys, since you like Ashley, please post in the new VIrmire Survivor DLC Wishlist if you want to see some more character development through DLC.

http://social.biowar...3/index/4558663

Very nice.  I hope that doesn't get shut down right quick, though it may because a) they might not have anything like that in the works or they do, but all the decisions about it have already been made.  

Excellent thread in my opinion though.  Ash would be proud.

So in the interest of keeping this particularly about Ash I will pose another topic of discussion:

Do you think Ash ever smoked pot?  (just for fun question)

I think she did once, when she was 16 and her very short "rebellious" phase that really wasn't all that rebellious, but felt like it at the time.

[Raanz]

Badpie wrote...



Do you think Ash ever smoked pot?  (just for fun question)

I think she did once, when she was 16 and her very short "rebellious" phase that really wasn't all that rebellious, but felt like it at the time.

Depends if it is legal in the storyline.  If it's legal, it could go either way.  If not, I would agree with your statement.

[silverfoxIII]

Brodyaha wrote...

Guys, since you like Ashley, please post in the new VIrmire Survivor DLC Wishlist if you want to see some more character development through DLC.

http://social.biowar...3/index/4558663

Will do, back on topic, i really can see a Anderson/alliance dlc brigding the gap plus giving us ash back  we got force to work with cerberus at the start but as the game developed you start moving away, geting the crew loyal to you, taking full control of the ship , 'the illusive man can fire me if he doesn't like it' line, and 'joker lose this channel' plus the events of retribution, aka the anderson dlc.

Ash was obviously working under anderson orders in mass effect 2 and anderson did think about calling for your help in retribution, he still trust you so why not give us and mission to prove our loyality while under the supervision of a certain operations chief:D

[REMspace]

I agree with V-rex about Ashley. She is more the kind of person who likes moments rather than things.



I hope that Bioware decides to make a DLC dedicated to her, as it did for Liara. I think that It would be great to find Ashley like a teammate and alongside to Shepard, for continue their love story.

[SilverRose208]

Brodyaha wrote...

Guys, since you like Ashley, please post in the new VIrmire Survivor DLC Wishlist if you want to see some more character development through DLC.

http://social.biowar...3/index/4558663

Thanks for sharing the link and making the topic - definitely needed to be done. 

We have two years worth of unexplored time with Ashley - not to mention the other, not personal question marks surrounding her new role within the Alliance, her stance on the Reapers (if people ragequit after Shepard's posthumous discrediting, why would she stay - familial loyalty alone?),  and her hints at a professional relationship with Anderson.  I'd love to see at least part of these questions answered before heading into ME3.  I fear that there's a lot of loose ends to wrap up in one game, and I'd really like Shepard to have a chance to patch things up with the Alliance going into the final chapter so that we're not free agents or forced to work with Cerberus again in the last installment. 

And I'd also like a chance to romance my favorite Chief again... but that goes without saying.

[epoch_]

REMspace wrote...

I hope that Bioware decides to make a DLC dedicated to her, as it did for Liara. I think that It would be great to find Ashley like a teammate and alongside to Shepard, for continue their love story.

Since they're letting the liara fans continue their romance with liara, I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't get an Ash/Kaidan DLC so we could continue ours.

[VutaatVerd]

epoch_ wrote...

REMspace wrote...

I hope that Bioware decides to make a DLC dedicated to her, as it did for Liara. I think that It would be great to find Ashley like a teammate and alongside to Shepard, for continue their love story.

Since they're letting the liara fans continue their romance with liara, I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't get an Ash/Kaidan DLC so we could continue ours.

Hell Yea they better for the VS...also is should be like a 10-12 hour DLC. Yea you heard me Bioware I want a 10-12 hour DLC for the VS, just for how little they are in ME2's Cameo appearance

[REMspace]

Yes, you're right. It would be a shock if Bioware not decides to devote a DLC to Ashley and Kaidan. They deserve to have more space in ME3.



It would be great a nice 10-12 hours DLC of gameplay! I hope that Bioware will listen....



I dream a ME3 with the complete team of ME1.

[Funkcase]

REMspace wrote...

Yes, you're right. It would be a shock if Bioware not decides to devote a DLC to Ashley and Kaidan. They deserve to have more space in ME3.

It would be great a nice 10-12 hours DLC of gameplay! I hope that Bioware will listen....

I dream a ME3 with the complete team of ME1.

I honestly think 10 - 12 hours maybe pushing it, we will have to wait and see how long the Liara dlc is first I guess. Well we need to hear if we are actually getting something, but I seriously hope for something!

I think ME3 will be just the best if we get all the squad back and they all have a great role, enough with stupid cameos. Bring back Ash!

