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[Dave of Canada]

shotgun-shepard wrote...

Naw Brody, he's just taking the chance to kill two birds with one stone, that is stare at two great butts at one time. Thats why he stays back. If you use flycam, he is smirking...I don't blame him as a chick straight as a helix ruler, even I noticed Ash's hind!

So he's also smirking at my Male Shep... I see.. *ponders*

[LessThanKate]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

So how does any of you feel about getting screwed over again in the Liara DLC?

Not surprised. Liara is pretty much the little-miss-perfect of the Mass Effect universe. You know she'll be getting a lot of content in ME3 simply because she's the only companion that can't die. All other romances and such... probably less.

This is seems as good a place as any to jump in.

I don't want to agree with that statement. I want to believe all the characters will get their fair share. But I can't help feel that way. Can't help feel Liara's a favorite and will be an intergal part of the story and it will be...encouraged to like her (it was odd that my Renegade, treat-almost-everyone-like-crap Shep had to say "Any friend of yours is a friend of mine").

I don't dislike Liara, she just...doesn't do anything for me.

Anyway...

Sort of new here. Been lurking for a while in search of interesting opinions, haven't done the forum thing in quite some time...but I enjoy this series like no other, haven't felt so...emerged in a game in a while. And I started thinking I wouldn't much care for Ashley; I thought, like some people insist, that she would beat me over the head with her prejudice. But I got to know her--eventually romancing her with my second Shepard--and I've really come to like her. To be frank, I think she's among the better female game characters, a good role model even, and it's a shame few will ever get over her reasonable flaws.

In light of the new DLC, as much as I enjoyed it and I truly did, there was one tiny thing that annoyed me. I didn't like that the only mention of Ash/Kaiden was in a renegade response, how "my closest friend doesn't believe me" and Liara indirectly says he/she is shortsighted. All I wanted was one little line implying my Shepard was still holding out for Ash, that he still cared. Just one. All the other love interests got it, even if they came after a relationship with Liara. How does she not see the picture on the desk? She was right next to it...I guess it's semantics, but I always appreciate the small touches.

So yeah, hi and stuff. 

[LessThanKate]

Brodyaha wrote...

QFT.

Mentioning Ash/Kaid was poignant.  On the one hand, they were mentioned!  Yay!  More than I expected.  Except it was regarding the Horizon situation, so...it was a negative reference.  And Liara asks questions more indepth about the ME2 romances, in the DLC, but no indepth questions about the ME1 romances (play as a faithful, then play with a ME2 romance and scutinize the end dialogue Liara asks).

Thank you.

Yeah, I played LotSB as my female Shepard first, and as soon as I heard, "A chance to give Garrus some peace?", I assumed every love interest was getting a line. So shortly afterward I fired it up again with my dude Shep, expecting Liara to say something about Ashley. I explored all possible dialogue options and just thought..."That's it?". The only mention she gets is as a friend who doesn't see the big picture...I didn't like that there's no implication that Shepard still has feelings for the VS, and it gave this...subtle feeling that Liara cared/understood more than Ash/Kaiden do. I half expected Liara to say, "She doesn't understand you, Shepard! I do! We belong together!"

So now I'm expecting the Virmire Survivor to get his/her time to shine at some point in the future. Maybe through DLC, maybe we'll have to wait until ME3 for the payoff. I can wait.

[Mike2640]

Well I think the best way to look at it for now is that Ash and Shep are "on a break", sad to say. Their last meeting didn't go well and they haven't really talked in two years. They're taking time to figure out where they stand in the universe (Shep especially) and how they see each other.

It's not that the DLC ignored the relationship, it just would just seem kind of odd if Shep spoke of fighting for Ashley when she might not want him fighting for her anyway. That's why i'm thinking that if they do a VS DLC then they might give you the option of ending the relationship amicably, in that Shep and Ash both decide they're not the same people they were before and part ways. Not that I will.

Modifié par Mike2640, 13 septembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[SilverRose208]

It would have felt forced to me, honestly, if Liara had said something about Ash being Shep's girlfriend - or anything along those lines. There're definitely uncertainty in their relationship following Horizon. As I see it, "close friend" means something much different than "teammate" - which also could have been used.

[LessThanKate]

Fair enough. I wasn't expecting, or really wanting something mushy, just more of an acknowledgment that Shepard still cared...but I suppose "close friend" is the most realistic way of putting it.

[PrinceLionheart]

Lizardviking wrote...

