I have to say, it was a double-edged sword that Ashley, or Kaiden from Mass Effect 1, had such a small role in Mass Effect 2.
For me, Ashley was one of the characters I really dug into in ME1, and really fit as a good romance for the character role I chose for Shepard -- she was smart, tough, beautiful, cleverly flawed and stubborn, but had her heart in the right place; she just, for me, represented everything a woman should be. By the first scene of ME2, I had realized that I actually missed this girl, and I was excited to see how her and Shepard would reconnect after his resurrection. The subsequent confrontation in the Horizon colony left me a bit angry.
At first, I thought, "Really? That's just it? Was this BioWare's way of just phasing the character out to clear the slate for new romances -- where's the depth in that?" I have faith that Drew Karpyshyn does better writing than that. I withdrew from having Shepard romance any of the other characters, not just out of spite, but because it seemed shallow of him -- none of them really fit the character role he played as a Paragon. Tali comes close, I love her character, but as a romance option it just didn't quite fit into place.
They certainly made Miranda into eye candy, but I like to think of the Mass Effect series as a TV series or movie trilogy -- if I was watching it, what would I think of Shepard's character if he went after every piece of eye candy available? I try to keep him true to his character role... flaws make the character interesting, but having him stray into another romance just for giggles didn't really make for a believable Paragon Shepard, or a likeable character.
Then came the scene where Shepard smiles at Ashley's photo at the end -- what a rewarding scene that was -- and it put a lot of things into perspective for me. Mass Effect is all about making tough choices -- and some of these choices have unforseeable consequences. Some good, some bad, some niether. It's my belief -- or my hope, rather -- that there is a rewarding consequence for those who choose to stay faithful, or not, to the romance from ME1. Even if it makes Mass Effect 3 consist of the three disks, and takes much longer before release, I really hope that this is their intention.
I can live without Ashley being a party member; what I really want is significantly more interaction, dialogue, development and depth between these characters that brings a believable sense of continuation, or closure, in their relationship.
If that's what is to come in Mass Effect 3, I believe the interaction in ME2 is brilliant. I'm sure BioWare realizes that the interaction with ME1's romance in ME2 will leave many players wanting more, and they plan to reward them in ME3. Otherwise, shame on you BioWare, what a wonderful character to cut out of the cast.
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Posté 08 octobre 2010 - 11:27
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Great wall of text
Great post! One of the best ones I have read in a long time. I think you realy hit the nail on the head with this, this is realy why most of us Ash fans love Ash, you are spot on with this.
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I can live without Ashley being a party member; what I really want is significantly more interaction, dialogue, development and depth between these characters that brings a believable sense of continuation, or closure, in their relationship.
If that's what is to come in Mass Effect 3, I believe the interaction in ME2 is brilliant. I'm sure BioWare realizes that the interaction with ME1's romance in ME2 will leave many players wanting more, and they plan to reward them in ME3. Otherwise, shame on you BioWare, what a wonderful character to cut out of the cast.
Your whole post was awesome, but this especially hit the nail on the head.
I don't care about Ash being a squadmate, I just want to interact with her.
And as we've seen with some of the ME2 team members, just because they're a squadmate does not necessarily mean they get a lot of dialogue.
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Exactly, Liara fans got what they wanted when they romanced the blue Asari herself in Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, so it's only fair that Ashley or Alenko get the same treatment.
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Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 12:12
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So, I'm almost finished one of my Ash-LI playthroughs, and I got to Ilos; I have to say that I think her romance is the best out of the three original LIs, and my favourite so far.
I agree with you on that. I felt like I had to "work" at developing something with Ash. Liara threw herself at you and I can't comment on Kaidan since I never did that one.
Liaras wasn't great in ME1, but it did turn into a realy good LI thanks to LotSB, Bioware did realy good with that, I am glad the Liara fans were pleased with it. I hope we get something like that for the VS dlc. Ashley's romance was brilliant, it went at a good pace aswell, it didnt feel rushed, and her character had so much depth.The only problem with Ashleys is some people complained that they couldn't say ''no'' to her and the only way to do so was to romance Liara or be a ass to Ash, while they wanted to remain friends with her. But overall Ash is my favourite LI, followed by Kaidan and Liara, I dont like any of the ME2 LIs, as characters I like them, but not as LIs.
