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[Telemachus78]

I think Ash becoming a Spectre is to much out in the media she seems to be on secret assignments. To the extent that TIM doesn't even know what she is doing. So becoming a Spectre is counter productive to what she is doing.

[Johnny Chaos]

Would Ash even want to be a Spectre she'd have to work around alot of aliens


question:

i want to carry my Ashkey romance through ME2, can i still have that fling with Kelly

Modifié par Johnny Chaos, 02 décembre 2010 - 08:01 .

[VutaatVerd]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

Would Ash even want to be a Spectre she'd have to work around alot of aliens


question:

i want to carry my Ashkey romance through ME2, can i still have that fling with Kelly

Yes you can have a fling with Kelly if you do not romance any other romances. Please note that this fling is saved in the game files and is possible to have some type of back fire in ME3.



*Edit*

Dinner with Kelly dose not count towards a Romance, so she can feed your fish. Or at least so I have been told.

Modifié par VutaatVerd, 02 décembre 2010 - 08:04 .

[syllogi]

I've been meaning to drop this quote off in this thread for a while, so here is a quote that (hopefully) will put the "Ashley hates aliens" myth to rest.  This is Chris L'Etoile, former Bioware writer, who wrote Ashley, and posts around the web as Stormwaltz, on the Penny Arcade forum Mass Effect thread:

I find it interesting that so many people have stereotyped her as "the racist." At a couple of points she blasts the Terra Firma party as being "bigots," and she openly admires the power of the Destiny Ascension in the Citadel approach cutscene - not quite what you'd expect from a xenophobe.

In her first conversation she spells out her thinking pretty explicitly (the bear and dog metaphor), and it's nothing more than a short paraphrase of the most memorable passage in Charles Pelligrino and George Zebrowski's novel "The Killing Star":

When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:

1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.


2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.


3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.

And it's hard to dispute this. At the least, you could say the krogan live by these rules. It's certainly a more suspicious and pessimistic point of view than most of us are comfortable with. But is it racism, or realism?

Anyway. I fully expected some people write her off as a bigot. What surprises me is that no one's pointed out that her position does have some sense. Evidently, I did something very wrong here.

To answer a question from... I don't know, tens of pages ago, if you romance her and have persuade, you can convince her to be a bit less extreme in her opinions.

Link to post

And there you have the man who wrote the character, telling us what she meant by the bear and dog comment, and her view on aliens.  Realism, not racism.

So there!!!

[Giggles_Manically]

LiamN7 wrote...

Thanks Teen love our friends from the Kaidan camp. : )
I have always loved Ash's attitude. Never cared that other don't. Ash is my favorite.
It was, is , and shall be Ashley.

SO LET IT BE.

[ADLegend21]

That's an Amazing find TZ.that's the only thing Ash haters could have had against her and sow it's obvious that she's not a racist.I knew Ash wasn't racist.

[Funkcase]

Thanls for finding that Teen! Now we can just post that instead of walls of text everytime some idiot calls her racist.
 
I wish Chris L'Etoile didn't leave Bioware  I hope who ever writes Ashleys character in ME3 dosent mess it up, he did some of my favourite parts of ME1 and 2..

Modifié par Funkcase, 02 décembre 2010 - 11:35 .

[Lord Zeuss]

TeenZombie wrote...

I've been meaning to drop this quote off in this thread for a while, so here is a quote that (hopefully) will put the "Ashley hates aliens" myth to rest.  This is Chris L'Etoile, former Bioware writer, who wrote Ashley, and posts around the web as Stormwaltz, on the Penny Arcade forum Mass Effect thread:

I find it interesting that so many people have stereotyped her as "the racist." At a couple of points she blasts the Terra Firma party as being "bigots," and she openly admires the power of the Destiny Ascension in the Citadel approach cutscene - not quite what you'd expect from a xenophobe.

In her first conversation she spells out her thinking pretty explicitly (the bear and dog metaphor), and it's nothing more than a short paraphrase of the most memorable passage in Charles Pelligrino and George Zebrowski's novel "The Killing Star":

When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:

1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.


2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.


3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.

And it's hard to dispute this. At the least, you could say the krogan live by these rules. It's certainly a more suspicious and pessimistic point of view than most of us are comfortable with. But is it racism, or realism?