Just asked the same question in the Kaidan support thread.

So how does any of you feel about getting screwed over again in the Liara DLC?

I don't think that they've necessarily been screwed over, but I really think Bioware has dropped the ball so far when it comes to Ashley and Kaidan. From their mirror image dialogue on Horizon and their reconcilliation being given in email forum, it almost feels like Bioware are actively discouraging this romance, which is a shame since Ashley as thus far had the most organic romance in the series IMHO.

I'm holding out hope that there will be an Ashley/Kaidan DLC. Maybe focusing on a mission with the Alliance. From their it can start tying into Redemption where you learn that Anderson resigned from his position and you can finally meet Admiral Hackett.

[VutaatVerd]

Happy Monday All I come baring a new SS of our favorite Alliance Marine enjoy.

Also, Who or what do you think Ash is looking at?

Modifié par VutaatVerd, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Raanz]

For all of the reasons some of you have mentioned, I feel there will be an Alliance DLC featuring the survivor.

Not much of a mention in dossiers, not much of a mention from Liara in the captain's quarters with Shepard, all point to something bigger planned for them in the form of dlc. Of course, that is just my opinion, but one I feel strongly about.

There is a huge hole in the story concerning the Alliance, Cerberus and Shepard's involvement in both. I believe this will be resolved before ME3.

[Dave of Canada]

SilverRose208 wrote...

It would have felt forced to me, honestly, if Liara had said something about Ash being Shep's girlfriend - or anything along those lines. There're definitely uncertainty in their relationship following Horizon. As I see it, "close friend" means something much different than "teammate" - which also could have been used.

But wouldn't something along the lines of say...

[Liara looks at the Ashley picture]
"I see you've still got a picture of her... even after all she said on Horizon..." .

... work out? I mean, it's simple and short without confirming how you feel on the romance itself. If you hate her guts after Horizon, you've still got a picture of her on your table and it can mean anything from romance / friendship / old times / your previous life. It's still a nod to the people who did stay faithful and would've given at least a little bit of hope to the Ash fans (Kaidan too!).

I mean... Ashley is my "canon" Shep's romance but it's getting hard to hold out.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 septembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[SilverRose208]

Dave of Canada wrote...
But wouldn't something along the lines of say...

[Liara looks at the Ashley picture]
"I see you've still got a picture of her... even after all she said on Horizon..." .

Frankly, I would have not preferred that. 

I'm in the camp that Shepard was the only one who said anything wrong on Horizon, not Ash - and he can be hurt by what happened, but anything that starts going into detail or placing blame is bad territory for me.  Ash and Shep have a lot of talking that needs to happen and a lot of things to sort out, but it needs to happen between them, and it's not really Liara's business - at least in how my Shep views things.  I also don't think Ash would appreciate Shep gossiping about their private lives to Liara without getting a chance to clear the air with her first. 

Liara's might be a small mention, but it was a mention - and what's more, I felt it was an appropriate one.

Yes, there's a metagaming concern that Ash and Kaidan haven't had much recognition from BioWare to date, but I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.  The Liara DLC proved that there are storylines at play and BioWare has a defined arc that they want to tell.  Horizon was awful, but if it's part of some great content to come, that's fine with me.  If Ash gest written out of ME3 (highly unlikely) or gets relegated to a 5 minute cameo with no romance conclusion (also highly unlikely, imo), then I think we've got reason to gripe.

The faithful will be rewarded.  Chin up. 

[ADLegend21]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Frankly, I would have not preferred that. 

I'm in the camp that Shepard was the only one who said anything wrong on Horizon, not Ash - and he can be hurt by what happened, but anything that starts going into detail or placing blame is bad territory for me.  Ash and Shep have a lot of talking that needs to happen and a lot of things to sort out, but it needs to happen between them, and it's not really Liara's business - at least in how my Shep views things.  I also don't think Ash would appreciate Shep gossiping about their private lives to Liara without getting a chance to clear the air with her first. 

Liara's might be a small mention, but it was a mention - and what's more, I felt it was an appropriate one.

Yes, there's a metagaming concern that Ash and Kaidan haven't had much recognition from BioWare to date, but I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.  The Liara DLC proved that there are storylines at play and BioWare has a defined arc that they want to tell.  Horizon was awful, but if it's part of some great content to come, that's fine with me.  If Ash gest written out of ME3 (highly unlikely) or gets relegated to a 5 minute cameo with no romance conclusion (also highly unlikely, imo), then I think we've got reason to gripe.