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I personally had and still have strong feelings for Ash, the romance in ME1 was extremely well done, and the emotional choice of either saving her or Kaiden and all the other things you go through together in the first game adds even more to the relationship.
Personally im hoping that the small role in ME2 is a test for all the people that actually love Ashley, and that we will all be rewarded for staying faithfull in ME3. There are enough hints to indicate the relationship definately isn't over, Ashley clearly still has feelings for you, the encounter on Horizon and the email from her clearly show that, holding her photo before going into the Omega 4 relay is the icing on the cake and hopefully indicates the relationship is far from over.
I know there are alot of Ashley haters, but i personally think she is one of those kind of characters you either love or hate, if you actually bother to take a deep interest in her you find that she is indeed a deep and well thought out character, and personally one of my definate favourites in mass effect.
Personally im hoping that the small role in ME2 is a test for all the people that actually love Ashley, and that we will all be rewarded for staying faithfull in ME3. There are enough hints to indicate the relationship definately isn't over, Ashley clearly still has feelings for you, the encounter on Horizon and the email from her clearly show that, holding her photo before going into the Omega 4 relay is the icing on the cake and hopefully indicates the relationship is far from over.
I know there are alot of Ashley haters, but i personally think she is one of those kind of characters you either love or hate, if you actually bother to take a deep interest in her you find that she is indeed a deep and well thought out character, and personally one of my definate favourites in mass effect.
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Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 01:21
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I personally had and still have strong feelings for Ash, the romance in ME1 was extremely well done, and the emotional choice of either saving her or Kaiden and all the other things you go through together in the first game adds even more to the relationship.
Personally im hoping that the small role in ME2 is a test for all the people that actually love Ashley, and that we will all be rewarded for staying faithfull in ME3. There are enough hints to indicate the relationship definately isn't over, Ashley clearly still has feelings for you, the encounter on Horizon and the email from her clearly show that, holding her photo before going into the Omega 4 relay is the icing on the cake and hopefully indicates the relationship is far from over.
I know there are alot of Ashley haters, but i personally think she is one of those kind of characters you either love or hate, if you actually bother to take a deep interest in her you find that she is indeed a deep and well thought out character, and personally one of my definate favourites in mass effect.
Yes this!
I hope we get rewarded for it, i've been waiting for more Ash since I played ME back in 2007!
She is my favourite character in gaming, she is a kickass marine, who loves poetry, values family and friendship, holds traditions close to her heart (she is old at heart) she believes in god but dosent shove it in you're face, she's funny, independant, likes dancing and partying, and yes she has flaws such as her distrust of aliens, her family being blacklisted making her willing to give her life to be a martyr, to redeem her family honor. So that is also plus, as a good character must have flaws and cant be perfect, there is not one person in the world who is perfect, her flaws make her more believeable as a character, so that in itself makes Ashley the pefect character.
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Sort of like how you'd think Alistair was the only character in DA:O if you only paid attention to the stuff the fangirls make (look at Aimo, for instance) <_<LessThanKate wrote...
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times Ashley is depicted as, at best, an afterthought. There's some really wonderful stuff out there, sadly it mostly seems to be focused on...four or five certain characters, apart from Shepard. That's a continuing problem with fandom, I've come to find...a character or characters get so popular, and they monopolize the whole thing.
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I don't think Ashley really hates aliens. She is a very strong woman, but she has a severe lack of self-respect. On one hand, she will definitely kick anyone's arse. But then again, she's very insecure. I think she's trying to hide her insecurity by openly blaming aliens for everything that's wrong, but after a few conversations I'm more convinced that deep inside she really blames herself for anything and everything. She openly states that Williams women are to be strong, and pretty much perfect in any way, and she's very afraid that she doesn't live up to that expectation.
I think people overstate Ashley's xenophobia. I'm not saying it's not real, but she emphatically says "You ask me to kiss a turian, I'll ask which cheek." There's no indication that, when ordered to work with aliens, she does anything other than cover them and protect them just as strongly as she would any human.
It's unfortunate, but I've met people with similar levels of prejudice who I've been able to at least get along with and enjoy the company of. (Even if I'll argue the issue endlessly.)
