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[Lord Zeuss]

VutaatVerd wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

 there needs to be some serious boomstick time.

Guess that means Ashley is stealing my M-920 Cain. Still I do not think that is a big enough Boomstick for Ashley.

Yes, Ash definitely needs a 'Heavy Weapon Shot' or 'boomstick' ability.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Instead of the soldier standard concussive shot, Ashley will have M-920 Cain shot. It will have the standard 6 second cooldown. Heavy M-920 Cain shot will let her be effective against the Reaper fleet, despite her concerns in ME1 of only being able to shoot spitwads.

[nickkcin11]

I didnt think the recruitment missions were bad at all, I liked them better than going to the Citadel and wow, you just picked up 3 people. Some of them are bad I admit but I thought Archangel's and Thane's were pretty fun. As long as all the missions are more like their's, I dont care if they bring back that system of recruit/loyalty. Plus it adds more gametime.

On the subject of what Ashley should be able to do in ME3, I think all characters should have access to bigger guns with Shepard getting even bigger guns. It would be cool if she could have her Immunity power back, that was very helpful. They need to balance the cooldown better though.

[VutaatVerd]

ME 1 LI Poll vote up

http://social.biowar...18/polls/12403/

[Lord Zeuss]

VutaatVerd wrote...

ME 1 LI Poll vote up
http://social.biowar...18/polls/12403/

Voted!

[DigitalFallout]

VutaatVerd wrote...

ME 1 LI Poll vote up
http://social.biowar...18/polls/12403/

I hate polls like this as all it does is roll out the red carpet for trolls.

Modifié par DigitalFallout, 12 novembre 2010 - 06:40 .

[V-rex]

VutaatVerd wrote...

ME 1 LI Poll vote up
http://social.biowar...18/polls/12403/

Voted as well, a Vote for Ash is a vote for tomorrow!!

Also I made a rather large and detailed writing on my viewpoint* of this whole matter on the thread, which I am rather proud of.

*wall of text

EDIT: Speaking of, the format just went horrible because I dared to fix up one word that I got wrong so now there are no paragraphs or spaces, so it's probably unreadable

So with that in mind, here it is for this thread:

"I think Liara has well and truly had her turn in the spotlight by this point, with that in mind I'm more interested to see Ashley come back. However, I want Ashley's character development to actually be true and fair and fitting to the character.

I mean think about it for a minute, in Mass Effect 1 Ashley had all kinds of prejudices and grudges and anger issues relating largely due to a negative thing from her past (i.e her grandfather surrendering Shanxi) constantly coming up in her own life. It results in her getting assigned lousy missions, being disregarded and overlooked and generally not respected fondly.
And yet, she sticks to it anyway and retains a desire to be better than the best, pushing herself quite far to make up for past mistakes and using the Council and the Turians as the blame figure for what happened rather than the Alliance as she was raised to be a patriot.

Then of course, the game lets you change her mind. Make her not so much realize as accept the fact that she has to blame the Alliance for her grandfather being blacklisted and that it wasn't the Turians fault. This, combined with subtle encouragement to try to be more open minded about other races in the galaxy results in her being trusting of alien governments to a far greater extent, and she seems more content with herself. Now finally feeling in her own words 'good enough'.
That now that she's admitted that she's pissed at the government, she no longer seems to feel like she has to prove anything and while it probably wouldn't stop her from being loyal to the Alliance, it at least means that she no longer shifts the blame and in turn might no longer be as haunted by the past.

Then, come Mass Effect 2 the writers had pissed it all away. Not only does she have to clunkily revert back to being 100% Alliance (despite in the last game admitting to being 'pissed at the government') but they even go the extra mile to have her remark:
"I'm no fan of aliens."
Seriously, not only does this completely negate her redemptive awakening at the end of the first game (via player contribution) but it also goes against her characterization in the first place. See, despite what the whiny angry youtube commenters of the world proclaim, Ashley never was an alien hater.
At most she was just cautious or suspicious of their motives and was cynical of the idea that they could always be relied on as allies. She also says and does many thing to contradict the idea that she's racist.

