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[VutaatVerd]

Funkcase wrote...

''I dont need money, a knight in shining armor or a man to make me happy, this is who i am....i like her *with a smile* and you best too''

That is in the second or third talk with Ashley I know it is not the first talk even after a few side missions as that is the concerned about Aliens on the ship. Video is below, but I have not added it to the OP yet

[IndigoWolfe]

You know I was thinking; how would Ashley's life --and therefore her character-- have changed if General Williams had held out to the bitter end on Shanxi?

[Giggles_Manically]

VutaatVerd wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

''I dont need money, a knight in shining armor or a man to make me happy, this is who i am....i like her *with a smile* and you best too''

That is in the second or third talk with Ashley I know it is not the first talk even after a few side missions as that is the concerned about Aliens on the ship. Video is below, but I have not added it to the OP yet

Not to nitpick but the voice over did not match the lip movement at all in that video.

[VutaatVerd]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

VutaatVerd wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

''I dont need money, a knight in shining armor or a man to make me happy, this is who i am....i like her *with a smile* and you best too''

That is in the second or third talk with Ashley I know it is not the first talk even after a few side missions as that is the concerned about Aliens on the ship. Video is below, but I have not added it to the OP yet

Not to nitpick but the voice over did not match the lip movement at all in that video.

Yea my last two have started to do that (mostly on long videos) I may need to break the video up. This is why I have not also posted the video to the OP.

[Funkcase]

Yeah it is the second one, the first is when you ask her how she is feeling about Eden Prime, it aint the second conversation with Ash, but it is the secound one on the Normandy.

Modifié par Funkcase, 01 octobre 2010 - 04:30 .

[VutaatVerd]

Funkcase wrote...

Yeah it is the second one, the first is when you ask her how she is feeling about Eden Prime, it aint the second conversation with Ash, but it is the secound one on the Normandy.

Yes and no at the same time, it depends on how you order it. in mine that would be the third or forth conversation here is why. As soon as I received command of the Normandy I went to talk to her (41 second vid below) and she talked about Eden Prime/Squad/Geth, after doing a few side missions and no Primary missions I talked to her a second time and she talked about the aliens on the ship (video in previous post above.) At this point I wish I could remember more, but I have not had the time to play ME1 for some time and continue after the Alien conversation. If that is the next conversation it would be the third for me, but I think Family Audio (Sarah) is the next conversation to be had with Ashley. The "I dont need money, a knight in shining armor or a man to make me happy, this is who i am....i like her *with a smile* and you best too" I think is closer to the end (second to last or last) after you choose Ashley as your LI over Liara.



*edit*
Also my Xfire videos are all in order and have not seen that one come up yet as I have not played that far in ME1.
http://www.xfire.com...eos/masseffect/
Videos are listed as newest first.

Modifié par VutaatVerd, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:13 .

[Flamewielder]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

You know I was thinking; how would Ashley's life --and therefore her character-- have changed if General Williams had held out to the bitter end on Shanxi?

Not sure... but her career would have involved a lot less crap assignements. She might have lost some of the steel and resolve her family backgound demanded of her, having to be better than the best and still get no recognition.
It definitely says something about her motivations for remaining in the Alliance: unlike Jacob, who wanted to do good to make a difference, Ash does good for its own sake, without any hope for recognition or acknowledgement.

[sagefic]

Hi all. In looking forward to ME3 and (hopefully!) VS DLC, i was working on a fanvid. i really want screen capture of ashley on horizon (intro to horizon), but i lost my only save with ash and really don't want to play all that way just for a short screen capture. anyone happen to have a suggestion? i was thinking of seeing if i could download a save game file and char for that part and then just load it up and play that piece (i have fraps to do the capture, just need that part of the game) any ideas?

[Jenova65]

 Hey, Ashley fans, friendly bump from KAST

[V-rex]

Thanks Jenovah, it's always nice to know we have friends

[Quaay]

Hello Ash thread! I've never gotten my soldier ally achievement or been renegade in ME1 so I'm currently working on a maleShep playthrough to get those. Since I'll be spending a lot of time with Ashley I thought it would be a good time to finally romance her. Are any of you renegade and does that seem to fit with her personality? I feel like he's such a jerk sometimes so I don't know if he'll be right for her.

[chris025657]

Funkcase wrote...