Anyway. I fully expected some people write her off as a bigot. What surprises me is that no one's pointed out that her position does have some sense. Evidently, I did something very wrong here.

To answer a question from... I don't know, tens of pages ago, if you romance her and have persuade, you can convince her to be a bit less extreme in her opinions.

Link to post

And there you have the man who wrote the character, telling us what she meant by the bear and dog comment, and her view on aliens.  Realism, not racism.

So there!!!

@Vutaat Put this in the OP, stat!

[Telemachus78]

Thanks TZ

Hopefully people will listen to the facts straight from the horses mouth.

[Cypher0020]

Awesome find! Now all the critics can be put to rest. I loved Ash the first time I heard her call my femshep 'Skipper' and I was happy girl...



once I realized she wasn't a romance, I settled for making her my canon's Shep's good friend...doesn't even hold what happened at Horizon against her

[Dean_the_Young]

Telemachus78 wrote...

I think Ash becoming a Spectre is to much out in the media she seems to be on secret assignments. To the extent that TIM doesn't even know what she is doing. So becoming a Spectre is counter productive to what she is doing.

TIM doesn't say he doesn't know what she's doing. TIM simply says her file is surprisingly well classified. It's a lead-in to the assumption on your part that he doesn't know, but that's the sort of lazy thinking that TIM uses as a matter of course.

[Telemachus78]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Telemachus78 wrote...

I think Ash becoming a Spectre is to much out in the media she seems to be on secret assignments. To the extent that TIM doesn't even know what she is doing. So becoming a Spectre is counter productive to what she is doing.

TIM doesn't say he doesn't know what she's doing. TIM simply says her file is surprisingly well classified. It's a lead-in to the assumption on your part that he doesn't know, but that's the sort of lazy thinking that TIM uses as a matter of course.

Thanks, I guess I didn't think that thru.

[V-rex]

Well, just joined the Ashaholics anonymous group on Deviant Art, I figured I was a prime candidate given I could wall of text in her defense with so many words it could fill a modest novel.
I'm Zukan450 on there by the way in case you were wondering...


Also, I too wonder about Ashley's files being confidential, though if that were the case I reckon it's only her activities that would be classified, I'm not really sure how much privellaged information she would be at liberty to.

However it did make me wonder:
As an Operations Chief now, what do you reckon are her new duties?

Going by the name I would assume that she was in charge of field operations which might mean her job requires less front of the lines stuff, but then again it could also mean that she's just the chief in charge of overseeing operations, rather then organizing them herself.

What does everyone else reckon?

EDIT: Also thank you Teen Zombie for dropping off that quote and posting it here, where would we ever be without you?

Modifié par V-rex, 03 décembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Lord Zeuss]

@V-rex Aha! I recognized the lion by his paw!

[Lord_Caledore]

TeenZombie wrote...
And there you have the man who wrote the character, telling us what she meant by the bear and dog comment, and her view on aliens.  Realism, not racism.

So there!!!

Awesome post you linked to. I've always felt this way about Ash, though I lack the eloquence to really put how I feel about her character (and how she's misrepresented by a lot of people) into words.

That post did it for me! 

[Batlass8]

V-rex wrote...
*snip*

As an Operations Chief now, what do you reckon are her new duties?

Going by the name I would assume that she was in charge of field operations which might mean her job requires less front of the lines stuff, but then again it could also mean that she's just the chief in charge of overseeing operations, rather then organizing them herself.

What does everyone else reckon?

EDIT: Also thank you Teen Zombie for dropping off that quote and posting it here, where would we ever be without you?

First off, thank you Teen Zombie.  It's too bad L'Etoile doesn't mean "hero."  Although it does mean "star," which he clearly is.  There is some lovely optimism in here these days


As for the question, I'm very tempted just to say her new duties consist solely of being awesome, but I doubt that that's all of it.  I think it's probably more of a front-line leadership role...second in command to the [wo]man in charge...a bit like it was on the Normandy. Rather than having her own squad (for some reason, I always thought of her as leading the 212) she's in charge of helping oversee several squads?  Am I making sense?

[Telemachus78]

Batlass8 wrote...

V-rex wrote...
*snip*

As an Operations Chief now, what do you reckon are her new duties?

Going by the name I would assume that she was in charge of field operations which might mean her job requires less front of the lines stuff, but then again it could also mean that she's just the chief in charge of overseeing operations, rather then organizing them herself.