So in some respects her saying she's no fan of aliens can be interpreted by those who understand her character as merely being cynical of alien governments still, but to all the angry youtube commenters, it validates their insanely wrong opinions. To the point where they can justify yelling that she's racist, while in the Horizon scene she is actually telling Shepard off for working for Cerberus.
So in some respects, her character development seems to be heading in the direction of how the idiots of the web perceive her. Rather than the actual characterization that she actually had, she's getting turned into what the people who cry accusations of:
"Raseist religos bich!1!1!!Q!!!!!!!!!111"
See her as. And let me tell you something... f*ck that. Seriously, those people should not be able to have any influence whatsoever on the writing process and yet so far not only have they made Ashley kind of negate her redemptive awakening, they seem quite happy to make her into the hateful stereotype of what people see her as.

Seriously, f*ck that!

I myself, want to see what became of the Ashley Williams who decided to be more trusting of aliens, and who placed the blame for the past accordingly. The one who, without the problems of the past weighing her down so much, was able to not feel obligated to continue to serve the Alliance to a full loyalist degree. Indeed if she had accepted, one hundred percent that the Alliance was to blame for what happened to her family, maybe she'd be more likely to talk back to them. And to have more confidence in herself, without letting her anger about the past continue to annoy her or cause her to be alienated from others.

This version of Ashley could be completely free spirited, and able to go the distance and achieve greatness, without any of her old prejudices holding her back. Comfortably working with members of all races and even befriending them. She could go almost anywhere and do almost anything, rise in the ranks, restore honor to her family and reach the status of hero. Her grudges gone (or at least, no longer misplaced), and no longer any need to be angry or have to fight for what she wants.

Remember, all forms of self improvement begin with someone being able to be happy with themselves. And after Shepard forced her to come to terms with something she had been in denial of, she achieved that. I want to see the strong, heroic and radically more open minded Ashley Williams show up in Mass Effect 3. I want to see her kicking ass and being bold and determined while also remaining compassionate and noble, I want to see her working effectively with other races as equals. Most of all I want this characterization of Ashley to make a great big wall up with a middle finger raised to all the people who just think she's a:
"raseist religos bich!'
To show her as what she always was, a strong passionate woman. One who was flawed in the first game but now in the last part of the trilogy, has worked past the flaws and has now become a better person because of it.
And that the annoying angry whiny racist alien hating god nut is really just a vivid dream that many people share.

Personally, I think that sounds better than her just revealing that no, she really totally was like, 'raseist', this whole time lolz.

So yes, my pick is Ashley. And I want to see her done right, dammit." 

Modifié par V-rex, 12 novembre 2010 - 08:31 .

[VutaatVerd]

Damn V-rex, That is long and I don't think I could agree more with you. The harden we did in ME 1 with Ashley and to just see do a 180 on Horizon was a big...wait massive blow to our faces. Still I have have hope that in ME3 that we can do another 180 on Ashley and return her to a more open minded person once again.



On a Side note I am playing Dragon Age:Origins (never beat) and found Ashley VA in the game. Needless to say I just keep talking to Lanaya who is portaged by Kim Brooks, mostly always thing wow its Ashley in another game, but at last I could keep talking to her. It almost felt like cheating, Next DAO Character I make will look like Shepard and just sit by Lanaya say come back to me Ashley, that should buy me odd time in DAO until ME3.

[Lord Zeuss]

VutaatVerd wrote...

On a Side note I am playing Dragon Age:Origins (never beat) and found Ashley VA in the game. Needless to say I just keep talking to Lanaya who is portaged by Kim Brooks, mostly always thing wow its Ashley in another game, but at last I could keep talking to her. It almost felt like cheating, Next DAO Character I make will look like Shepard and just sit by Lanaya say come back to me Ashley, that should buy me odd time in DAO until ME3.

Heh, I love Lanaya. I could probably listen to Kimberly Brooks reading a verbose legal document on copyright laws.

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 13 novembre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I was playing Mass Effect once while my brother was watching The Big Bang Theory in the TV right next to me. Suddenly I heard Ashley's familiar voice, but since I was playing Mass Effect is took me a while to realize that it actually came from the other screen. Kimberly Brooks had one or two lines as the voice of one of the guy's phones, but it was almost a little freaky for a second, her voice somehow suddenly seemed to be everywhere around me at once.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 novembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I was playing Mass Effect once while my brother was watching The Big Bang Theory in the TV right next to me. Suddenly I heard Ashley's familiar voice, but since I was playing Mass Effect is took me a while to realize that it actually came from the other screen. Kimberly Brooks had one or two lines as the voice of one of the guy's phones, but it was almost a little freaky for a second, her voice somehow suddenly seemed to be everywhere around me at once.

She also did some voicing in the Avatar game.