''I dont need money, a knight in shining armor or a man to make me happy, this is who i am....i like her *with a smile* and you best too''

Sorry to nitpick, but Ashley says the line a bit differently:

"I don't need a shoulder to cry on, a knight to rescue me, or a man to make me happy. This is who I am. I like her. And you better like her too. "

It's one of my favorite Ash lines that shows her independence and sense of identity. 

[LessThanKate]

Quaay wrote...

Hello Ash thread! I've never gotten my soldier ally achievement or been renegade in ME1 so I'm currently working on a maleShep playthrough to get those. Since I'll be spending a lot of time with Ashley I thought it would be a good time to finally romance her. Are any of you renegade and does that seem to fit with her personality? I feel like he's such a jerk sometimes so I don't know if he'll be right for her.

That's pretty much how I went about it. My original Shepard was a good girl who stayed single in the first game, then chafed it up in the second game. So for the secod Shepard I made, to get the most of my experience, I did almost the opposite--a manly man who didn't follow the rules and stayed faithful to his lady. I think part of why I decided to romance Ashley with a (mostly) Renegade Shepard was remembering she didn't agree with my first decision to free the rachni, so I'd make one who killed them instead...Didn't really account for the long run, since the Renegade is someone who mostly agrees with Cerberus, which Ashley hates, but...we'll see how that plays out.

Granted, he wasn't 100% Renegade. My original plan was "be a dick to everyone but Ashley" but...I couldn't help it. Even as a Renegade, I was still generally nice to my crew and let...most of my victims go...probably should've just killed Rana and Helena. Being bad just doesn't come naturally to me.

I do often get curious about romancing her as a Paragon. Sometimes I think about going back to ME1 and either switching alignments or going full out badass. What started as just...experimenting became very enjoyable. If anyone knows exactly how many Charm points needed to convince Ash that aliens are okay, please tell me. I'd really rather not make a new Shepard, though, seems...odd.

Still, I don't regret my choice to be Renegade. My thinking is, honestly, Ashley is the most able to handle a bad boy out of all the ME women. She doesn't need anyone's approval--Tali and Liara (to an extent) are too sweet for a Renegade, Jack doesn't need another bad influence in her life, and Miranda...well, I don't care what she needs, sorry 

So I think you'd be fine as long as you're not a complete jerk to her. You can still enjoy her stories and support her while crushing all who stand in your way and hanging up on the Council. Besides, Renegade options can...sometimes be more fun...I always liked how, when she asks me if I'm still interested, "baggage and all", I can respond, "I like a challenge".

I always wanted my Renegade Shep to say to her, "Ooh, you're fiesty. I like fiesty." Guess I'll have to settle for, "You still sassin' me, soldier?"

I know I'm rambling, but I remember one other line of hers I liked. Once she and Shep are...established, towards the end of a conversation she says something like, "I have a feeling things will come to a head soon. But don't worry, Commander, I'll protect you." I just like the role reversal. It was especially appropriate since I romanced her as a Sentinel.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Elite Midget]

It's still sad that many think so little of Ashley or believe she's just a racist. Hard being an Ashley fan, and having her as my Shepards canon LI, when there's so much hate directed at her. Still, would have been interesting if they had kept her a LI option for females as well instead of removing it in favor of Liara being the only multi LI in ME1.

[LessThanKate]

Elite Midget wrote...

It's still sad that many think so little of Ashley or believe she's just a racist. Hard being an Ashley fan, and having her as my Shepards canon LI, when there's so much hate directed at her. Still, would have been interesting if they had kept her a LI option for females as well instead of removing it in favor of Liara being the only multi LI in ME1.

I prefer to play it straight (hurr hurr), and while I am all about men myself--I would much rather lezz out with Ashley than Liara.

And as much as it breaks my heart that there's so much unjustified, hypocritical hatred there for a character I've really come to like, at the same time it is rather funny how her haters prove how ass-backwards people can be when trying to be PC.

I mean, people get so offended that she doesn't immediately trust the aliens as though they know better. As though if they had lived with racism, they automatically would've risen above the influence. We look back on our hisory and it seems so obvious, yet when you're actually living in that time...it's hard to escape the majority.