Anyway, I really love Ashley. She might be redneck up front, but she does have a very sensitive side to her, very vulnerable even. I love how she's not just the one-dimensional butch type who kicks arse all around. There's really more depth to her character than that.
Plus I'd find it extremely hard to grow old with Liara, since Liara will not age like you do. She'll still be a young adult when you'll die of age. I find that pretty hard to cope with.
That being said, I also love Liara's personality. Intelligent, not much of a people person, but very strong-willed. She wants you and basically initiates the romance. you don't really have to court her, she openly states very early on that you're very interesting to her, in more than just an emotional way. She pretty much tells you up front that she wants to have sex with you at some point in the future.
But my favourite has to be Tali, the way everything awes her, despite her brilliant mind. Plus she doesn't downplay one thing about her. She's a very strong woman, both mentally and physically, and she knows it. Don't know, that really makes me want her, although - sadly - it will never happen due to obvious reasons like my loyalty to Ashley.
I think people overstate Ashley's xenophobia. I'm not saying it's not real, but she emphatically says "You ask me to kiss a turian, I'll ask which cheek." There's no indication that, when ordered to work with aliens, she does anything other than cover them and protect them just as strongly as she would any human.
It's unfortunate, but I've met people with similar levels of prejudice who I've been able to at least get along with and enjoy the company of. (Even if I'll argue the issue endlessly.)
Anyway, I really love Ashley. She might be redneck up front, but she does have a very sensitive side to her, very vulnerable even. I love how she's not just the one-dimensional butch type who kicks arse all around. There's really more depth to her character than that.
Plus I'd find it extremely hard to grow old with Liara, since Liara will not age like you do. She'll still be a young adult when you'll die of age. I find that pretty hard to cope with.
That being said, I also love Liara's personality. Intelligent, not much of a people person, but very strong-willed. She wants you and basically initiates the romance. you don't really have to court her, she openly states very early on that you're very interesting to her, in more than just an emotional way. She pretty much tells you up front that she wants to have sex with you at some point in the future.
But my favourite has to be Tali, the way everything awes her, despite her brilliant mind. Plus she doesn't downplay one thing about her. She's a very strong woman, both mentally and physically, and she knows it. Don't know, that really makes me want her, although - sadly - it will never happen due to obvious reasons like my loyalty to Ashley.
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I think people overstate Ashley's xenophobia. I'm not saying it's not real, but she emphatically says "You ask me to kiss a turian, I'll ask which cheek." There's no indication that, when ordered to work with aliens, she does anything other than cover them and protect them just as strongly as she would any human.
Trouble is with the Mass Effect 2 website and the cameo on Horizon. the fact that she is 'xenophobic' takes up half her profile on her ME2 website description, plus some convos from ME1 (although, I think she has a point about being apprehensive to having Wrex, Garrus, and Tali aboard an advanced military frigate).
People might only take those into consideration to justify hating her. What they don't realize is that when you take her with you on your third visit to the Citadel and talk to the Terra Firma leader, she tells him that the group is too bigoted.
I've never considered her xenophobic.
Just a bit prejudiced at first.
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Yeah well most people see Ash as a little paranoid of aliens at first, but not only does she grow out of it, she also has the right to be, I think. Her family was blacklisted by the Alliance just because her grandfather didn't want to watch all his men get slaughtered at Shanxi. Not to mention that, if Cerberus and Terra Firma are any indication, a lot of humanity shares these xenophobic tendencies. Also, she had no contact with any aliens, so none of them could prove her opinions wrong.
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The worrying thing is, Ash's original writer left.
The warning signs are already there in ME2, where she IIRC comes straight out and says "I don't like aliens, but..."
The original writer was active in the ME wiki, and listed the characters and quests he had written in both games. He wrote all of Ash in ME1, but had no part in her ME2 scenes (he wrote Thane, Legion, and EDI instead). The original writer was very clear that Ash wasn't a racist or a xenophobe. She merely had some (actually pretty well justified) scruples about working with "foreign nationals" with no real loyalties for the Alliance, on a sensitive mission onboard the newest Alliance prototype frigate.