The faithful will be rewarded.  Chin up. 

Um...what? If "sorry I was dead but Cerberus brought me back to life and so I'm helping them stop the collectors who are attacking colonies like this one" then I damn sure don't want to be right. Ash calls Shepard a traitor just because they're working with a sketchy group that did their damndest to Bring them back to life after they died while the Alliance sat on their ass and said K.I.A and covered up what they risked their life for, and is the only one trying to help the terminus colonies while again the alliance sits on their asses but that's not wrong? Hell even garrus (and tali with some modding) are hleping Shepard and ask ashely why she cant use reasoning to see that Cerberus is in the right and that shes letting her bias against them cloud her judgement, but Shepard is the bad guy on Horizon?

I do agree that they need to talk things out, but Ashley clearly over reacted onHorizon and blew up on Shepard without the full story.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I'm in the camp of them both being wrong on Horizon. They both could have handled it much better and parted on better terms.

Ash essentially called Shepard a traitor, which is akin in my mind to calling someone a rapist, pedophile, or racist. It's just something you don't do unless you're absolutely sure.Still, it's somewhat understandable in that she's just encountered a man she cared deeply for and is now working for an organization known to commit horrific atrocities.

Shepard on the other hand just sat there like a stone and made no real effort to explain himself. He could've said a hundred things that would've made the situation better imo.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 13 septembre 2010 - 09:00 .

[Dave of Canada]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Shepard on the other hand just sat there like a stone and made no real effort to explain himself. He could've said a hundred things that would've made the situation better imo.

My Shepard pretty much told her he was dead for the past two years, Cerberus brought him back to fight the Collectors that are working with the Reapers. There wasn't much to add, that was pretty much the whole story and even Garrus was like "You're blinded by hatred!" and stuff.

[drunken pyromaniac]

It's not that he didn't explain the situation. He didn't explain his reasons for continuing to work with Cerberus. He never explains his side of it. It's just jarring because Shepard is usually so eloquent.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 13 septembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Is it just me or does Liara not comment about Ashley if she's my LI? My Sheploo is loyal to Ashley but I don't remember Liara saying anything about that when I invited her.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I believe you have to pick the renegade option when Liara asks about how Shepard is feeling to get a comment about Ashley or Kaidan.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Noticed people are talking about who was "wrong" on Horizon and I felt like I should comment.

You have to remember that TIM leaked false evidence to the alliance about Shepard. Intel that likely suggested serveral things.

A: That Shepard faked his own death two years ago so he could join Cerberus. Even Vasir think this is the case when you have beaten her in LOTSB.
B: That Ceberus (and therefor Shepard) is behind the missing colonies. Granted this idea get's shot down once you freed her.

So basicly. For all the VS knew. Shepard is a traitor who faked his death two years ago so he could go slip under the radar and join the most wanted human terroist group. I don't blame them not believing Shepard.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I don't really blame the VS for acting how he/she did. I just think both Ash/Kaidan and Shepard could've handled the encounter better. I would think Shepard had earned some slack from the VS, especially if they were romanced. I also think Shepard did a horrible job of explaining himself and his actions, he just stood there.

[VutaatVerd]

Lizardviking wrote...

Noticed people are talking about who was "wrong" on Horizon and I felt like I should comment.

You have to remember that TIM leaked false evidence to the alliance about Shepard. Intel that likely suggested serveral things.

A: That Shepard faked his own death two years ago so he could join Cerberus. Even Vasir think this is the case when you have beaten her in LOTSB.
B: That Ceberus (and therefor Shepard) is behind the missing colonies. Granted this idea get's shot down once you freed her.

So basicly. For all the VS knew. Shepard is a traitor who faked his death two years ago so he could go slip under the radar and join the most wanted human terroist group. I don't blame them not believing Shepard.

I can agree to this. I still blame T.I.M. the most, then Shepard for having a stick up his ares. VS is the last people I blame for anything other than not having more faith in Shepard. Shepard will always do what he thinks is best for Humanity/Galaxy even it that means working for Cerberus.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think everything is fine after the post-Horizon email, really.

[RPGmom28]

Question regarding the VS: Has anyone ever romanced someone in ME1, and then chosen the other person to live on Virmire instead- then gone on to ME2 with that saved character and spoken with the VS on Horizon? I was wondering if it would be mentioned by Shepard as a plea to the survivor that he/she gave up their LI to save the person and still wasn't trusted.