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http://tvtropes.org/...ers/MassEffect1

Just found the link to Ashley's 'TV Tropes' page and it's pretty cool. Especially noting that it appears TV tropes acknowledges that the hate she gets is overblown and unwarranted. I especially liked that the link to the word 'overblown'  leads to 'understatement' (i.e that to say the accusations about her being 'racist' are overblown is an understatement) and the bit where it says that some view her as 'worse than Cerberus' leads to 'hate-dumb'

Ahh good times. That said not sure how I feel about some of the entries about her religion (though apart from the bit about Jesus it's mostly respectful about her beliefs) but otherwise it really greatly strengthens the layers of her character, I think anyway, if there are this many different tropes and idioms that can be linked to her existing within her character.

So I'm sharing this with the board so they can see how greatly she comes together with all these tropes and such, so we can appreciate the layers that make up her character, and mock the true idiocy of those that hate her.

Speaking of, here is Ashley's link in the Ron the Death Eater page on TV Tropes and Idioms:

"Ashley also gets it from another angle - her (somewhat justified) dislike of other alien races, and Turians especially, comes from the fact that thanks to the Turians, her family name is now essentially mud in the Alliance military. She actually expresses hope for improved relations with the Quarians thanks to Tali's assistance in one case. However, the Hatedom flanderizes her caution into outright, blind, unreasoning hatred."

Yeah, that's like the most accurate description of the unfairness of Ashley's bad reputation I've ever heard. Thank you TV Tropes and idioms.


As for having Ashley/Kaiden merge classes, I don't like the idea. I remember seeing footage of Kaiden wielding an assault rifle on Horizon and it looked off. I mean I understand the idea of a balance so that gameplay doesn't have to change that much but I think their different combat styles are another example of how they are different characters.

I feel it should feel different according to who has what weapon or combat style. If it's Ashley let's have it be a firefight type arrangement with a lot of problems that can only, or need only, be solved by excessive plasma fire.

If it's Kaiden then it needs to be something with physics and possible decryption and puzzles that need the work of a biotic. That way the scenario will actually 'fit' the two different characters. Of course that would be quite difficult to do but it could still be cool.

Modifié par V-rex, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:05 .


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I think it's a fairly safe bet to say there'll be DLC for Wrex and the other two. Bioware has said before, they plan on releasing a steady flow of DLC that links ME2 with ME3. Obviously, a Krogan civil war is an easy guess at what Wrex's mission will be. Maybe help Ashley or Kaiden will result in a mission for the Alliance with rebels or some such thing.

Maybe one great big DLC that involves them. Maybe there is a Krogan uprising that the Alliance is going to take strong action against, and they send Kaiden or Ashley to reason with the strongest Krogan Clan, because they either know Wrex if he survived or because thet have worked with a Korgan before, and Anderson calls you in to help them settle the issue, which leads to a revelation about the Reapers that you all have to look into.

Maybe even have the Rachni Queen be a part of it. Have it maybe be about the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate The Krogan like they did the Rachni. Wrex or Wreav can say he's noticed an odd way of acting from the other clans. So you have to find out how they're being indoctrinated, and stop it, securing your alliance with The Krogan for ME3, and possibly firing up the Romance with Ashley or Kaiden.

Either way, I'm happy to be able to continously have a reason to keep playing this game, as if restarting as every class wasn't already good enough. Posted Image

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Silentmode wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

nickkcin11 wrote...
Is Ashley the second most popular character after Tali?


Doubt it. She's hated by a large majority of people who believe she's a xenophobe that wants to burn all aliens at the stake, she's also hated because she "won't shut up about her religion" (even though she mentions it only once). Quite sad, actually.


Yeah I think its safe to say thats Garrus, hell he may be ahead of Tali.

Sorry that was dumb of me. I assumed that she was because her thread was the second one on the page. After looking around a bit I found what you were saying, a lot hate her. I wouldnt call her a xenophobe though, she hates Cerberus, disagrees with Terra Firma, and by the end she says, "Ive had some time to think about some stuff" in reference to aliens being to blame. It seems like she has more of a grudge than intense hate. Also even though she consistently acts like an ass to Liara, when Benezia is killed she says you should go comfort her. That shows a lot of depth IMO.