They did kinda screw up by having her mouth off stuff like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" and "Ugh, what is that bug thing doing over there", which combined with her misunderstood "Dog and Bear" metaphor (which was actually defending the Council, not her own opinions) caused a lot of people to dismiss her as a bigot. The whole thing seems to have become a meme, and unfortunately any comment about Ash on Youtube, Deviant art, or wherever, will usually be followed by an inane "lol i left that racist rednek h0r on virmire xD" type of comment.
And now Bioware themselves are having her openly saying she "doesn't like aliens". Sigh. They'd better chose a writer who:
a) gets her character
actually likes her
The warning signs are already there in ME2, where she IIRC comes straight out and says "I don't like aliens, but..."
The original writer was active in the ME wiki, and listed the characters and quests he had written in both games. He wrote all of Ash in ME1, but had no part in her ME2 scenes (he wrote Thane, Legion, and EDI instead). The original writer was very clear that Ash wasn't a racist or a xenophobe. She merely had some (actually pretty well justified) scruples about working with "foreign nationals" with no real loyalties for the Alliance, on a sensitive mission onboard the newest Alliance prototype frigate.
They did kinda screw up by having her mouth off stuff like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" and "Ugh, what is that bug thing doing over there", which combined with her misunderstood "Dog and Bear" metaphor (which was actually defending the Council, not her own opinions) caused a lot of people to dismiss her as a bigot. The whole thing seems to have become a meme, and unfortunately any comment about Ash on Youtube, Deviant art, or wherever, will usually be followed by an inane "lol i left that racist rednek h0r on virmire xD" type of comment.
And now Bioware themselves are having her openly saying she "doesn't like aliens". Sigh. They'd better chose a writer who:
a) gets her character
actually likes her
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Posté 10 octobre 2010 - 03:02
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The worrying thing is, Ash's original writer left.
That is disconcerting....
Really hope they don't go and butcher her character.
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Posté 10 octobre 2010 - 06:10
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The reason I like Ash is that she's opinionated and a fair representation of what the human colonist mindset can be like. In the ME universe, most human colonies are located on the fringes of Council space. Such colonies are vulnerable to attacks by outlaws (human or otherwise) or competing non-Council alien states (like the Batarian Hegemony). I'd expect human colonists to be understandibly distrustful of aliens as a rule, and would think a soldier even more so. After all, whatever hostile force they'll be facing is more likely to be alien than human.
Acceptance of aliens requires a fair bit of cultural/contextual data to understand their values and predict their intent. Most humans don't bother much about xenobiology or xenosociology. I doubt enlisted men like Ash get much of that beyond a basic primer... but I bet you soldiers talk A LOT about the First Contact War, the Blitz and Torfan. Most of it likely be 50% rumor and 50% fact. No wonder most colonists and enlisted men feel some prejudice towards aliens in general, if not actual fear/hatred towards the more anti-human species like the batarians. Batarians are obviously prejudiced against humans, as shown in Mordin's recruitment mission.
So, in role-playing terms, Ash doesn't seem particularly racist or bigoted to my Shepard, her mindset is likely typical of the one shared by most men under Shepard's command. She's no fan of aliens, but has no sympathy for xenophobes either. The designers essentially leave it to Shepard to either enlighten her or confirm her prejudice towards aliens.
I was disappointed to see her walk away, but she had the balls to take a stand for her convictions. Even if she could have trusted Shep and perhaps even Tali and Garrus, most of the others were unknowns or worse, known Cerberus agents. Whatever Shep's perception of Cerberus is, the public at large sees it as a terrorist organisation and Ash would share in that perception.
Is Bioware planning to use the Virmire survivor in ME3? Or will he/she end up in a piece of DLC? I don't know. But she's definitely a character worth re-visiting one way or the other and my "main" Shep still has her picture on his (now rather cluttered, with that huge SB ship model) desk.
Acceptance of aliens requires a fair bit of cultural/contextual data to understand their values and predict their intent. Most humans don't bother much about xenobiology or xenosociology. I doubt enlisted men like Ash get much of that beyond a basic primer... but I bet you soldiers talk A LOT about the First Contact War, the Blitz and Torfan. Most of it likely be 50% rumor and 50% fact. No wonder most colonists and enlisted men feel some prejudice towards aliens in general, if not actual fear/hatred towards the more anti-human species like the batarians. Batarians are obviously prejudiced against humans, as shown in Mordin's recruitment mission.