Modifié par Funkcase, 24 août 2010 - 09:58 .

[epoch_]

For $10, Liara's dlc better be 4 or 5 hours. If it is, I'll be happy. I'd also be happy with a mini 4-5 hours of VS themed episode.

[Giggles_Manically]

What and not milk the cash cow?

How shocking!

[epoch_]

I'd rather have intermediate dlc between major game releases, than wait 2 years with absolutely no new content whatsoever, but this is getting offtopic, and we should end the discussion soon.

[Kacynski]

Well, we shall see soon enough I guess, if BW has something in planning for VS. As they allways stated VS will play an important role in ME3, they might stick to it and have no DLC (as we will supposedly get plenty in ME3 anyway).
But in any case I hope there will be word from devs about it soon. Tell us if there is a DLC planned or if the story of the VS will be continued in ME3 only ..

Modifié par Kacynski, 24 août 2010 - 11:52 .

[epoch_]

Kacynski wrote...

But in any case I hope there will be word from devs about it soon. Tell us if there is a DLC planned or if the story of the VS will be continued in ME3 only ..

Now that would be something. Someone should pm a developer asking if they plan to ever do anything with Kaidan/Ashley in a DLC.

[Batlass8]

Funkcase wrote...


New topic:

What if ashley DID rejoin your sqaud in ME2? How do you think the romantic story would have played out, and would Ashley's abondonment of the Alliance to join Cerberus have changed your opinion of her?

I liked this question so much!!  And so I took the weekend to think about it...(read: forgive my long-winded response)

In the first place, I don't think Ashley would willingly join Cerberus, so the entire adventure would probably begin with Horizon being less of a success for Shepard, with more colonists being lost, and Ash being transported aboard the Normandy while unconscious or still paralyzed by the seeker swarms.  (At this point, my poor Shepard would probably have been mildly beside himself with worry, prompting either Mordin or Miranda to sedate him).  Once Ashley comes to, I can see her being incredibly irritated with Shepard for a) not contacting her, esentially kidnapping her, and c) joining up with Cerberus.  Although she'd be glad Shepard's alive, she'd also probably
request that he drop her off at the Citadel.  So, first conversation: uncomfortable for everyone, fails to address anything substantial beyond Ash's disapproval/disappointment.

Assuming that once back at the Citadel, Anderson sends Ashley with Shepard as a token of Alliance support (akin to being reinstated as a Spectre?), I think it would take a little while for her to relax around Shepard.  For her, it's
been two years, and the relationship they had was very different from the one Shep had with non LIs Garrus and Tali.  For this particular romance option, Shepard would really need to prove that he's essentially the same
person he was when Ash saw him last.  Even though he's now being bankrolled by Cerberus, his goals and morals are the same.  (In some respects, I'd like it if the plot was somehow tied to the Paragon/Renegade
score so that there could be consequences for Shepard doing a 180).  Anyway, early conversations with Ash should make it clear that she's uncomfortable around Shepard, but also that she might still be interested in
defining/salvaging their relationship.  

Since the entire focus of ME2 is winning the loyalty of the new squad, I think that Ash's personal mission could really have a lot of potential.  Ideally, I'dve liked for it to center on clearing her grandfather's name once
and for all.  After all, her family legacy has really shaped Ashley's life: from her choice of profession to the fact that she's secretly always worrying that everyone else is right and she really isn't good enough to deserve whatever it is she happens to want.  Maybe, in a plot twist similar to Jacob's she gets an email/communication/Cerberus mind-frak of some kind telling her that there's information exonerating her grandfather available in location X
that she can retrieve. 

After the requisite number of mercenaries/bad guys are done away with, Ash downloads the information, and discovers that her grandfather was ordered to surrender Shanxi to the turians.  At this point, the inevitable moral dilemma arises.  Either the order came from a single higher-up, in which case she has to decide whether or not she wants another family to endure what the Williams family has had to, or the order came from Alliance brass as a collectively ambiguous entity, which would make the Alliance seem a) weak, and very shifty, and not at all concerned with the well-being of its officers.  In the first scenario, the choice is fairly straightforward...subject someone else to suffering when the actual individual responsible may well be dead, or continue to serve as humanity's scapegoat and do what you can to convince them otherwise through your actions?  The second scenario thus strikes me as much more interesting, since Ash will be forced to choose between her family and the Alliance.  She holds the Alliance in very high regard, despite all that's happened to her family, and would be unwilling to damage it to the extent that this revelation might.  After all, humanity has newly joined the Council, and can't afford to seem untrustworthy.  However, it's still her family we're talking about here.  I doubt that Ashley would have an easy time letting her family continue to pay the price when there’s an explanation out there, regardless of the consequences to the Alliance.