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It is true, Ash is not the most popular, but she is also far from the least popular, people are pretty 50/50 on Ash, and to me that makes her one of the best characters in the series. Some people disagree with her views and dislikes her becuase of them, some disagree with her views and like her becuase she aint all bad, or all good, and are glad she is made so realistic (afterall who dosent have flaws in real life?) some agree with her views and like her becuase of them aswell.

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Ash is awesome *wants DLC*



I love writing her...she's a very interesting character.

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jlb524 wrote...

Ash is awesome *wants DLC*

I love writing her...she's a very interesting character.

This^

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ADLegend21 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ash is awesome *wants DLC*

I love writing her...she's a very interesting character.

This^


lol, seriously, she's hilarious.  Even though my fic is Shepard/Liara centered, I write her in as much as possible (for the lols now, but it will get more serious later.)  Ash has so much potential for fanfic writers, even though the ME1 writers did an outstanding job with her.

I love my Ashy Poo.  :wub:

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The only worry that i have when ash comes back to the normandy is that she not going to spend any time with shepard!!!! I mean have you seen the armoury.....all those table of guns...pistols.......submachine guns...... assualt rifles .....lmg's.....sniper rifles and HEAVY WEAPONS, thats alot of cleaning and we know how ash treats them like all her babies.



She will end up with garrus syndrome.."can it wait a minute skipper just doing some barrel changes" =( going to have to get EDI to lock it down and get kelly to paint over the signs on the wall.

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silverfoxIII wrote...

The only worry that i have when ash comes back to the normandy is that she not going to spend any time with shepard!!!! I mean have you seen the armoury.....all those table of guns...pistols.......submachine guns...... assualt rifles .....lmg's.....sniper rifles and HEAVY WEAPONS, thats alot of cleaning and we know how ash treats them like all her babies.

She will end up with garrus syndrome.."can it wait a minute skipper just doing some barrel changes" =( going to have to get EDI to lock it down and get kelly to paint over the signs on the wall.

Hopefully not, Garrus and his callibrations are very annoying. Doesnt Jacob already clean them?

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Jacob can go out the airlock as far as I'm concerned if it means Ash could take his place in the armory. ;)

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SilverRose208 wrote...

Jacob can go out the airlock as far as I'm concerned if it means Ash could take his place in the armory. ;)


Seconded. Jacob would get spaced in a heartbeat if it meant Ash would come back.

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chris025657 wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

Jacob can go out the airlock as far as I'm concerned if it means Ash could take his place in the armory. ;)


Seconded. Jacob would get spaced in a heartbeat if it meant Ash would come back.


Ok I love Ashley as much as the rest of you but Jacob is a pretty cool guy. He slays batarians and doesn't afraid of anything.

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chris025657 wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

Jacob can go out the airlock as far as I'm concerned if it means Ash could take his place in the armory. ;)


Seconded. Jacob would get spaced in a heartbeat if it meant Ash would come back.

Whoa. that's really extreme. I'd give Thane leave so he can spend time with Kolyat and Ashely take his spot on the normandy.

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Whoa. that's really extreme. I'd give Thane leave so he can spend time with Kolyat and Ashely take his spot on the normandy.


It wasn't a serious comment. I wouldn't actually kill Jacob to get Ashley back. Ash is one of my favorites and I couldn't care less about Jacob so I would make the decision to replace Jacob with Ash in a heartbeat. 

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I just finished Horizan (I'm replaying Mass Effect 2) and I was very disappointed at the dialogue options. Shepard says "Its been too long Ash, how've you been." after they hug. Is that honestly the best Shepard can come up with??!?! I could name 1000 better things to say in a situation such as this, what he says makes him seem like a heartless man. Also it seems like Ashley hates Cerberus way too much. I dislike Cerberus for what they did to Kohoku but she should have shown more loyalty to Shepard. Hell even Garrus couldnt persuade her. Hope she comes back in DLC or in ME3 as a Miranda type role. Or at least able to be romanced again.

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SilverRose208 wrote...

Jacob can go out the airlock as far as I'm concerned if it means Ash could take his place in the armory. ;)


As far as I'm concerned, if space hammy wants a bigger room - Jacob is the one to go. No questions asked.