So, in role-playing terms, Ash doesn't seem particularly racist or bigoted to my Shepard, her mindset is likely typical of the one shared by most men under Shepard's command. She's no fan of aliens, but has no sympathy for xenophobes either. The designers essentially leave it to Shepard to either enlighten her or confirm her prejudice towards aliens.
I was disappointed to see her walk away, but she had the balls to take a stand for her convictions. Even if she could have trusted Shep and perhaps even Tali and Garrus, most of the others were unknowns or worse, known Cerberus agents. Whatever Shep's perception of Cerberus is, the public at large sees it as a terrorist organisation and Ash would share in that perception.
Is Bioware planning to use the Virmire survivor in ME3? Or will he/she end up in a piece of DLC? I don't know. But she's definitely a character worth re-visiting one way or the other and my "main" Shep still has her picture on his (now rather cluttered, with that huge SB ship model) desk.
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Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 12:46
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easygame88 wrote...
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The worrying thing is, Ash's original writer left.
That is disconcerting....
Really hope they don't go and butcher her character.
Agree, this is what worries me the most. I am, in fact, very concerned.
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Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 01:18
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Exactly, Liara fans got what they wanted when they romanced the blue Asari herself in Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, so it's only fair that Ashley or Alenko get the same treatment.
Liara was easy because she survived all of ME1's endings. She is now the only squadmate that you can point to and say "no matter how you slice it, she's still alive," (unless you count Joker).
Ash and Kaidan in ME2 DLC is a little bit trickier because one of them is dead. Not impossible though.
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Agree, this is what worries me the most. I am, in fact, very concerned.easygame88 wrote...
That is disconcerting....Mox Ruuga wrote...
The worrying thing is, Ash's original writer left.
Really hope they don't go and butcher her character.
I think Kaidan's original writer left too. No wonder he and Ash were essentially the same person in ME2.
Not so much in dialogue as actions. Kaidan in Phoenix armour and using guns instead of biotics....
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But i still felt a let down that I can't continue the relationship with Ash in ME2 even staying loyal to her. I still want the same scene like that trip to Ilos with a passionate ending and an intimate cut-scene.
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Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 05:11
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I think Kaidan's original writer left too. No wonder he and Ash were essentially the same person in ME2.
Not so much in dialogue as actions. Kaidan in Phoenix armour and using guns instead of biotics....
I wouldn't worry about the Phoenix armor, I don't think writers have control of cut scenes as much...
Was it ever revealed who wrote Kaidan for ME1? I've heard people mention it was Drew, but I don't remember if that was just speculation or not... In any case, take heart Ash and Kaidan fans! Losing the original writer is grim, but not necessarily a catastrophe. It can go very badly (just see Liara in out-of-the-box ME2), certainly, but in some cases the results can be good. Tali got a new writer for ME2, and while I don't have much use for the character, most people think there was an improvement. And Liara is now more popular than ever in the fandom, after yet another writer change between ME2 and LotSB.
Here's hoping that whoever gets Ash (and Kaidan) in either the DLC or ME3, is someone who likes the character and "gets" what the original writers had in mind for them!
...and yes, I do hope they get more "personalized" cut scenes in the future.
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"Personally im hoping that the small role in ME2 is a test for all the people that actually love Ashley, and that we will all be rewarded for staying faithfull in ME3."
Bioware have already mentioned that the relationship aspect of Mass Effect is an important part of the series. They've also said that there will be consequences (or words to that effect) for those who choose to stay loyal to their ME1 LI.
Ash was the poster-girl for Mass Effect 1. I would be suprised if she, at very least, dosn't get a bigger part to play in ME3. You don't go to all that work setting up a character relationship only to ditch it in subsequent games.
Also, the pattern kinda makes sense:
ME1 - start relationship with LI
ME2 - start relationship with new LI (if not done in ME1)
ME3 - Continue relationship with LI from either ME1 or ME2.
If Bioware wanted Ash/Kaiden out of the picture, they'd have killed them off by now. Seems to me ME3 will involve your chosen LI from either ME1 or 2 in some major way. ME2 servied partly to get people who didn't play ME1 on the Relationship bandwagon, in order for them to be involved with whatever they have planned for them in ME3. I'm hoping for a similar choice like on Virmire, but bigger. Choose the Citadel or Ash kinda thing. (It'd be Ash btw, lol).