Best example I can think of...if she were in a movie that took place shortly after WWII. She's an American, and doesn't trust the Japanese. Is it right? Of course not. But don't act like you're the one person that foresaw the two countries becoming allies in the future. It's not fair to judge her when these beliefs are being pressed on her, when those wounds of war are still healing.

I see a lot of people (girls) who adore Garrus and seem to hate Ashley on principle. Breaks my heart because I love them both; they may actually be my top two. I can bet most of those girls wouldn't think twice about a turian being hateful towards humans. Actually, I know they wouldn't, since a lot of them like Saren, too.

Another blatant example of hypocrisy is when they accuse her of predjudice yet call her a "Bible thumper" when--while it would be a safe guess that she's Christian--makes no direct reference to the Bible. And this is aside from the fact that this idea that while you can't judge people according to race, you're apparently free to judge them based on religion.

...It's funny, really. 

Modifié par LessThanKate, 03 octobre 2010 - 08:38 .

[Mox Ruuga]

The whole "Ash is a racist redneck bible thumper" meme is one of the worst things existing in the whole ME fandom.

For example, the controversial "Bear and Dog" metaphor she makes isn't actually about how she feels. It's about how she imagines the Council feels, and why they would sacrifice humans to protect their own people. That "It's not racism, not really" that most of the dim bulbs seem to loathe so much, is talking about the Council's perceived racism in that sort of situation, not her own feelings.

It's really irritating looking through fanart, for example, and see so much stupid s#!t written and drawn about her.

I also agree with the above post that the very same Ash Bashers tend to give aliens a free pass. A similar bit of BS compared with the whole "Kaidan is a whiner lol" thing, when the same dim bulbs are often unabashed Garrus fans. Garrus being objectively the biggest whiner of all among squaddies, at least in ME1.

Eh, rant over. Let's hope that Ash gets some great content, preferably that much speculated upon VS DLC...

[LessThanKate]

A redneck? Where does that even come from?



Yeah, I can't tell you how many times Ashley is depicted as, at best, an afterthought. There's some really wonderful stuff out there, sadly it mostly seems to be focused on...four or five certain characters, apart from Shepard. That's a continuing problem with fandom, I've come to find...a character or characters get so popular, and they monopolize the whole thing.



I'm guessing during the "Bear and Dog" talk, people assume Ashley is making aliens the metaphorical dog because she says "much as you love you're dog, it isn't human". I was never put off by that talk, though, it seemed clear what she meant. She thinks every species will, ultimately, look out for itself. That can be a solid argument even in the real world.



I've sacrificed Kaiden two out of three times, but that doesn't mean I don't like him. I never thought he was a whiner...he was just sharing. Yes, he's had some troubling experiences, but just because his life isn't sunshine and rainbows doesn't make him emo. It's difficult experiences and flaws that make characters interesting! There are always some characters that rub people the wrong way, but there's no need to make stuff up.

[SerraAdvocate]

Ashely is a realist, not a racist. She firmly believes that in the end it's a self-help system, and that people/species will work together only as long as it's clear that it's in their best interest. She's also wary of aliens in general because of her family experience, but those two character traits aren't necessarily related to one another.

Besides, her relationship with Wrex, Tali, Garrus, and Liara was never overly combative. Only with Liara did it ever seem like Ashley had any distaste for one of them... and I always marked that off as jealousy, since my Shepard always romances Ashley. Her distrust for Wrex and Garrus would be the same as if it were 1993 and I invited a few Russian operatives to come along on a top-secret American nuclear submarine.

Her concerns are warranted. Her priorities may be misplaced, perhaps; that plays into what happens on Horizon.

Modifié par Helm505, 03 octobre 2010 - 09:06 .

[Kim Shepard]

LessThanKate wrote...

I see a lot of people (girls) who adore Garrus and seem to hate Ashley on principle. Breaks my heart because I love them both; they may actually be my top two. I can bet most of those girls wouldn't think twice about a turian being hateful towards humans. Actually, I know they wouldn't, since a lot of them like Saren, too.  

I guess I should respond to this because you might be talking about me (even as one of many). xD Just to set the record straight - I don't dislike Ashley because she doesn't trust aliens. Saren is my favorite character, but my second-favorite is Kai Leng, who hates turians and has killed many of them. Also, not completely in response to your post, I don't bash characters. I'll say that I don't like them, but as someone who has several favorite characters that get insulted a lot on these forums, I don't do the same for other characters.