What does everyone else reckon?

EDIT: Also thank you Teen Zombie for dropping off that quote and posting it here, where would we ever be without you?

First off, thank you Teen Zombie.  It's too bad L'Etoile doesn't mean "hero."  Although it does mean "star," which he clearly is.  There is some lovely optimism in here these days


As for the question, I'm very tempted just to say her new duties consist solely of being awesome, but I doubt that that's all of it.  I think it's probably more of a front-line leadership role...second in command to the [wo]man in charge...a bit like it was on the Normandy. Rather than having her own squad (for some reason, I always thought of her as leading the 212) she's in charge of helping oversee several squads?  Am I making sense?

Maybe replace Shepard as an XO on a first Gen frigate and lead the ground team.
Which would be awesome but would be hard for her to be a squadmate in ME3.

[Cypher0020]

Just giving some love for Ash! I restarted my ME2 file and I eagerly and dread Ash's reappearance on Horizon.



My canon Femshep values her friendship deeply.... hell, they went through Eden Prime, Feros, side missions, mutinied for the SR1, Battle of the Citadel...



and Nooooooooooooooooooow you think I'm the traitor??



this hurts me. this hurts my femshep....



isn't that totally OOC on Ash's part? I mean.... after going ALL that.... you would have to know that Shep had humanity's best interests in mind... right... Amirite?



Also... Shep can't send a reply to a Non-LI VS? The computer on the SR2 broke??

[Lord Zeuss]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Just giving some love for Ash! I restarted my ME2 file and I eagerly and dread Ash's reappearance on Horizon.

My canon Femshep values her friendship deeply.... hell, they went through Eden Prime, Feros, side missions, mutinied for the SR1, Battle of the Citadel...

and Nooooooooooooooooooow you think I'm the traitor??

this hurts me. this hurts my femshep....

isn't that totally OOC on Ash's part? I mean.... after going ALL that.... you would have to know that Shep had humanity's best interests in mind... right... Amirite?

Also... Shep can't send a reply to a Non-LI VS? The computer on the SR2 broke??

Ah, we have this discussion on a pretty regular basis. Verbose debates of this topic can be readily found by clicking back a few pages; it crops up probably every four or five pages (Edit: Page 192), so I'll be succinct. Basically, yes, Ashley does overreact, but considering how poorly Shep explains and the magnitude of the moment, when one puts oneself in Ashley's shoes it can be entirely understandable.

And actually, you can't send replies to *anyone*!<_<

I feel like I've seen you around, Cypher. Welcome to the Ash thread!

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 04 décembre 2010 - 02:39 .

[V-rex]

I heard the stupidest comment in regards to the Ashley/Wrex on Virmire topic on youtube, basically he said that Ashley was like a 'racist cop who shoots a black guy for 'looking suspicious'.

I just love the logic, or lack thereof, in this context. Because I think when someone is pointing a gun directly at someone's face, and has refused to be talked down and is now talking to them (gun still raised) in an angry and threatening manner... it's a lot more than just 'looking suspicious'.



I know youtube commentors have a notorious lack of intelligence or logic (or personal hygiene) when Ashley Hate starts up but that one just pushes to beyond the realm of the ridiculous.



Also, while I'm here:







I am [i]seriously[/i[ lovin' this picture.

[V-rex]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

@V-rex Aha! I recognized the lion by his paw!

You know, I was wondering if people would recognise my text walling (I assume that's what you meant)

[rma2110]

I think Ash and Kai get a lot of flack for what happened on Horizon. I think their reaction is understandable. They have mourned Shepard for two years and are still in pain when Shepard is suddenly alive and working for Cerberus? The very same Cerberus that we fought against in many a side mission? Let's not forget that Shepard made no effort to contact them.



I understand them lashing out, and the e-mail after kind of made me go awww. Sound like Ash would have been happy to help but if she did not have some mission to attend to. The secrecy around her file makes me thing it's a very important one. Sure my Shepard was hurt, but he can also understand and be patient.

[VutaatVerd]

Hey all,



I have just updated the OP again, we now have the lovely find from TeenZombie about Ashley's Lore/Cannon writer.



Next we have the Ashaholics-Anonymous DA Group created by LordZeuss. (if LZ request for a nice image for the Ashaholics-Anonymous I will replace the text link with a Image like to Ashaholics-Anonymous.)