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[Lord Zeuss]

Characters in ME1 had more lengthy conversations, I think, than their counterparts in ME2. I can't think of a single convo in ME2 that was as long as Ashley and Shepard's talk about Ash's sisters, mom, and dad. That's still one of my favorites ever.

[Funkcase]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Characters in ME1 had more lengthy conversations, I think, than their counterparts in ME2. I can't think of a single convo in ME2 that was as long as Ashley and Shepard's talk about Ash's sisters, mom, and dad. That's still one of my favorites ever.

Yeah, that has got to be the best conversation in ME1 and 2, imo. I think it's roughfully eight or nine minutes long, and you learn so much about Ash in that one little conversation, Ash and Kaidan also have the most conversations, and the longest conversations out of everybody in ME1 and 2, and imo, the best.

[V-rex]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Characters in ME1 had more lengthy conversations, I think, than their counterparts in ME2. I can't think of a single convo in ME2 that was as long as Ashley and Shepard's talk about Ash's sisters, mom, and dad. That's still one of my favorites ever.

That is true actually. On average a conversation in the original Mass Effect was very chunky and full of content and it also had long branching paths so sometimes you find yourself hearing snippets of dialogue you plain didn't know existed just because you chose a different option on the dialogue tree.
Plus that huge sisters/Mike/family/poetry/father/faith conversation with Ashley lasts roughly about seven minutes and 16 seconds. What's really impressive is that I later saw a compilation of all the romance dialogues of "A Character*" in Mass Effect 2 and all of them combined (from the conversation after her loylty mission to the romance scene itself) last exactly eight minutes. And that's counting the fan made openings and closings.

It's incredible the difference in levels of characterization between Ashley and... "A Character" because in just one conversation with Ashley you learn so much more about her then you do with "A Character" in three conversations AND a romance scene. Really from where I stand, on a purely dialogue standpoint, Ashley had more depth in conversations then "A Character" did because Ashley's was more about tension and getting to know each other and bonding on an emotional level whereas "A Character's" was really just about sex, with feelings for each other already established.

I reckon it's because they animated the dialogue scenes. Now when a certain line gets spoken a character will casually stroll to the opposite side of the room and so there's not much chance for branching paths in the conversation because that could potentially result in animation loops.

Just my view anyway, I do agree that there was characterization to be found in the Loyalty missions but I think the game needed to balance character development in both long detailed conversations and actual real world experiences.
I reckon that could work in Mass Effect 3. Give Ash a loyalty mission and long amounts of dialogue and you have yourself a fleshed out romance.

[Lord Zeuss]

Brodyaha wrote...

V-rex wrote...
Really from where I stand, on a purely dialogue standpoint, Ashley had more depth in conversations then "A Character" did because Ashley's was more about tension and getting to know each other and bonding on an emotional level whereas "A Character's" was really just about sex, with feelings for each other already established.
Just my view anyway, I do agree that there was characterization to be found in the Loyalty missions but I think the game needed to balance character development in both long detailed conversations and actual real world experiences.
I reckon that could work in Mass Effect 3. Give Ash a loyalty mission and long amounts of dialogue and you have yourself a fleshed out romance.

I can definitely see your point about the romances not being up to par.  Although I think the transition dialogue for Garrus' romance was awesomely executed, it was jarring when I was talking to Thane and one of the next dialogue options was, "I want you, Thane."  I was thinking, "I just went from talking about your dead wife who you're still pining for to having a potential romance with you?!" (Or maybe not pining, it could've just been the solipism thing...)
Garrus' made sense, because there would be that emotional bond remaining from ME1.
I never wanted to talk to Jacob because my FemShep sounded like she was immediately coming on to him.  (*Cue sultry voice*): "I'm more interested in just talking...for a bit."
I haven't played as an MShep far enough in ME2 to see how the dialogues go in the romance department, so I can't comment.
Other character development was overall excellent, however.  Just my opinion.
Sorry if that's a tad off-topic.  I would comment on Ashley's romance if I wasn't too busy playing as a FemShep.

There's always time to start.

[V-rex]

Indeed there is, and let me tell ya:

Ash is worth it.

[Giggles_Manically]

That pic is from the Admiral inspecting the normandy right?

Hate that guy.

[PrinceLionheart]

Part of what made Ash's romance special to me was how it also integrated so much into the story. You have that chance to flirt with her on the Citadel, the conflict of whether or not to save her on Virmire, and Ash actually dropping her Tough Girl image to cheer you up after the Citadel put the Normandy on lockdown. I mean, I really just love how supportive she was throughout the game, and how this was one of the few romances where you could define your Shep as well; his religious beliefs, his feelings based off his service history, and his political stance when it comes to Aliens.

Ash is worth it. 

[Lord Zeuss]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Part of what made Ash's romance special to me was how it also integrated so much into the story. You have that chance to flirt with her on the Citadel, the conflict of whether or not to save her on Virmire, and Ash actually dropping her Tough Girl image to cheer you up after the Citadel put the Normandy on lockdown. I mean, I really just love how supportive she was throughout the game, and how this was one of the few romances where you could define your Shep as well; his religious beliefs, his feelings based off his service history, and his political stance when it comes to Aliens.

Ash is worth it. 

Never a truer word spoken.

[Funkcase]

Brodyaha wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Part of what made Ash's romance special to me was how it also integrated so much into the story. You have that chance to flirt with her on the Citadel, the conflict of whether or not to save her on Virmire, and Ash actually dropping her Tough Girl image to cheer you up after the Citadel put the Normandy on lockdown. I mean, I really just love how supportive she was throughout the game, and how this was one of the few romances where you could define your Shep as well; his religious beliefs, his feelings based off his service history, and his political stance when it comes to Aliens.