Either way, chin up. I have faith that Bioware know what they're doing. They're aware of the support every character has in the series, and Ash/Kaiden have the "under-dog" mystic about them, that makes them harder to ignore, if you see what I mean. If they don't feature in ME3 Bioware (and feature properly) will have a lot of angry fans beating down their doors, and they know it...
Bioware have already mentioned that the relationship aspect of Mass Effect is an important part of the series. They've also said that there will be consequences (or words to that effect) for those who choose to stay loyal to their ME1 LI.
Ash was the poster-girl for Mass Effect 1. I would be suprised if she, at very least, dosn't get a bigger part to play in ME3. You don't go to all that work setting up a character relationship only to ditch it in subsequent games.
Also, the pattern kinda makes sense:
ME1 - start relationship with LI
ME2 - start relationship with new LI (if not done in ME1)
ME3 - Continue relationship with LI from either ME1 or ME2.
If Bioware wanted Ash/Kaiden out of the picture, they'd have killed them off by now. Seems to me ME3 will involve your chosen LI from either ME1 or 2 in some major way. ME2 servied partly to get people who didn't play ME1 on the Relationship bandwagon, in order for them to be involved with whatever they have planned for them in ME3. I'm hoping for a similar choice like on Virmire, but bigger. Choose the Citadel or Ash kinda thing. (It'd be Ash btw, lol).
Either way, chin up. I have faith that Bioware know what they're doing. They're aware of the support every character has in the series, and Ash/Kaiden have the "under-dog" mystic about them, that makes them harder to ignore, if you see what I mean. If they don't feature in ME3 Bioware (and feature properly) will have a lot of angry fans beating down their doors, and they know it...
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Even so I never betrayed her love, the note she sends you after Horizon proves she wants you back.
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I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.
I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.
I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.
Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.
--Ash
Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
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I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.
I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.
I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.
Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.
--Ash
Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
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Guest_LiamN7_*
Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 03:16
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I don't see ME2 as a test. I see it as a reboot. For a game that is supposed to be a trilogy where your choices matter and carry over, well lets just say carry over from ME1 to me2 sucked. Why skip they middle ? Ash is my favorite character bioware has ever made. Bioware is more than capable of doing right by Ash in ME3, but I have no idea what they will do. I will not just assume it will be good. I want to know what bioware decides to do. I am waiting for info.
It was, is, and shall be Ashley.
It was, is, and shall be Ashley.
#4323
Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 07:02
Mox Ruuga
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I talked about this in the DLC thread, but it's worth bringing up here as well.
Ash swearing up a storm, real world Marine NCO style! Yes or no?
I'd say yes, situationally it would be quite appropriate. Wouldn't it be fun to see her go off on a bunch of clumsy recruits, Gunnery Sergeant Hartman style?
Or insult a foe in combat. Or interrogate some poor b-****** who has info Shep and company need. Ash would have made a much better "Bad Cop" for Shep than Thane... 
Ash swearing up a storm, real world Marine NCO style! Yes or no?
I'd say yes, situationally it would be quite appropriate. Wouldn't it be fun to see her go off on a bunch of clumsy recruits, Gunnery Sergeant Hartman style?
Or insult a foe in combat. Or interrogate some poor b-****** who has info Shep and company need. Ash would have made a much better "Bad Cop" for Shep than Thane...
#4324
Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 08:19
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I disagree with this as I have seen Commander Shepard Is Such A Jerk and Commander Shepard Is Still A Jerk posted on Youtube.Mox Ruuga wrote...
Ash would have made a much better "Bad Cop" for Shep than Thane...
#4325
Posté 11 octobre 2010 - 09:04
Lord Zeuss
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I have to admit, I get a kick out of how utterly scathing Ashley's responses are to Shep's douchebaggery. Absolutely dripping with contempt. I love a woman who knows how to say 'No'.VutaatVerd wrote...
I disagree with this as I have seen Commander Shepard Is Such A Jerk and Commander Shepard Is Still A Jerk posted on Youtube.Mox Ruuga wrote...
Ash would have made a much better "Bad Cop" for Shep than Thane...