-Polite

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, if space hammy wants a bigger room - Jacob is the one to go. No questions asked.

-Polite


Ouch, jeez, that's a little harsh. :huh:

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actually I can see Jacob and Ashley getting along somewhat through the armory that and they both served in the Alliance (although she might not like him jumping ship to cerberus when they asked him to guard shep) there'd be gun humor and that'd be a hell of a team out in the field. Jacob lifting enemies up and Ashley getting target practice (which is what I did with her and Liara when I got their achievements). That and Shep would be carrying the best weapons in the whole universe due to their work in the armory.

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nickkcin11 wrote...

I just finished Horizan (I'm replaying Mass Effect 2) and I was very disappointed at the dialogue options. Shepard says "Its been too long Ash, how've you been." after they hug. Is that honestly the best Shepard can come up with??!?! I could name 1000 better things to say in a situation such as this, what he says makes him seem like a heartless man. Also it seems like Ashley hates Cerberus way too much. I dislike Cerberus for what they did to Kohoku but she should have shown more loyalty to Shepard. Hell even Garrus couldnt persuade her. Hope she comes back in DLC or in ME3 as a Miranda type role. Or at least able to be romanced again.


I think pretty much everyone knows the dialogue on Horizon was horrible. I'm pretty sure Bioware realizes that now. At least the reunion will sweeter in ME3 . . . hopefully.

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There was a cold shiver through my soul when someone suggested the possibility of Ashley and Jacob having a previous romantic relationship while they were both on Eden Prime. As much as I want more inter-character relations, I hope Ashley has never met Jacob and will never have to have to deal with the mild annoyance of being female and interacting with Jacob.

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Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

nickkcin11 wrote...

I just finished Horizan (I'm replaying Mass Effect 2) and I was very disappointed at the dialogue options. Shepard says "Its been too long Ash, how've you been." after they hug. Is that honestly the best Shepard can come up with??!?! I could name 1000 better things to say in a situation such as this, what he says makes him seem like a heartless man. Also it seems like Ashley hates Cerberus way too much. I dislike Cerberus for what they did to Kohoku but she should have shown more loyalty to Shepard. Hell even Garrus couldnt persuade her. Hope she comes back in DLC or in ME3 as a Miranda type role. Or at least able to be romanced again.


I think pretty much everyone knows the dialogue on Horizon was horrible. I'm pretty sure Bioware realizes that now. At least the reunion will sweeter in ME3 . . . hopefully.

Well if Bioware fixes their reunion in ME3, they would have sold me on every game they make from now on. It shows a lot of dedication that they have all this continuity in there games, hopefully we are rewarded for being faithful (by not cheating on Ashley).

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nickkcin11 wrote...

Well if Bioware fixes their reunion in ME3, they would have sold me on every game they make from now on. It shows a lot of dedication that they have all this continuity in there games, hopefully we are rewarded for being faithful (by not cheating on Ashley).


Oh they will. Also, I'd hardly call it cheating after being dead for two years and the way she treats you on Horizon.

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chris025657 wrote...

There was a cold shiver through my soul when someone suggested the possibility of Ashley and Jacob having a previous romantic relationship while they were both on Eden Prime. As much as I want more inter-character relations, I hope Ashley has never met Jacob and will never have to have to deal with the mild annoyance of being female and interacting with Jacob.


If this happens, Jacob is going to fall to some completely accidental friendly fire.

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chris025657 wrote...

There was a cold shiver through my soul when someone suggested the possibility of Ashley and Jacob having a previous romantic relationship while they were both on Eden Prime. As much as I want more inter-character relations, I hope Ashley has never met Jacob and will never have to have to deal with the mild annoyance of being female and interacting with Jacob.

psh, if it was Mass effect Galaxy Jacob then I've got no problems, but mass effect 2 bottled up emotions jacob? uh no, that guy got screwed by the writers. that'd still be a badass squad though with witty one liners by Ash and her boomstick.

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Hey Ashley thread, how's it going?

Just thought you might like a snippet of the PM I received from Jesse Houston in reply to a message I sent him

''I can't give details for obvious reasons. But I can tell you that I've not forgotten Ash and Kaiden at all. They are pivotal to the Mass Effect franchise... I wish I could tell you more!''

:-)