Regardless of the scenario/decision she makes, Ashley would be grateful for Shepard’s help, and would probably realize that his dedication to his crew’s well-being is a holdover from ME1!Shep’s personality, regardless of Cerberus rebuilding/affiliation.  At that point, she would be willing to talk more to Shepard about how she felt when he died…and I’m willing to bet she wouldn’t be able to keep from asking questions, to see if he remembered what the afterlife was like/if there was one.  (Honestly, I don’t know why more people didn’t
ask Shepard this one…at least Mordin, I mean, c’mon, intellectual curiosity much?)  All in all, I think Ash would
want to take things slowly, but that Shepard could eventually bring her around, making the night before the trip through the Mu Re—Omega 4 Relay a chance for a real conversation.  And a chance for Ash to make a joke about Shepley’s hormonally-driven handling of certain death situations. 

And since this entire scenario is entirely hypothetical, and I can have whatever I want in it, I’d like some sort of post-suicide mission conversation between Ash and Shepard in which they discuss their relationship/its potential future.  Her feelings for Shepard aside, I don’t think Ash will (or should) ever warm up to Cerberus.  She’s seen too much of what they think is best for humanity to agree with their methods.  So, if Shepard chooses to keep the Reaper/stay with Cerberus, Ashley will probably opt not to keep Shepard.  At least as an LI. 



Just my two cents on the question…see why it took me a whole weekend?

Modifié par Batlass8, 25 août 2010 - 05:35 .

[Kacynski]

Batlass8 wrote...

(snip some great text)
...  At that point, she would be willing to talk more to Shepard about how she felt when he died…and I’m willing to bet she wouldn’t be able to keep from asking questions, to see if he remembered what the afterlife was like/if there was one.  (Honestly, I don’t know why more people didn’t
ask Shepard this one…at least Mordin, I mean, c’mon, intellectual curiosity much?)  All in all, I think Ash would
want to take things slowly, but that Shepard could eventually bring her around, making the night before the trip through the Mu Re—Omega 4 Relay a chance for a real conversation.  And a chance for Ash to make a joke about Shepley’s hormonally-driven handling of certain death situations. 

And since this entire scenario is entirely hypothetical, and I can have whatever I want in it, I’d like some sort of post-suicide mission conversation between Ash and Shepard in which they discuss their relationship/its potential future.  Her feelings for Shepard aside, I don’t think Ash will (or should) ever warm up to Cerberus.  She’s seen too much of what they think is best for humanity to agree with their methods.  So, if Shepard chooses to keep the Reaper/stay with Cerberus, Ashley will probably opt not to keep Shepard.  At least as an LI. 



Just my two cents on the question…see why it took me a whole weekend?

Wow, that's a lot more than 2 cts

I like your ideas, especially the ones in the paragraphs I kept quoting. The joke about Shepards hormons would so perfectly fit the situation and Ash's personality, it makes me even mourn more that we can't have Ash as a teammate in ME2!
I also like your idea about Ash asking Shepard about the death experience. I have never been thinking about it, but as you mention it now, I also wonder why this is never brought up by anybody.
I also definitly agree with your last point, that if Shepard doesn't tell TIM to go to hell after the suicide mission, Ash would pretty much part ways with Shepard. Oh man, what great drama we are missing by not having Ash in ME2

I cannot come up with a better idea on how Ash could have joined the crew, maybe I just add that Anderson would have told Ash, that Shepard was indeed asking him about her, but he was not giving any information because he was not so sure about Shepards Cerberus-connection. This would make the first steps of re-establishing the relationship maybe a bit easier (and think about the consequences if Shepard did not ask Anderson ^^)

[REMspace]

epoch_ wrote...

For $10, Liara's dlc better be 4 or 5 hours. If it is, I'll be happy. I'd also be happy with a mini 4-5 hours of VS themed episode.

You're right, 4 or 5 hours of gameplay would be nice for a DLC. Unfortunately I think the Liara DLC will last one hour of play.

[IndigoWolfe]

So, the Liara DLC is called Lair Of The Shadow Broker.



What should Virmire Survivor DLC be called?



I'm rooting for "Chain Of Command".

[V-rex]

I actually reckon 'Virmire Survivor' sounds good enough.

Although if I had to pick maybe 'Old loyalties'.

By the way, since this page seems to lack one:



I demand a lot of these in any form of DLC featuring Ashley.

Modifié par V-rex, 26 août 2010 - 04:29 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Wow, Batlass... that has to be one of the best WOTs I've seen in a long time.

[Batlass8]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Wow, Batlass... that has to be one of the best WOTs I've seen in a long time.

Lol, thanks...it was a VERY rainy weekend.