Ash is worth it. 

That's what I like about talking with her.  It was cool with my Spacer Shep how we'd talk about being a military family.
She actually got me reading Tennyson.

I was a military brat growing up and it's tradition in my family too, so obviously I loved them talks with her, not only could my Shepard relate to her, so could I. And yeah, Ash got me into reading Tennyson aswell, well tbh, Ash got me into poetry!

Modifié par Funkcase, 28 août 2010 - 09:11 .

[KendallX23]

poetry..hmm..i am more into Sun Tzu....u think Ash would like The Art of War ?

[Funkcase]

KendallX23 wrote...

poetry..hmm..i am more into Sun Tzu....u think Ash would like The Art of War ?

You didn't need to even ask, I'm sure she would, or atleast her dad or grandfather would have most likely.

Modifié par Funkcase, 28 août 2010 - 11:07 .

[DroneSlayer]

Batlass8 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...


New topic:

What if ashley DID rejoin your sqaud in ME2?  would Ashley's  to join Cerberus have changed your opinion of her?

I liked this question so much!!  And so I took the weekend to think about it...(read: forgive my long-winded response)
...
So, if Shepard chooses to keep the Reaper/stay with Cerberus, Ashley will probably opt not to keep Shepard.  At least as an LI. 

Just my two cents on the question…see why it took me a whole weekend?

That sir is one of the , if not THE, best reply on these forums that I ever had the privilage to read ,
it even made me go and look for my old password , login and make this reply  =)

Im amazed this didnt end up in the game in the first place, or as a dlc
Sorry for the late reply , I was about 100 pages behind when it was posted

[FireEye]

Ashley is awesome, just stopping in to say.



... that is all. 

[Aedral]

I love Ashley, her character is the most intriguing in all of Bioware's games in my opinion. She is a Marine through and through and always sticks to her guns. I remember when talking to her in ME1 she says that the Williams girls are a spirited bunch and will only do things when they are ready to do them, that meaning she will only ever do what she believes is right at all times and damn the consequences.

To answer Funkcases question, initially I would have been happy to have Ash back on my team, but after the initial joy I would realize that would essentially be character suicide in the long run, BW spent all of ME1 building up her character as an individual and for her to compromise herself to join Cerberus, after her seeing all that Cerberus does to people and then in her eyes and then she sees Shepard working with them (with all the information she has at her disposal), its just not realistic.

In the end... Ash is worth it, no matter how long the wait

Modifié par Aedral, 29 août 2010 - 07:43 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Aedral wrote...

I love Ashley, her character is the most intriguing in all of Bioware's games in my opinion. She is a Marine through and through and always sticks to her guns. I remember when talking to her in ME1 she says that the Williams girls are a spirited bunch and will only do things when they are ready to do them, that meaning she will only ever do what she believes is right at all times and damn the consequences.

To answer Funkcases question, initially I would have been happy to have Ash back on my team, but after the initial joy I would realize that would essentially be character suicide in the long run, BW spent all of ME1 building up her character as an individual and for her to compromise herself to join Cerberus, after her seeing all that Cerberus does to people and then in her eyes and then she sees Shepard working with them (with all the information she has at her disposal), its just not realistic.

In the end... Ash is worth it, no matter how long the wait

Bravo!

[Batlass8]

IMHO, 12 hours is too long without lively discussion of everyone's favorite member of the Alliance military.  So I will presume to offer a topic for discussion. 

If your Shepard could have replied to Ash's email, what would he have written?  If you didn't romance Ash and thus didn't get an email, what should Ash's friend-mail have said?  Bonus challenge: brevity is the soul of wit, keep the email under 200 words!

For those of us without perfect memories, the text of the email Ashley sends Shepard can be found here, almost at the bottom of the page: http://masseffect.wi...Ashley_Williams

As is my wont, I am going to take a few hours/days/weeks to mull this over before posting my own response. 

[V-rex]

http://www.fanfictio.../1/Re_hey_there
I read this piece of fan fiction a while back and it kind of at least summarized my mindset of the situation between Ash and Shep.

I can't really think fully what I would have Shepard type if I could make him type but I know that he would at first apologize for seeming so emotionless when they met and he would certainly go into greater depths in explaining the whole Cerberus thing.
He would also, as the fan fiction described, explain that he hasn't changed at all and that even if she has over the years he is still convinced that some of who she was remains and he is eager to get to know her all over again once things have settled.
Of course, he would wait until after the suicide mission to tell her the most important thing in the message, but in the meantime he would make a reference to some form of old poetry. A gesture which I think she would find touching.

Edit: When I think of exactly what I would want him to say, I will post it. For now though, these are the basic points I would have him make.

Modifié par V-rex, 30 août 2010 - 01:24 .

[jlb524]

Brodyaha wrote...

FemShep friendship response:

Dear Ashley,
Sorry I haven't replied back sooner. I can't say much, Cerberus is monitoring my account. I hope you're reading this from a public terminal.
Thanks for introducing me to Tennyson.
I hope your sisters are okay.
I know you can't comprehend the circumstances of the damn situation, and neither can I, on many days. I hope we get a chance to talk about it soon. I'm going to admit, with the mission I'm going on...I might not get the chance.
God Bless,
Shepard.

I really like that...I wish I could have sent her something like that in the game.  <_<

[drunken pyromaniac]

It's a little quiet in here so I'm going to post one of my favorite Ash pics.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 30 août 2010 - 08:08 .