[Elite Midget]

All they got was the initial conversation on the Normandy than they ignored her.

Or they're like the Action Junkies who didn't talk to their crew outside missions and are wondering why Wrex was killed by Ashley.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 14 novembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I was playing Mass Effect once while my brother was watching The Big Bang Theory in the TV right next to me. Suddenly I heard Ashley's familiar voice, but since I was playing Mass Effect is took me a while to realize that it actually came from the other screen. Kimberly Brooks had one or two lines as the voice of one of the guy's phones, but it was almost a little freaky for a second, her voice somehow suddenly seemed to be everywhere around me at once.

She also did some voicing in the Avatar game.

I never played it but I remember that I did notice her voice in a clip of it I saw.

Much like Jennifer Hale after the first Kotor game, I started noticing Kimberly Brooks almost everywhere, it seemed, after Mass Effect. Most notably in one level of Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. I played that game before Mass Effefct 1 and when I went back and saw it again I was a little shocked to hear her and suddenly make the connection in all of the exact same parts as I remember despite the fact that I wouldn't have noticer her before. Ironically in that game she pretty much  played an actual relgious zealot.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 novembre 2010 - 03:32 .

[Funkcase]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I was playing Mass Effect once while my brother was watching The Big Bang Theory in the TV right next to me. Suddenly I heard Ashley's familiar voice, but since I was playing Mass Effect is took me a while to realize that it actually came from the other screen. Kimberly Brooks had one or two lines as the voice of one of the guy's phones, but it was almost a little freaky for a second, her voice somehow suddenly seemed to be everywhere around me at once.

She also did some voicing in the Avatar game.

I never played it but I remember that I did notice her voice in a clip of it I saw.

Much like Jennifer Hale after the first Kotor game, I started noticing Kimberly Brooks almost everywhere, it seemed, after Mass Effect. Most notably in one level of Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. I played that game before Mass Effefct 1 and when I went back and saw it again I was a little shocked to hear her and suddenly make the connection in all of the exact same parts as I remember despite the fact that I wouldn't have noticer her before. Ironically in that game she pretty much  played an actual relgious zealot.

Lol.

She has been in alot, she was in Batman: Arkham asylum and she is in the new Batman game Batman: Akham city, she was also the Batwomen in the Batman cartoon. She was in Dragon age, No more heroes, and she has done loads of Additional voices on games, she was even in Kotor as a random npc.

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 novembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Chignon]

Just thought you might appreciate this:



The artist is silentkyrie on dA.

[Funkcase]

Chignon wrote...

Just thought you might appreciate this:



The artist is silentkyrie on dA.

Wow, that is awsome!   Thank you for sharing

[ADLegend21]

Chignon wrote...

Just thought you might appreciate this:



The artist is silentkyrie on dA.

that's amazing.

[VutaatVerd]

Chignon wrote...

Just thought you might appreciate this:



The artist is silentkyrie on dA.

Yea this is done by TeenZombie here on the Forums, (Kaidan Supporter/ VS) She sent me a message today that she completed  my drawing request.

Those that remeber about a month or so ago we were talking about some type of Date with Ashley and Shepard (or something to do with a DLC Meeting) and asked what Ashley might wear.

This art turned out better than I thought, great work TZ.


I hope TZ goes back and adds Shepard in.


*edit*

I am so taking a head shot image to use as an avatar on these forums.

Modifié par VutaatVerd, 15 novembre 2010 - 01:49 .

[syllogi]

VutaatVerd wrote...

I hope TZ goes back and adds Shepard in.

Glad you like it!  I do think it would be more complete with Shepard in the picture, she's posed to be looking over her shoulder at him, and it would complete the picture.  I just worry about drawing guys in my style, I tend to have a "soft" approach that makes them look a little...feminine? I guess...and that wouldn't be a good look for Sheploo.  One of these days I'll get the hang of it.  But hopefully people enjoy my Ashley drawings, I definitely enjoy drawing her.

[Elite Midget]

Great, there's another ignorant thread stateing that Ashley is racist...



Funny how Aliens, like Mordin, get a free pass when they believe Krogan as Warmongering Idiots that must be neutered on a constant basis. Or how they ignore TIM and believe that Ashley is somehow a racist compared to TIM and his organization.

[V-rex]

Chignon wrote...

Just thought you might appreciate this:



The artist is silentkyrie on dA.

Now that's something I love to see when I click on this thread, thanks a million!!

[Fiery Phoenix]

lol, nice one, Chig!