On-topic, one thing I liked about Ashley - she and my current MaleShep have completely different opinions, he wasn't really mean to her but he wasn't nice either, and the subject of romance never came up. A lot of squadmates will want to romance Shepard no matter how mean he/she is and how different they are, but Ashley doesn't. She knows what she wants, and it wasn't my MaleShep. They could even have normal conversations that stayed civil despite the difference of opinions and never sounded flirty. It's so much more realistic that way.

And I think more First Contact War information would be great. Of course, I want to learn more about Saren, but I'm interested in what happened with the other characters like Ashley's grandfather too.

[LessThanKate]

Kim Shepard wrote...

LessThanKate wrote...

I see a lot of people (girls) who adore Garrus and seem to hate Ashley on principle. Breaks my heart because I love them both; they may actually be my top two. I can bet most of those girls wouldn't think twice about a turian being hateful towards humans. Actually, I know they wouldn't, since a lot of them like Saren, too.  

I guess I should respond to this because you might be talking about me (even as one of many). xD Just to set the record straight - I don't dislike Ashley because she doesn't trust aliens. Saren is my favorite character, but my second-favorite is Kai Leng, who hates turians and has killed many of them. Also, not completely in response to your post, I don't bash characters. I'll say that I don't like them, but as someone who has several favorite characters that get insulted a lot on these forums, I don't do the same for other characters.

On-topic, one thing I liked about Ashley - she and my current MaleShep have completely different opinions, he wasn't really mean to her but he wasn't nice either, and the subject of romance never came up. A lot of squadmates will want to romance Shepard no matter how mean he/she is and how different they are, but Ashley doesn't. She knows what she wants, and it wasn't my MaleShep. They could even have normal conversations that stayed civil despite the difference of opinions and never sounded flirty. It's so much more realistic that way.

And I think more First Contact War information would be great. Of course, I want to learn more about Saren, but I'm interested in what happened with the other characters like Ashley's grandfather too.

Forgive me, I should clarify. I wasn't picking on any one person, that would be cowardly of me. Everyone at the Garrus board seems intelligent and eloquent, that's why I decided to stop lurking and contribute...but I've been around DA, Youtube, IGN, and even if I didn't like her, I'd still be tired of people drawing their Shepards punching her in the face and calling her the c-word. You've explained your reasons, and I respect that; that's more than a lot of people have done. All the same, I do still wish the sentiment wasn't as popular as it is.

And I like Saren, too...as a villain. I don't agree with anything he does, but there are moments when I want to feel sorry for him. Hear he's quite a jerk in the books, though.

And I'm not sure if I can put it against her for the mechanics of the romance system. Like, for my female Shep, I wanted to romance Garrus and not cheat, so I just didn't talk to Kaiden. Didn't talk much to Thane or Jacob because at some point it's assumed there's a love triangle going on. Would have liked it if things didn't always have to go to romance, if I could just be friends with members of the opposite sex, but...that's something that Bioware still needs to work on.

...Just to be clear, I don't begrudge anyone disliking any one character. I understand--she's definetely got an ugly side to her personality that not everyone will like. I just begrudge bashing characters for silly and unfounded reasons.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 03 octobre 2010 - 09:52 .

[Kim Shepard]

I figured that, but I just wanted to be sure. Wouldn't want anyone to have a negative opinion of the members if it isn't true. And I liked Saren more after Revelation, but that's a discussion for the Garrus/turian thread.

I'm not holding that part of the romance against her - I liked it, and think there should be more of it. The characters with romances shouldn't like Shepard no matter what. Actually, if the romance talks just never started when Shepard isn't their type, that would cut down on romance traps (and I really hate romance traps). I did worry about that when I was talking to her with MaleShep, and was very glad when it didn't happen. I'm not sure if that's just my game though, because others have had trouble with Kaidan when I didn't, but I had trouble with Liara after the "I'm not interested" conversation. Even if that is the reason, it played out well that way. I don't have to go out of my way to avoid talking with her for fear of accidentally starting a romance, which I've had to do before.

[trobbins777]

In response to any Ash hate I say this.

Some men can't handle a strong woman.

Some men are extremely turned on by a strong woman.

I am the latter.

[LessThanKate]

There IS something oddly wonderful about a woman who knows her way around an assault rifle.